I think that I'm in love Poleblade

I was 1v1ing a bm who used poles.
I think this was the stats he had on it.
http://pwcalc.com/04841a6a6abaeeeb not sure if it was sacrificial strike or purge he had but he was hitting 1k-4k on me depending on debuffs etc.
Yeah they wont compare on damage with claws or r9 axes but the damage output is still nice and they have some nice skills.

Actually, after the pvp dmg reduction, axe does not do much more damage than poleblade. Aside from fist, poleblade is perhaps the best 1v1 weapon due to better range and better skills. If you say you cannot kill anyone with a +5 Dance of Universe nowadays, then neither can you say that you can kill anyone with a +5 GX. And don't mention r9 axes because it's just not in the same platform of discussion.

If you mainly pvp, currently the best poleblade to get is the rank 8 recast pole with advanced purge and +2 meter range. But unless the devs introduce the rank 9 pole with GoF, the r9 axe is still much much better.

I highly support poleblade BMs as they're best with a skill-spamming fighting style. After carefully looking at Wizard's new skill Arcane Light, which shrinks after any auto attack, and overall the devs endeavors to nerf aps, BM's fighting style will slowly shift from fisting to skill-spamming. It's good that you enjoyed that video, but remember a good BM uses all 4 weapons. Axe for control, Pole for range, Fist for DPS, and finally Sword for showing Seekers who is the true BladeMaster.

Sjuggs - Lost City wrote: »

and who are you? b:puzzled oh yea not one of the thousands of sins out there who think they know everything about pvp, well we all wont CS that hard to get r9 axes like every fail does when they feel weak

b:chuckle Okeano already deceive so many people by using a sin avatar.

Okeano is one of the knowledgeable BM around b:laugh

The only reason CV poles were even considered a viable weapon back in 2009-2010 were because they were G13 and you could use the cheap attack charms with them. GXs were G11 and worthless against 10x. That would be the only argument at high refines a CV pole would have higher damage range than GX's. You shouldn't compare a G13 to a G11..

When you compare similar grade weapons same refine, axes will always out DPH a pole. Aside from the fact that GS had an auto crit proc back then when CC was still around, as buff effect registered before the hit... Axes naturally have the higher high and lower low. The best DPH weapon and best AoEing weapon a BM has.

The only reason I have a spear for these days in PK/PvPis for purging a very tanky buffed R9 or when I have no chi left the occasional meteor rush. Demon farstrike is rarely used as my R9 +12 axes will finish off a target before they can kite. And even when demon farstrike is used it will only hit like 10% of what my axes could hit.

I used to have a CV pole, but after getting G15 axes, I tossed it. Now my R9 axes make my G15 axes look like garbage, and the G15 axes are sitting in the bank because they're bound. The only end-game pole a BM should have is a purge pole.

I'm not even sure why we are discussing pure axe / pure pole BM in PvP because I thought those didn't exist anymore since 2009-2010 due to G15 nirvana axes / R9 axes severely out DPHing any other BM weapon. And well, fists out DPS any other BM weapon.

But if there was some reason we could only choose 1 weapon in a 1v1, I'd still pick axe even if damage was the same for a couple of reasons.

I don't save chi unless I plan to use it; axes are where I can use it. Reliable stun-locking, with cool-downs matching perfectly so that roar CD is just enough to loop a 19.5 second stun-lock without any chance to fail unless it's by missing on drake bash or they immune. I'd rather keep the upper hand in a 1v1 knowing I am the one "controlling" the fight. Let's not forget that demon HF > demon GS as a 100% amp is better than a 50% debuff. Pure damage means nothing if you can't hold a reliable stun-lock against a kiting enemy.

In short... Even if we were to consider the damage relatively the same... full control skills > pure damage with chance to stun. I wouldn't consider pole required, but I would consider it useful for your given reasons, as I personally use meteor rush with my purge spear to stun/purge when I have no chi.

TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »

I'm not even sure why we are discussing pure axe / pure pole BM in PvP because I thought those didn't exist anymore since 2009-2010 due to G15 nirvana axes / R9 axes severely out DPHing any other BM weapon. And well, fists out DPS any other BM weapon.

But if there was some reason we could only choose 1 weapon in a 1v1, I'd still pick axe even if damage was the same for a couple of reasons.

I don't save chi unless I plan to use it; axes are where I can use it. Reliable stun-locking, with cool-downs matching perfectly so that roar CD is just enough to loop a 19.5 second stun-lock without any chance to fail unless it's by missing on drake bash or they immune. I'd rather keep the upper hand in a 1v1 knowing I am the one "controlling" the fight. Let's not forget that demon HF > demon GS as a 100% amp is better than a 50% debuff. Pure damage means nothing if you can't hold a reliable stun-lock against a kiting enemy.

In short... Even if we were to consider the damage relatively the same... full control skills > pure damage with chance to stun. I wouldn't consider pole required, but I would consider it useful for your given reasons, as I personally use meteor rush with my purge spear to stun/purge when I have no chi.

I agree with you. If I could only pick 1 weapon I would go axe too. But I was not advocating for pole-only BMs. I was advocating for the viability of using pole as a main weapon, and axe/fist/sword as supplementary in 1v1. That ruled out the inability of reliable stun-locking since you can always switch to axe for a Drake's Bash when the time is right. Finally by no means am I saying that BMs who use axe as a main weapon are inferior.

I don't think that axe can have the so-called "reliable stun-locking" anymore in the age of genies. Let's talk about our archenemy, Wizards, for example. I spend 1 spark on Drake's Bash => Wizard uses Badge => Wizard blinks away => 1 spark is wasted => Now I have to catch him again in a 80% slower speed after getting hit by a glacial snare. Against kiters like wizards and archers, I find it more beneficial to stun them using Meteor Rush or Aeolian Blade first, then follow with the standard axe stun-lock. The idea is to have the opponent's Badge or any other anti-stun genie skill on cool-down before using 1 spark to cast Drake's Bash. The 5-sec stun from Meteor Rush is long enough to follow 2 skills after it, and in many cases the opponent will be pressured into using Badge to escape.

Again all this is just for argument's sake, since currently there is no pole that can compete with the terrifying rank 9 axe. 嘻嘻

King_Solomon - Heavens Tear wrote: »

If one is to win the add lottery upon recast and get some pretty interval numbers the following polearm can turn such underlooked path into the most powerful one:

☆☆Glaive of the King: Eon

I don't know the difference in freeze effect between Thunderstrike and Square Formation, but they both look appealing.

Word. Since the R8 recast fist has no unique add-ons like purge and zerk, sword is next in line. I don't know if any faction is doing recast runs it takes so much effort, might as well farm for reps for rank9... Though in China rank 8 recast is a big thing because there is no rep sale there.

Never noticed the +100-200 range before lol. Kinda sucks that the r8 recast fists can't get any good adds otherwise it would probably have been more viable than Regicides. I think someone linked a screenshot of a r8 recast sword with GOF and double -int, sounds crazy rare, heh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dg41Cd6lJLA