Lack of Help

Anyone who needs it will be sure to join and those who don't are either too low level or too busy farming TT/Nirvana ; doing plvl frosts or opening pax

P.S : Starting a QQ thread won't make people less greedy and make them think about helping others.

bearyflair wrote: »

DDs have no problems helping and doing stuff for free, but most Tanks and Clerics refuse to help if there's no money involed for helping. .

You do realize that tanks/healers usually have higher costs than DDs, right?
Also, look at the balance of classes. There's 2 healers, 2 tanks. And 6 DD classes. A lot of people don't like taking responsibilty so they roll a DD.

I got both, a high level tank and cleric. I help my friends out. Because well, it goes both ways. Often I have helped a random squad out, and not even gotten a thanks.
Yes, I feel sorry for the people that have to shout for ages but sometimes I'm just so sick of having to learn people their class. I don't blame people for not rolling a class with the hardest role in squad. You need a thick skin to take some stuff. Not everyones kind of thing.

I guess it's up to everyone themselves. And there's lots of reasons why you maybe can't find someone.

bearyflair wrote: »

I've noticed that it's becoming more and more difficult to get help from Tanks and Clerics for various things such as BHs and Chrono quests. Seriously, when ppl need to post in WC over 10 times to get a Tank and/or Cleric for BH, then there's a problem. Seems to me that all those who aren't in a big faction or don't know ppl won't get any help ever. I don't know if this is an issue that's only on the Sanctuary server or if other servers also see this kind of problem when trying to get ppl.

How are we supposed to get BH or Chrono done if we're missing a Tank and/or a Cleric to get it done? DDs have no problems helping and doing stuff for free, but most Tanks and Clerics refuse to help if there's no money involed for helping. Greed is what is breaking this game, not the GMs or Devs. Stop being greedy and help those in need of help, then everyone will want to help more, you'll all get this feeling of having done something nice for a random person.

You need a good guild... and you need a core group of friends that are online at the same hours. This is called a 'Fixed Squad'.

You all make a pact to work together, decide how you are going to split costs and mats and ... go from there. Decide things as a team and vote.

In most cases, these are more helpful than a regular guild.

bearyflair wrote: »

I've noticed that it's becoming more and more difficult to get help from Tanks and Clerics for various things such as BHs and Chrono quests. Seriously, when ppl need to post in WC over 10 times to get a Tank and/or Cleric for BH, then there's a problem. Seems to me that all those who aren't in a big faction or don't know ppl won't get any help ever. I don't know if this is an issue that's only on the Sanctuary server or if other servers also see this kind of problem when trying to get ppl.

How are we supposed to get BH or Chrono done if we're missing a Tank and/or a Cleric to get it done? DDs have no problems helping and doing stuff for free, but most Tanks and Clerics refuse to help if there's no money involed for helping. Greed is what is breaking this game, not the GMs or Devs. Stop being greedy and help those in need of help, then everyone will want to help more, you'll all get this feeling of having done something nice for a random person.

I was wondering if you are from EU. I take it that you immediately made this thread at 10: 47 AM after having tried your hardest to find a squad for the things you were looking for. At 10: 45 AM (about an hour ago), a majority of the people from the USA playing this game are either at work/class/school. So, maybe you can try it again at a different time? If it's Chrono bosses that you need (excluding TT 3-2/3 ones), then maybe I can help you in game if you pm me

when i say ill help on my DD, pple look at me funny and telling me im cheaping out.

@TE

Isn't it greedy too, to expect a random Barb and Cleric you never seen before help you out with your Crono Quest even tough they dont need it ? It cost them Time , tick their charms , decay their armor and the return is small and ofc good stuff that drop goes to you.

They could have helped people they know in that time or farm someting for themself. If you dont like how it is, roll a cleric or barb, take responsibility, do it better!

From my perspective , im idle and bored so often because at my level nobody really need a cleric, ofc its nice to have and they love the buffs an alt can supply but apart from that dd > Mystic > Cleric so gtfo Manostra and play with someone else.

Last time i helped someone at BH NPC with his bh 39 it took him 40 minutes to arrive because he said he is broke and flyed from archosaur to the dungeon and went afk inbetween. I killed his bosses and he seriously wanted me to wait every time to turn in a boss and fly to archo and back b:sad. I gave him 50k and told him to teleport. A mold dropped and he wanted it, i gave it too. After this a

ok
bye
XXXXX leaved the squad

Not even a ****ing thanks

If you had a few of this persons you will most likely not too enthusiastic to help out random low level strangers

bearyflair wrote: »

DDs have no problems helping and doing stuff for free, but most Tanks and Clerics refuse to help if there's no money involed for helping. Greed is what is breaking this game, not the GMs or Devs.

b:chuckle

It amazes me that after over a decade of, "QQ! I'm one of the 1-million DDs playing the game because I didn't want to be a Tank or Healer either, and I can't get help from the few Tanks and Healers that chose to play the non-popular roles! Why are they so selfish?!?" in virtually every MMORPG, people still don't get it.

If you want a detailed answer, look here.

The tl;dr version is: stop crying about the inevitable consequences of choosing the role you chose.

SylenThunder - Sanctuary wrote: »

I play a Cleric, a Barb, a Veno, and a Seeker. All are decently leveled and do chrono quests and all of the BH's.

It is very rare that I ever go on a random squad that is outside of my circle of friends or faction.

Why?
Because I do not deal well with people that don't have a freaking clue about how to play their class or the mechanics of the game when they are already past level 90.

Currently this seems to account for about 80% of the population that I don't personally know, and some that I do.

I'm not going to waste my time and money on a clueless squad, even when I do training runs.

Fintan - Lost City wrote: »

I'll chime in with the other clerics in this thread: Playing a "support class" isn't cheap, and is very thankless. In fact, it's so thankless that quite often, we'll spend hours helping other people and when it finally comes time that the squad is obligated to fulfill their promise to help you with what you need, suddenly they're all needing to be elsewhere or take care of IRL concerns (such as sleep, even at 7PM their time...).

Is it any wonder that when even people we know do this, we really REALLY don't want to be doing jack for random people we've never heard of? Yes, playing a cleric is inherently selfless to a degree. No, that doesn't mean that you can't put your foot down and do what you need to in order to get what you need done. Even if that means rolling a DD and not playing a cleric to get the point across (and so you can make the coin to play the cleric more easily... b:shutup)...

I've actually been in all-cleric squads for things in the past because we all need whatever and there are no DDs. If you wanna see some aggro ping-pong... b:chuckle

Exactly. You guys hit it on the nail right there. Maybe if people showed more gratitude for the hard work that the support classes put in, and helped with the costs that is involved in being that good.

If there's no real reward for helping random groups, and no one bothers to really recognise them for their efforts, why the hell should they do anything to support you?

I'm also with Sylen on the whole noob players bit. I know that hyper-leveling isn't all that bad for pleople that already know how to play and take the time to learn a class. The problem is that there's just way too many that don't.

bearyflair wrote: »

How are we supposed to get BH or Chrono done if we're missing a Tank and/or a Cleric to get it done? DDs have no problems helping and doing stuff for free, but most Tanks and Clerics refuse to help if there's no money involed for helping. Greed is what is breaking this game, not the GMs or Devs. Stop being greedy and help those in need of help, then everyone will want to help more, you'll all get this feeling of having done something nice for a random person.

I'll help my friends all day long for free. If you're not my friend, chances are no amount of money will entice me to deal with the BS that comes from dealing with random squads.

Make friends.

Okay Ill throw my two bits in....

I joined a high level guild recently after I was recommended. I initially thought that me being 95 would still give me something in common with the other members, but the next lowest member was 100 and we are worlds apart. I've since quit as I never had one thing to do that any of them needed. (To any of that guild reading, there are no hard feelings whatsoever and no-one ever did me wrong - there was just simply no overlap)

Now I find myself soloing again, and reasonably broke. So over to your question. You would now like me to help you get things done yeah. Fair enough. There are hundreds of people needing clerics. Why do I choose you to help. Or should I sit in the centre of arch and help the neverending pm'ers for bh39 through 89? Or of course, continous requests for culti and bosses?

The answer is, for the moment, I'm not. The only thing that I strive for now is to get my Nirvana gear, which means I need to be 100, which means I need to do FC. I loathe to do FC cause I die the most and it costs me money. (Notwithstanding "Van_H......" the barb asking for a cleric. You know who you are - Ill run fc with you endlessly - a real pro).

Theres a char whos name starts with Z - sorry I cant remember. He doesnt **** around. He wc's once usually for 'cleric and barb to help open tt - 100k each" and as you can imagine he doesnt have to wait long.

My suggestion - you want help, give them an incentive. Understand that especially for clerics, doing quests and **** sucks - grinding sucks - and simply helping everyone else costs money for no gain. You choose how to balance that out when you need a cleric and you'll get all the help you need. Remember I want to level too......