PWI becoming pay to play?

Nirri - Archosaur
Nirri - Archosaur Posts: 16 Arc User
edited December 2011 in General Discussion
I heard from someone that Perfect world has become or is becoming a pay to play game, May i please get a confirmation or denial on this rumor?


~~ Thank you for all the people who answered, i appreciate it and sorry if i mislead anyone, it was not my intention. Now i am under the understanding that PWI is NOT a P2P game and nor will it be, thank you. :)
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  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    It's not P2P nor becoming that way.

    Just that Cash Shoppers have a major advantage over those who don't cash shop unless you're a skilled merchant. Hence, the current label of, "Free to play. Pay to win."
  • Decus - Dreamweaver
    Decus - Dreamweaver Posts: 5,033 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    I took your title to be "Is PWI greater than a pay to play game?"

    Now I feel silly b:shutup
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  • TolanSky - Heavens Tear
    TolanSky - Heavens Tear Posts: 598 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I took your title to be "Is PWI greater than a pay to play game?"

    Now I feel silly b:shutup

    yeah the title of this thread is a tad bit misleading... perhaps if it were "PWI => P2P" or "is PWI becoming P2P" or something like that?
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  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I took your title to be "Is PWI greater than a pay to play game?"

    Clearly, the answer is false.


    NEXT! b:chuckle
  • SashaGray - Heavens Tear
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,765 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    Nirri - Archosaur wrote: »
    I heard from someone that Perfect world has become or is becoming a pay to play game, May i please get a confirmation or denial on this rumor?

    if they went P2P they would lose a ton of money. would be like if casinos charged admission and let you play for free.
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  • X_Rays - Sanctuary
    X_Rays - Sanctuary Posts: 198 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    if they went P2P they would lose a ton of money. would be like if casinos charged admission and let you play for free.

    I like this casino analogy: The more you pay, the more chance you have to win! Pay2Win b:laugh
  • Shadowphreak - Lost City
    Shadowphreak - Lost City Posts: 151 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    Nirri - Archosaur wrote: »
    I heard from someone that Perfect world has become or is becoming a pay to play game, May i please get a confirmation or denial on this rumor?

    Not true at all. PWI is one of the few (or any probably) of F2P games where you can get almost everything from the game that you can buy in the store. If there is something you want in the store, you can exchange coin in game for gold.

    It's awesome :)
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  • Lazengan - Lost City
    Lazengan - Lost City Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    The game definitely has everything you need to succeed, but it doesn't spoon-feed it to you.
  • Bellarie - Raging Tide
    Bellarie - Raging Tide Posts: 603 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    truekossy wrote: »
    It's not P2P nor becoming that way.

    Just that Cash Shoppers have a major advantage over those who don't cash shop unless you're a skilled merchant. Hence, the current label of, "Free to play. Pay to win."

    More like "Free to try, pay or spend 10 hours a day merchanting/grinding to play" Because IMO, "playing" something would entail actually getting enjoyment out of it, and having fun. I "play" things for fun, and spending 10 hours a day merchanting or grinding is not fun to me. The constant addition of more and more coin sinks that hurt only the poor doesn't make it any easier.

    Of course, this is why I do my best to find enjoyment out of little things in the game.
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  • Devoted - Lost City
    Devoted - Lost City Posts: 3,634 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    if they went P2P they would lose a ton of money. would be like if casinos charged admission and let you play for free.

    Simply because the way the game is now it attracts a small number of people willing to pay a large amount of money. If the game was balanced, the devs trustworthy in the slightest way and actual content was added they wouldn't lose as much money. But why do that when you can just release a new game and follow the same beat it till it's dead model?
  • SirChad - Raging Tide
    SirChad - Raging Tide Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    Since the TB expansion PWI is Pay2Win. But Pay2Play? No.

    Though to be able to farm... you need to have good enough gears to do so... Most squads wont take a average geared player. But to get the good gears you need to farm them. A vicious cycle there. Which is why MOST players on PWI do cash shop.

    So in all fairness... you don't HAVE to pay. If you wish to be anyone in the game though. You do.

    I know people under me will post "I'm 5 aps/105. I didn't pay any real money!" They probably did ijs.

    Some people pay over another account so it looks like they didn't. What the first person to 105 did.
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  • Sarrafeline - Sanctuary
    Sarrafeline - Sanctuary Posts: 4,661 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    Pay to Play means that you put your credit card in and buy the rights to access ANY of the content at all, on a month by month basis. Typically costs $15 a month, some MMO's are $5/month, some are $20/month.

    PWE, however, is Pay to Win. Instead of putting in your credit card to access any content, it simply means you can play for free, but are going to have to spend a ridiculous amount of time farming gear that someone else just stuck their mom's credit card in, charged $2,500, and obtained more-or-less overnight (since, you know, they used an auto-clicker to open the packs, while they were asleep).

    There ARE (alllllmost) TOTALLY free to play MMO's available, and in fact, MMO's that are pretty much what PWI was in 2008 and totally abandoned in 2010, which is, team based, no cash shop gear at all, and requires some kind of skill to get to endgame. The bit in parentheses above comes from some of them requiring a small fee to play longer than a certain amount of time per day, like after 4 or 5 hours, they will boot you if you don't donate a few bucks to their paypal or whatever (then you can play for the rest of the day, but that is optional).

    If you want a polished, engaging, life-wrecking gaming experience, try a Pay to play MMO. If you want an unpolished, enraging, wallet-crushing gaming experience, PWE has several titles from Wanmei that fit that bill quite nicely.
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  • Nirri - Archosaur
    Nirri - Archosaur Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    I was just making sure because i took a short break from PWI and i do not yet know what has or has not been changed. i heard from a friend that it was becoming a P2P and i wanted to have confirmation if it was. i think it would be a bad idea to make it a P2P
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  • SashaGray - Heavens Tear
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,765 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    there is a pay to play version, but its china only
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  • Abstractive - Archosaur
    Abstractive - Archosaur Posts: 1,232 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    Common ~removed~ !!! You can't come any sooner ! Woohoo !!!
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  • MiniDusk - Heavens Tear
    MiniDusk - Heavens Tear Posts: 931 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    You all have it wrong... Didn't you know that it's free to play, pay out the butt to enjoy? b:laugh b:cute
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  • XxAdiciaxx - Sanctuary
    XxAdiciaxx - Sanctuary Posts: 46 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    honestly im not a cashshopper or a merchant by any means but i do ok in game. my toon has decent gear (that was earned with friends), decent refines fashion a nice flyer. i have played for years and remember when gold was 100k and bhs did not exist. in saying this im saying anything i can buy in boutique i can buy with in game coin as well. it's harder but it's not impossible.
  • HadesHound - Raging Tide
    HadesHound - Raging Tide Posts: 357 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    I'll deal with the Pat to Win issue... If I like a game enough and there are certain things I want, and it means dishing out a few greenbacks now and then, thats ok by me. I have a budget I set for myself, and I have learned to not exceed that budget. (sad though that I set the gaming budget pretty high... had I NOT spent any cash, then I would be well on the way to having enough to get a 2nd motorcycle lol)

    Some games I play I know of no way to buy premium stuff for. They are still fun to play.
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  • magicsabre
    magicsabre Posts: 167 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    Bellarie - Raging Tide wrote: »
    More like "Free to try, pay or spend 10 hours a day merchanting/grinding to play" Because IMO, "playing" something would entail actually getting enjoyment out of it, and having fun. I "play" things for fun, and spending 10 hours a day merchanting or grinding is not fun to me. The constant addition of more and more coin sinks that hurt only the poor doesn't make it any easier.

    Of course, this is why I do my best to find enjoyment out of little things in the game.
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    PWI is same pyramid.

    You can enjoy this game as low level player (it is free to play).

    But if you want to fight in squad with elite players (R9, for example) at high level you must to have R9.

    You can't hit as hard as any other player which have even same weapon as you, but with more refine level than refine level of your weapon.
    You can't have more survivability than player with high refined (+12) R9 armor with 4 sockets in each part and best gems available inserted.

    TW, cube and other same instances are for elite players only.
    You can try to not be killed there though.

    Many entrepreneurs, whilst running a profit focussed enterprise that they own, will make charitable gestures through the enterprise ...

    You can expect, that some bored high level players will help to few of many players at bottom of pyramid in their quests and leveling. But as soon as they will be bored with such help, they will stop it. And don't expects, that there are some fools that want to transfer their cash to other players.
  • Devoted - Lost City
    Devoted - Lost City Posts: 3,634 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    Abstractive - Archosaur wrote: »
    Common ~removed~ !!! You can't come any sooner ! Woohoo !!!

    One time fee, both structured and world pvp. That's all I need to say really. They gotta **** something up pretty bad for ~removed~ to not be amazing.
  • Finrah - Sanctuary
    Finrah - Sanctuary Posts: 115 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    truekossy wrote: »
    It's not P2P nor becoming that way.

    Just that Cash Shoppers have a major advantage over those who don't cash shop unless you're a skilled merchant. Hence, the current label of, "Free to play. Pay to win."

    More like

    "Free to PLAY. Pay to STAY." b:cry
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    Lazengan - Lost City wrote: »
    The game definitely has everything you need to succeed, but it doesn't spoon-feed it to you.

    I don't know what game you're talking about, but if it's PWI, yes. It does spoon feed it to you. Everything is easy-mode, speed level cash shop win.
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  • magicsabre
    magicsabre Posts: 167 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »
    I don't know what game you're talking about, but if it's PWI, yes. It does spoon feed it to you. Everything is easy-mode, speed level cash shop win.

    You must work, not play but work really hard (not "easy-mode") to be able to "play" if you not pay.

    And elite players only (merchants or CS) can play after moment when they will buy their chars (level+equipment).

    Player can enjoy this game as low level player though.

    Or player can join guild and ask them to help him (never did it and not know if this is really possible, but some players promoted free FC runs, TT runs, Nirvana runs, free leveling).

    magicsabre wrote: »
    ...
    PWI is same pyramid.

    You can enjoy this game as low level player (it is free to play).

    But if you want to fight in squad with elite players (R9, for example) at high level you must to have R9.

    You can't hit as hard as any other player which have even same weapon as you, but with more refine level than refine level of your weapon.
    You can't have more survivability than player with high refined (+12) R9 armor with 4 sockets in each part and best gems available inserted.

    TW, cube and other same instances are for elite players only.
    You can try to not be killed there though.

    ...


    You can expect, that some bored high level players will help to few of many players at bottom of pyramid in their quests and leveling. But as soon as they will be bored with such help, they will stop it. And don't expects, that there are some fools that want to transfer their cash to other players.
  • Demaulicus - Heavens Tear
    Demaulicus - Heavens Tear Posts: 288 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    PWI is free to play but Pay to win. If you aren't willing to spend money or farm all day then you won't be able to keep up with those who do. Thus you won't be able to PvP or TW since your gear is outclassed severely.
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    magicsabre wrote: »
    You must work, not play but work really hard (not "easy-mode") to be able to "play" if you not pay.

    TT nerfed. Mob count severely reduced back in '09. Instances you used to have to fight through you can mostly set to follow AFK now.

    Lunar nerfed. There is no such thing as a full Lunar run anymore. They used to take 4-6 hours to complete with a full squad. As deadly than many world bosses, Herzen Sori Demos... removed. Now Lunar can be solo'd with an average geared BM and cleric.

    Old Frost, not only nerfed it was changed to a power leveling instance. Old Frost was horribly, indescribably hard. Back then. The player base had not yet matured when they changed it. Now, Old Frost would probably be very challenging and a lot of fun.

    As a new user, you can hit end-game in a week or two. No matter how hard you're playing, that's not hard work. This game is broken and dying.
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  • magicsabre
    magicsabre Posts: 167 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »
    ...
    As a new user, you can hit end-game in a week or two. No matter how hard you're playing, that's not hard work. This game is broken and dying.

    Still, "new user" will need equipment.


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    and may be about 50 mil. to level up his skills.
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    magicsabre wrote: »
    Still, "new user" will need equipment.


    "Barehanded monk will be using fork."

    I've started from scratch on 3 different servers without any problems without cash... BEFORE they changed everything.

    And as a "unique, new user" yeah, they have to struggle. However, they're in the minority. I'm willing to bet that of all the users, new users are in the low single digit range. This old game hasn't attracted a large flow of new users since before Tideborn expansion.

    There is no real challenge anymore, it's all been removed to make it easier for new people willing to pay for it.
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  • Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary
    Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary Posts: 3,034 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    If I had to start as a new player it would be nearly impossible to survive without grinding or farming all day long just to keep up SLIGHTLY with the insane prices, it would be better just to find a game which is fairly new without screwed up economy and a massive imbalance between f2p and cash shop, cash shop only should give a slight advantage over others not fully deck them out with the best possible items and gear.

    PWI already is pay to play unless you find your little corner to make some income either by working hard or learning to be a decent merchant which again needs a base capital to start!

    All f2p games I have played, they are good for 1 - 2, MAX 3 years, after they become a piece of trash where cash shoppers have a massive advantage and every1 else is pretty much screwed.
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  • Aizza - Harshlands
    Aizza - Harshlands Posts: 719 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    Nirri - Archosaur wrote: »
    I heard from someone that Perfect world has become or is becoming a pay to play game, May i please get a confirmation or denial on this rumor?

    They are saying this 'Tongue in Cheek' style. Meaning if you want to get ahead you have to pay (cash shop). Not true.
  • FoxRunning - Heavens Tear
    FoxRunning - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,048 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    what planet are you from? and how could you have gotten to your level without having to fill PWE's pockets with your cash? PWI has been a Free to Play/Pay to Win game for years now., and is getting worse all the time. the only people left here are rich people or losers like me who are housebound and have nowhere else to go.

    Nirri - Archosaur wrote: »
    I heard from someone that Perfect world has become or is becoming a pay to play game, May i please get a confirmation or denial on this rumor?


    ~~ Thank you for all the people who answered, i appreciate it and sorry if i mislead anyone, it was not my intention. Now i am under the understanding that PWI is NOT a P2P game and nor will it be, thank you. :)
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