BM vs Seeker

When it's a duel your talking about, keep em' stun locked. That usually works for "duel".

In terms of QPQ, I've had plenty of seekers go "I thought you weren't going to use HF...so I QPQ'ed your mire ", hence my statement on waste. Trouble is the BMs can still kill you without HF.

Other issues in terms of imbalance Ive noticed is BMs can jump forward and back every 15 seconds, and have 2 run skills outside of HP to catch you. I've never had a Seeker use voidstep on me, not sure its a great idea for them either.

In terms of triple spark and stunning, every damn seeker I've gotten stun on and triple sparked dies quick, regardless of that 50-70 def levels. By the time both stuns run their course I had the seeker dead, and two of the seekers I'm sure had about or more than 7khp. And this was even at 2.5-3.33 sparked back in the day. (Mind you, I havent fought any R9 full JSOD Seekers...)

Really he should be going for stunlock and spikes, run you outta QPQ. If you run, jump and speed catch you and continue spiking. If you go offense, if youre outta QPQ/Genie/On Pot refresh - go for the HF or Stun lock. I've also done a few "Fool you!" with throwing out HF, letting it QPQ, then stun lock DDing them to death. It's a lot of spark pots and genie work, but it works.

Id also be interested to see the performance of purge pole kiting vs seekers, however I still see other methods outlined above being more useful. I can say marrows are iffy vs seekers. I've phys marrowed and that wasn't the best idea in the world.

And this is just my exp from about 40+ duels. Im by far not a pvp expert, the guys from the PVP servers will prolly know better.

Don't ask me how to kill Sins tho, If it's not an R9 gank or a laughable fight where the sin instantly dies a boring death, I dunno.

In a duel?

Triple spark, Occult Ice, DD, Roar of the Pride, DD, Drake's Bash, DD. Seeker will normally be dead at this point if you are 4.0 or 5.0....hell probably even 3.33 sparked....

Hazumi_chan - Sanctuary wrote: »

Wait, wait... QPQ your stun? How am I going to use skills while stunned? Last time I checked a stun... Stuns. So wasting a QPQ on that is... Impossible xD

Also hubby DID stun and try to claw me to dead. But as I said, I got away xD
b:chuckle

Yea I mistyped, I get **** sometimes. I'm thinking Mire, sigh...I'll retype. Im a big fan of opening with mire when I can.

I haven't seen any mention of Edged Blur. With magic damage to any HA/LA in range shouldn't it be a key component of any seeker vs BM fight?

_Perses_ - Lost City wrote: »

You gear makes me cringe >_>........


But here is upgrade order:

Upgrade BOTH your rings, either sky cover or lunar ring, hell even r8 ring would be better >_>

Upgrade to NV Helm to get the set bonus of +5 attk lvls (5% increase to dmg, which is nice)

Upgrade tome to pan gu or Love up and down then get the **** rid of those lionheart ornaments =.=

Upgrade from LA wrist and boots to HA wrist and boots

Upgrade your damn cape to the crafted lunar cape of the trophy lunar cape.


Upgrade chest to either r8 recast or r9.



but this is just my opinion.....based on how much your gear makes me cringe >_>

Unneeded comments...ijs

For a bm its rather hard to aps a seeker to death without a rather decently refined weapon. Get a bit more magic def those are the skills the will most likely use 1st. If they get away from you and you cant stun then you want to get out of their range, kite them till they run after you. But ofc Edge Blur you dont want too get close to and they still can keep you at bay with it and try hitting you with range skills. if you have demon magic marrow and Bell spam them both well help deal with their high magic damage out put. they only have so many range skills so they will have to come close to you sooner or later. hope this helps in your fight bud b:pleased b:laugh

Asgardeus - Sanctuary wrote: »

Hmm my gears do look like that pretty much atm: http://pwcalc.com/80094cb37de89c31
Kinda needs work on all odds and ends x_x Planning to get warsoul helmet next and a lunar ring. Spent all my cash on 5.o and marriage first x'D

I know my hp is kinda low still but ya, I'm working on it b:surrender

As much as anyone can say throw 500m at gearing "jejekeke", it kinda comes down to a few things:

1. Whats your budget?
2. Whats your end game ideal? (Build a PW Calc of it)

With those, its easier to say which to go for and upgrade. Cause you may wanna skip the warsoul helm if you really want a matching hat for your legs for the +5 atk levels. Depends where you want your Mag Def and Attack to end up with rings, etc.

Personally, Im a planner with gear - I try to save up and shop early, watch WC for deals, etc. I've gotten LGIO for 12m (Seen for less sadly...), Frost Weapons for 8m, etc.

Asgardeus - Sanctuary wrote: »

Well _Perses_ is certainly right with what he said. But I'm a f2p player and kind of an altoholic. So ya... I'm slow with making big money b:surrender

As for endgame gears.. I haven't really planned out a calc. But I guess there's one thing I should mention: I didn't go for the evasion ornaments because a friend strongly advised against me it and cause the p def ones also work if I want to get a sin to 100. Can't afford a pan gus yet. ._.
My main problem atm is that I got aps but I'm squishy. lol Next steps I was planning for were the warsoul and a lunar ring to replace my old misty ring. (Kicked the other 3star ring for a band of heavens jail with +6 strength engraved)

I really appreciate your advice guys

Well I can say that I too have been a known altoholic myself (which is why I have a lvl 100 BM on Heaven's Tear along with multiple other characters, then this lvl 101 BM on Lost city, a lvl 100 sin on Lost City, 94 psychic, 71 mystic, 72 cleric, 67 archer, etc... >.>), but the trick is this:

Which character do you love playing the most?

Which character is it that you want to make a top-tier?


If you can figure out which of your characters you want to fulfill on those two requirements then you can decide on your main. For me it turned out to be this BM, so I am currently getting my coin together to upgrade to a pan gu tome, and then upgrade my neck, belt, chest, and wrist/boots.



But yeah, what I listed as upgrades is basically the top-tier for the farming gear side of things. After that you would want to work on getting a full r9 set for a pvp side of things.

Cryatonne - Heavens Tear wrote: »

When you can get your hands on a pan gu or love up and down you'll find magic classes become a whole lot easier. This is my BM's gear I'm aiming for
http://pwcalc.com/8ceb72d7eae6300b
Except I don't have -int tome so I'm using LA orns bonus.

As you can see with just +5 orns and magic marrow you'll be sitting at 8.5kmdef dig deep and +10 you'll have 10.7k mdef w/o cleric buffs.

Seeker's magic attacks won't hurt once you have that kind of magic defence, also use demon drake's bash, it adds a lot of magic damage.

Last note, LA orns > HA orns because when you get pan gu's you can scrap your LA bonus entirely.

The problem with that build though is that while your magic defense is now excellent, your physical defense is fairly lacking for an HA which could open you up to a whole world of hurt if a gemini slash crits on you. I think you need a bit more balance between the two type of defenses than what your build above allows.