Someone on our server lost +12 g15 fists in pk mode
Dinya - Sanctuary
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A full r9 barb lost his +12 g15 fists with x2 drakeflame stones!
He dropped them in pk mode recently x.x
What u think about this?! b:shocked
And what u would do? b:surrender
He dropped them in pk mode recently x.x
What u think about this?! b:shocked
And what u would do? b:surrender
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Rage quit for a few days.
But something like that will never happen to me, because I always have ~400 Guardian Scrolls in my inventory.[SIGPIC]Octavia is best pony[/SIGPIC]
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Who got it the pker or a blue name drop vulture? (Make pk drops to the pker pwi, ty.)Siggy from bellefleurs.
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Sadly it happens, I think its stupid that people drop things in PK, but after a close friend dropped his Warsoul helmet with 3 JoSD's and such, I suppose that is the consequences of PK mode, especially on a PvE server. My friend was only doing blackhole for his OHT daily and someone decided to be a jerk and PKed him and he dropped his helm. Is it fair? No, I don't believe it is, but its a possibility. People can drop even while blue named. Even bound gear too if I remember right.
For the person who dropped, it wasn't just dropping the fists that was bad, but the endless trying to sell them by the person who got them, shoving it endlessly in that poor guy's face that he dropped them, and on top of that promising to return them only to not do so. That is the biggest jerk move, but then my friend also had this happen to him, the person said they'd return it, then asked for coin, then said they'd NPCed his helm, then three days later was selling in WC...
The person who got the fists was a mystic in PK from one of the major TW factions (in sanct we should all know who). The guy was in PK mode, he got ganked at west if I remember correctly. Offered money to get them back, etc. Now in Sanctuary we are spammed all day long by this mystic and their alts trying to sell the fists... its annoying and just gathers more and more sympathy for the poor person who dropped them...0 -
When you enter the pk mode on a CAREBEAR server you have nothing to rage about, we all know the consequences it may lead to, in addition, a +12 barb can`t afford guardian scrolls?
What would I do? I wouldn`t even pk without any precaution, hence all my gear is bound, I`m too cheap for guardian scrolls![SIGPIC]http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=14516063001&dateline=1364756666[/SIGPIC] Ty Silvy
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And that is why you never play on a PvP server or go into PK mode on a PvE one if you don't have a ****load of money to throw at PWI in case of item loss. Another player learned this lesson the hard way it seems. If you people want fair PvP then stop looking for it in cash shop oriented games. Common sense, really.0
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Queelen - Sanctuary wrote: »And that is why you never play on a PvP server or go into PK mode on a PvE one if you don't have a ****load of money to throw at PWI in case of item loss. Another player learned this lesson the hard way it seems. If you people want fair PvP then stop looking for it in cash shop oriented games. Common sense, really.
Which you dont have, apparently.
Pvp/PK isn't ABOUT cashopping or having a tonload of money. There are enough non-cashshop pk-ers out there.
what will it take fore people to finally drop this calimero "he's bigger and i'm so small, it isn't fair" attitude they have towrds people that have stuff or opportunities they don't.
SHEESH ! *throws hands in the air and walk away*
Ps. on topic btw. +12'd and 2 drakeflames and not binding it or wearing Ga's is just plain stupid.
The person having it now trying to sell it for 800+ mil is even moreso stupid.
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AnimaBlanc - Sanctuary wrote: »Which you dont have, apparently.
Pvp/PK isn't ABOUT cashopping or having a tonload of money. There are enough non-cashshop pk-ers out there.
what will it take fore people to finally drop this calimero "he's bigger and i'm so small, it isn't fair" attitude they have towrds people that have stuff or opportunities they don't.
SHEESH ! *throws hands in the air and walk away*
Ps. on topic btw. +12'd and 2 drakeflames and not binding it or wearing Ga's is just plain stupid.
The person having it now trying to sell it for 800+ mil is even moreso stupid.
/endrant *huffs*
Of course it isn't. Not at all. People keep charging money and paying for cash shop items because they do not benefit from it at all in PvE and PvP. Actually, the more they charge the more they will suck. They're all just masochists.
This isn't about who's bigger and stronger. No, the law of PvP would dictate that the stronger and the one with more skill gets to buttf*ck everyone else. That would be perfectly fair, the more time and energy you spent on it, the better you will be compared to those who didn't do the same thing. In this game it's the one with thicker wallet that gets to dominate. Yes, the one holding the wallet can still have skill and not play as a brain dead chimpanzee with down syndrome BUT those who can't compete with the amount of cash others spend on gear, charms, protection will be left in the dust no matter how skilled they are.
Even if you know the mechanic of this game like the back of your hand it still takes you months or years to get a full +10-11-12 gearset of the more valuable ones while those that can fund their gearing from the outside will just wipe out a credit card, sell the gold, buy molds, mats and whatever is needed then craft and upgrade. Or just the buy the gear/wep directly. And to make sure no one will ever have the chance to steal those things by defeating them in PK, they buy like 500 angels. A luxury that not every PvPer can afford just by playing, especially not at such large quantity.
Fair and meaningful PvP would mean everyone has to work/fight with what they can obtain by playing the game and being good at it. You can defend your case all you want, there's no use denying the fact that paying gives you advantages. And not just cosmetics or insignificant advantages.
That being said I'm sorry for that Barb's loss but if you're itching to fight with fellow player so much in this game then bound everything or farm enough money to buy a huge amount of angels. Otherwise, don't bother. Not worth it.0 -
Queelen - Sanctuary wrote: »Of course it isn't. Not at all. People keep charging money and paying for cash shop items because they do not benefit from it at all in PvE and PvP. Actually, the more they charge the more they will suck. They're all just masochists.
This isn't about who's bigger and stronger. No, the law of PvP would dictate that the stronger and the one with more skill gets to buttf*ck everyone else. That would be perfectly fair, the more time and energy you spent on it, the better you will be compared to those who didn't do the same thing. In this game it's the one with thicker wallet that gets to dominate. Yes, the one holding the wallet can still have skill and not play as a brain dead chimpanzee with down syndrome BUT those who can't compete with the amount of cash others spend on gear, charms, protection will be left in the dust no matter how skilled they are.
Even if you know the mechanic of this game like the back of your hand it still takes you months or years to get a full +10-11-12 gearset of the more valuable ones while those that can fund their gearing from the outside will just wipe out a credit card, sell the gold, buy molds, mats and whatever is needed then craft and upgrade. Or just the buy the gear/wep directly. And to make sure no one will ever have the chance to steal those things by defeating them in PK, they buy like 500 angels. A luxury that not every PvPer can afford just by playing, especially not at such large quantity.
Fair and meaningful PvP would mean everyone has to work/fight with what they can obtain by playing the game and being good at it. You can defend your case all you want, there's no use denying the fact that paying gives you advantages. And not just cosmetics or insignificant advantages.
That being said I'm sorry for that Barb's loss but if you're itching to fight with fellow player so much in this game then bound everything or farm enough money to buy a huge amount of angels. Otherwise, don't bother. Not worth it.
I'm not defending anything, i'm moreso just sick and tired of hearing the same old lame **** argument over this cashoppers-are-noobs-with-a-big-fat-wallet QQ.
( and on that a sidenote: it wasn't directed acusingly at you personally/i do agree with your last post to some extent )
Just because my aunt has her own business and can just outright buy a new BMW doesn't make me less of a person, does it ?
suuuuuure it sucks donkey peen, but hey i'm not the one forking out 800+ bucks on a busted rear end tire either. b:pleased
With everything positive 9 outta 10 times comes a disadvantage as well.
You can defend your case all you want as well, doesn't change their spending tho.
it does change your bloodpressure and sanity.All you need is something to believe in. -Solar_one. <-- mah snoockums, mah hubby, mah eberyfing.
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Just verifying - can you drop items if you are blue name on a PvE server, from being killed?
This can be from another player (via Cube) or from mobs.
I'm pretty sure I had it happened to me once, and that I saw it once in TT, but I may have been hallucinating both those times.0 -
Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »Just verifying - can you drop items if you are blue name on a PvE server, from being killed?
This can be from another player (via Cube) or from mobs.
I'm pretty sure I had it happened to me once, and that I saw it once in TT, but I may have been hallucinating both those times.
Yes you can, I know people who have lost gear being blue named from dying. My first faction leader dropped his ring when he died on my FB 39 ages ago. Luckily it was picked up and returned by myself who happened to get it. But yes, its been confirmed in the past that even blue named, you can in fact drop something, its a really low chance but it can happen and has happened.0 -
Atlantasia - Sanctuary wrote: »Yes you can, I know people who have lost gear being blue named from dying. My first faction leader dropped his ring when he died on my FB 39 ages ago. Luckily it was picked up and returned by myself who happened to get it. But yes, its been confirmed in the past that even blue named, you can in fact drop something, its a really low chance but it can happen and has happened.
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AnimaBlanc - Sanctuary wrote: »I'm not defending anything, i'm moreso just sick and tired of hearing the same old lame **** argument over this cashoppers-are-noobs-with-a-big-fat-wallet QQ.
( and on that a sidenote: it wasn't directed acusingly at you personally/i do agree with your last post to some extent )
Just because my aunt has her own business and can just outright buy a new BMW doesn't make me less of a person, does it ?
suuuuuure it sucks donkey peen, but hey i'm not the one forking out 800+ bucks on a busted rear end tire either. b:pleased
With everything positive 9 outta 10 times comes a disadvantage as well.
You can defend your case all you want as well, doesn't change their spending tho.
it does change your bloodpressure and sanity.
Oh, no. There might be misunderstanding there. I don't condemn people who have it good IRL. I don't know and I don't care if they deserved it/earned it and it's not my place to judge what they do with it either. For all I care rich folk could dump their money in an African river, next to a group of starving tribesmen. An extreme example but you get my drift.
No, what I was talking about should only be applied to in-game. People play games to have a place where they can feel that skill and dedication makes you stand out just as much as money as opposed to what you experience in reality. So when games go over-board with cash shops like PWI and make it possible for the rich customers to basically buy themselves to end-game with top-quality items, it's not too suprising that those who can't spend that much and can't catch up with the rich by skill and dedication alone will either quit the game or whine everywhere abot it. I don't like it either but I understand where they come from. It's just kind of useless to complain about it because the company obviously won't opt for a more user friendly but less income bringing solution.
I know it won't change their spending. It was not my intention to QQ with my original post, it was more of an assesment of the obvious. One can either accept the rules and try to rise in ranks despite the uneven playing field or one can quit. It dosen't annoy or anger me, especially that I uninstalled the game recently. I brought up two character to a decent level years ago and this one was my third but it became tiresome without spending more money on it then I would on a pay2play game and even then not sharing equal chances. If there's one who could we point our fingers at then that's PWI's management and not the cash shopper. Paying customers use what is given to them through that shop. It's the company who didn't think certain things through and started giving too much to them, creating a huge imbalance and gap between the "common" and "elit".
PS.: Thank your for reacting in a mature way to my posts. It is rare to see that on this forum. People see flaming and trolling where there's none all the time for some odd reason.0 -
AnimaBlanc - Sanctuary wrote: »
Ps. on topic btw. +12'd and 2 drakeflames and not binding it or wearing Ga's is just plain stupid.
The person having it now trying to sell it for 800+ mil is even moreso stupid.
/endrant *huffs*
With like the best extra stats you could get it is worth more then 800mil so don't say it's a stupid price b:bye0 -
Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary wrote: »If it indeed happens then it`s a lower chance than getting 2 scroll or tomes in a row from packs.
If I remember right, it's a .0001% chance to drop blue named. I myself have dropped my tome while trying to solo FCC before. Luckily I was able to go back and quickly grab it.0 -
It's his fault for dropping the fists. The person taking and reselling the fists is not a jerk, it's normal. He couldn't expect to get his stuff back either if he dropped it. Giving PK drops back it either an act of pure generousity or stupidity depending on the point of view. If you don't want to drop take scrolls, especially if you are rich enough for that kind of weapon... And ESPECIALLY if you use that kind of unbound gear. No sympathy for the person who dropped, gratz to the person who got it (If it wasn't a blue named vulture)."Of course you should fight fire with fire. You should fight everything with fire."
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FkinMaltaMan - Sanctuary wrote: »With like the best extra stats you could get it is worth more then 800mil so don't say it's a stupid price b:bye
TBH I think that the 3% crit is a little lame. I don't care for the adds myself.Changes are inevitable, Conform or be Left behind. ^_^0 -
well eermh.. yeh.. life sucks .-. ?
There's safety lock, there's binding charms and there's guardian scrolls. 3 options.
so yeps.. tough luck.
Personally if I was bluenamed and picked it up I would give it back, if I was whitenamed and I pk'd that person, too bad. b:surrender[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Queelen - Sanctuary wrote: »Of course it isn't. Not at all. People keep charging money and paying for cash shop items because they do not benefit from it at all in PvE and PvP. Actually, the more they charge the more they will suck. They're all just masochists.
This isn't about who's bigger and stronger. No, the law of PvP would dictate that the stronger and the one with more skill gets to buttf*ck everyone else. That would be perfectly fair, the more time and energy you spent on it, the better you will be compared to those who didn't do the same thing. In this game it's the one with thicker wallet that gets to dominate. Yes, the one holding the wallet can still have skill and not play as a brain dead chimpanzee with down syndrome BUT those who can't compete with the amount of cash others spend on gear, charms, protection will be left in the dust no matter how skilled they are.
Even if you know the mechanic of this game like the back of your hand it still takes you months or years to get a full +10-11-12 gearset of the more valuable ones while those that can fund their gearing from the outside will just wipe out a credit card, sell the gold, buy molds, mats and whatever is needed then craft and upgrade. Or just the buy the gear/wep directly. And to make sure no one will ever have the chance to steal those things by defeating them in PK, they buy like 500 angels. A luxury that not every PvPer can afford just by playing, especially not at such large quantity.
Fair and meaningful PvP would mean everyone has to work/fight with what they can obtain by playing the game and being good at it. You can defend your case all you want, there's no use denying the fact that paying gives you advantages. And not just cosmetics or insignificant advantages.
That being said I'm sorry for that Barb's loss but if you're itching to fight with fellow player so much in this game then bound everything or farm enough money to buy a huge amount of angels. Otherwise, don't bother. Not worth it.
sure but you have to nurf and balnce all classes so all classes can self farm everything without giving sin bm and any aps the bigger advantage.
if aps isnt brain dead i am not sure what you drink but pve is silly really.
so before you tell ppl to not cash up there gear think before you speak.
i am a vit build barb useless as hell but good enough i have visa and little why
little i goten my r9 to +10 cos this game dont let me farm and i do not wana become a aps chimpanse.
so if you can tell a vit barb how he can be equal as a 5aps sin who can farm and play for free i sure would love to hear it and i wouldent mind cash shopping atherwise shuush cos ur not helping.0 -
Returning dropped items is a common courtesy that people choose to do but are not obligated to do. Anyone in pk mode should use scrolls or bind gear. It never good to drop anything you put effort, time and money into but that is how the game mechanics work after all and anyone who pk's should know this. Automatically assuming that someone will return an item or even expecting them too isnt a good idea at all.0
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Atlantasia - Sanctuary wrote: »People can drop even while blue named.
Nope. This got fixed years ago.
And...Atlantasia - Sanctuary wrote: »Even bound gear too if I remember right.
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Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »Just verifying - can you drop items if you are blue name on a PvE server, from being killed?
This can be from another player (via Cube) or from mobs.
I'm pretty sure I had it happened to me once, and that I saw it once in TT, but I may have been hallucinating both those times.
You have a 1% chance to drop an item from your inventory when you die. (from pve*)0 -
Its not a matter of expecting them to. I don't PK for that specific reason and that is why I bound my lunar weapon long ago when I was in PK. I think its more people are disgusted with the constant WC drama and gossip over it, and it doesn't help that this person is constantly WCing on their toon and alts (like it could be anyone else) to sell the item. There's basically a ton of rumors about it and without SS's I don't know which is true. Basically ones about money being given for the items return then the item not being returned. I'm not judging, one of my ex husband's kept a Love Up and Down that dropped in PK. PK drops happen, sometimes people get careless, sometimes the system glitches, for whatever reason. Its a shame, but oh well. Life moves on. Don't like it, don't PK
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if you pk with safety lock on with timer running it should not drop.0
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Blue named... can't drop things. IF something drops, submit a ticket.
White named (or some level of red named) ... WITH GS or BOUND ITEMS cannot drop. If something drops, submit a ticket.
Back on subject:: If you are PKing... don't be stupid, or don't get mad. To the person selling it, that is 100% their decision. We could argue the morality of their actions, but I have come to realize gamers don't really submit to a standard of morality in game !0 -
If I was the PKer, and I had gotten the fists, it would come down to a few things.
1) Is the person who dropped the fists an *******? If yes, then I'd most certainly not just give them back. If they're just a minor ***, I'd sell them back for a small fee, like 1m or 10m or something. If they're a massive ***, I'd catshop them for their actual value. If it was a scammer, someone who could never be trusted, or something like that, I might even NPC them.
2) If they aren't an *******, but belong to a faction of *******s, and their faction starts to harass me, I would simply bind them to myself, and tell them all to d i a f.
3) If they aren't an *******, and belong to a faction that isn't *******s, I'd probably give them back. There would be much teasing on WC. This person would probably be my slave for a while, and I'd have to buy a Pet Collar from MrsZoologist...101 Sage Sin*/Archer
100 Demon BM*/Barb
96 Demon Cleric/Sage Seeker
95 Demon Wiz/
94 Sage Veno
85 Psy/80 Mystic
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Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary wrote: »When you enter the pk mode on a CAREBEAR server you have nothing to rage about
Fuzzy is a bit confused by this statement...
Does that mean that if you drop such an item on a PVP server you DO have something to rage about? b:question0 -
I know many already discussed this, but after searching for a while to find a post to reference, I was able to find this one regarding blue-named players dropping items. Eatwithspoons describes it here (3rd question from the bottom):
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Fuzzy is a bit confused by this statement...
Does that mean that if you drop such an item on a PVP server you DO have something to rage about? b:question
You already choose to be pked as soon as you go to a PVP server, people know the consequences so raging is kinda pointless there but it still happens, no1 likes to loose stuff![SIGPIC]http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=14516063001&dateline=1364756666[/SIGPIC] Ty Silvy0 -
Queelen - Sanctuary wrote: »Oh, no. There might be misunderstanding there. I don't condemn people who have it good IRL. I don't know and I don't care if they deserved it/earned it and it's not my place to judge what they do with it either. For all I care rich folk could dump their money in an African river, next to a group of starving tribesmen. An extreme example but you get my drift..
Thing is, i'm making a comparison. i think were pretty much on the same wavelength just on a different approach.Queelen - Sanctuary wrote: »No, what I was talking about should only be applied to in-game. People play games to have a place where they can feel that skill and dedication makes you stand out just as much as money as opposed to what you experience in reality. So when games go over-board with cash shops like PWI and make it possible for the rich customers to basically buy themselves to end-game with top-quality items, it's not too suprising that those who can't spend that much and can't catch up with the rich by skill and dedication alone will either quit the game or whine everywhere abot it. I don't like it either but I understand where they come from. It's just kind of useless to complain about it because the company obviously won't opt for a more user friendly but less income bringing solution.
Whether or not it's game=/=real life the same approach applies, imho.
People with money will always go overboard, may it be in a game or in real life.
that's where my comparison is concerned. bigger spending = bigger upkeep = more loss when broken or lost.
Alot of money + buying outright from shop = to either prove yourself and in this case lose valuable items in PK = a bigger loss
V.s
alot of money + a BMW = bigger repairbill when things go broken = more hassle to keep said car a whole a.k.a more hassle = more loss on your money when it does break
the only thing that differs is the situation.Queelen - Sanctuary wrote: »I know it won't change their spending. It was not my intention to QQ with my original post, it was more of an assesment of the obvious. One can either accept the rules and try to rise in ranks despite the uneven playing field or one can quit. It dosen't annoy or anger me, especially that I uninstalled the game recently. I brought up two character to a decent level years ago and this one was my third but it became tiresome without spending more money on it then I would on a pay2play game and even then not sharing equal chances. If there's one who could we point our fingers at then that's PWI's management and not the cash shopper. Paying customers use what is given to them through that shop. It's the company who didn't think certain things through and started giving too much to them, creating a huge imbalance and gap between the "common" and "elit".
And that gap will always be there in -any- way.
gifted kids to to a school for the gifted when it's a natural born talent you either got it or you dont.
Your superiour and executives will always get paid more than you do simply because they went to a better school than you did and got a degree.
^^ the comparison is pretty equal
Like i said, it's all in the approach. I dont have the money to buy R9/nirvana/BMW but i also dont have the upkeep of it or chance of losing something valuable.
My first post to you was a hissy fit b:surrender you'll have to excuse me on the fact .. that uhm... yeah.Queelen - Sanctuary wrote: »PS.: Thank your for reacting in a mature way to my posts. It is rare to see that on this forum. People see flaming and trolling where there's none all the time for some odd reason.FkinMaltaMan - Sanctuary wrote: »With like the best extra stats you could get it is worth more then 800mil so don't say it's a stupid price b:bye
It is for something you "picked up" and you already got told by half of WC to just take the original owner's offer of 250m.
no one would buy such a thing off the bat. cause their still advertising it.
b:bye
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Personally I think there should be some worthwhile benefits / consequences to PVP that doesn't involve losing hundreds of dollars worth of hard-worked items.
Suppose there was no safety lock and no guardian scrolls, would people still enjoy PK?
PKing in this game is like driving a car with a metal spike embedded in the steering wheel and the safety belt takes money to operate. If you forget to deposit money in the safety belt there is no warning about it either and you only find out you have no protection when you crash.
As it is implemented right now, item drop is a tax on the poor and anyone who makes a small mistake of forgetting their SL timer or leaving GS in the bank. A lot of people are avoiding item drop completely and PK without consequences but there shouldn't be such a tax on people who make a mistake that anyone can make.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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