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  • Hexalot - Dreamweaver
    Hexalot - Dreamweaver Posts: 871 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    Cedro - Sanctuary wrote: »
    They are saying that the new equipment, will make 5.0 gear OBSOLETE, I need a native speaker for this I don't understand most of the threads Google translated about it:
    http://bbs.w2i.wanmei.com/viewthread.php?tid=1852208&extra=page%3D5


    I'll have to see this myself to believe it. Its not simply aps itself that makes dagger & fist weapons so darn powerful. Its the ability to "permaspark" that makes aps OP. And since this new "wraith attack levels" gear doesn't have interval adds... can't see how its going to compete with what we have now.
  • Bubbles - Morai
    Bubbles - Morai Posts: 1,143 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    Hexalot - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I'll have to see this myself to believe it. Its not simply aps itself that makes dagger & fist weapons so darn powerful. Its the ability to "permaspark" that makes aps OP. And since this new "wraith attack levels" gear doesn't have interval adds... can't see how its going to compete with what we have now.

    IIRC, the ability to gain chi while sparked was taken out.
    I don't know if this was test server only or if it stayed that way, I remember there was a thread on this sometime back.

    If that's the case for pwcn, then it wouldn't be hard to imagine something stronger than 5 aps.
    If that isn't the case, then maybe it's really strong or something.
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  • Burnout - Harshlands
    Burnout - Harshlands Posts: 2,585 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    Bubbles - Lothranis wrote: »
    IIRC, the ability to gain chi while sparked was taken out.
    I don't know if this was test server only or if it stayed that way, I remember there was a thread on this sometime back.

    If that's the case for pwcn, then it wouldn't be hard to imagine something stronger than 5 aps.
    If that isn't the case, then maybe it's really strong or something.

    I am guessing that the new mobs will have a ton of attk lvl/def lvl. If it's enough, then it will cancel out the jones blessing, and APS really can't get many more attack levels without sharding glass cannon.

    Combined with mystic's 20% extra skill damage buff to mobs, this will make R9 DD's and those outfitted in new gears a lot more viable.

    I still think aps chars will do comparable dps now. At the very least the damage will be a lot more balanced. I doubt aps will die though.
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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    I don't see how they can say 5.0 is obsolete. Everyone I saw only had the crappy G12 armor / weapon. The base stats on those are so low and none of it has any interval... this wraith hunting stuff would have to be an enormous boost to just equal R8, let alone R9.
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  • Hexalot - Dreamweaver
    Hexalot - Dreamweaver Posts: 871 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    Burnout - Harshlands wrote: »
    I am guessing that the new mobs will have a ton of attk lvl/def lvl. If it's enough, then it will cancel out the jones blessing, and APS really can't get many more attack levels without sharding glass cannon.

    LOL... I would say a good 70% or more of 5 aps Sins have their gear sharded with DOTs. And that's not even counting the extra 30 attack levels R9 dagger Sins get.
  • Cedro - Sanctuary
    Cedro - Sanctuary Posts: 60 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I don't see how they can say 5.0 is obsolete. Everyone I saw only had the crappy G12 armor / weapon. The base stats on those are so low and none of it has any interval... this wraith hunting stuff would have to be an enormous boost to just equal R8, let alone R9.

    This is google translated from the link I gave last time... that's why I said that I needed a native speaker for the link, my english is also kinda average so bear with it.

    From the Wanmei Forums:
    "Is correct, such as new information came out to 5.0CK example
    for the reincarnation BB damage is 2000, but because the level of attenuation of 90, 200 became actual harm. 5 times per second, even if the attack is also only 1000 damage / sec.
    But after the new package, with the level of hunting magic, the magic level of 90 if the hunting, the damage is 2000, even higher than 5.0 1000
    law hurt even higher."

    In the new FB/instance, you can farm new gear that comes with Hunting magic level / Royal Defense level, from what I understand you can deal full damage+ to mobs and bosses, only if your Hunting magic level is high enough, also you can decrease the damage you receive if your Royal defense level is high enough, since APS gear has 0 Hunting Magic Level (can someone please get the real translation of this?), the damage is HARSHLY NERFED (up to 90+%).

    So yea in the new instance is mandatory the new gear, and you can get it doing quests in there. It seems that this new instance is really a big addition, and is nice that you can get decent gears doing quests.

    More information about the new gear here:
    http://w2i.178.com/201112/116707067939.html
  • Hexalot - Dreamweaver
    Hexalot - Dreamweaver Posts: 871 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    Cedro - Sanctuary wrote: »
    This is google translated from the link I gave last time... that's why I said that I needed a native speaker for the link, my english is also kinda average so bear with it.

    From the Wanmei Forums:
    "Is correct, such as new information came out to 5.0CK example
    for the reincarnation BB damage is 2000, but because the level of attenuation of 90, 200 became actual harm. 5 times per second, even if the attack is also only 1000 damage / sec.
    But after the new package, with the level of hunting magic, the magic level of 90 if the hunting, the damage is 2000, even higher than 5.0 1000
    law hurt even higher."

    In the new FB/instance, you can farm new gear that comes with Hunting magic level / Royal Defense level, from what I understand you can deal full damage+ to mobs and bosses, only if your Hunting magic level is high enough, also you can decrease the damage you receive if your Royal defense level is high enough, since APS gear has 0 Hunting Magic Level (can someone please get the real translation of this?), the damage is HARSHLY NERFED (up to 90+%).

    So yea in the new instance is mandatory the new gear, and you can get it doing quests in there. It seems that this new instance is really a big addition, and is nice that you can get decent gears doing quests.

    More information about the new gear here:
    http://w2i.178.com/201112/116707067939.html

    Going by what you're saying above, it's not just aps gear that will be nerfed then. It's basically ALL current gear (R8, R9, Nirvana) for both caster and melee that will be nerfed for the new instances since none of them currently have the specialized "wraith attack/defense levels".

    Also and if true, this new event is basically nothing more than a BLATANT money grab by PWCN since there are obviously profits to be made in orb sales to players who are forced get this new wraith hunting gear to run the new instances. After all, no one will want to run around with zero refines forever.
  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    Who cares if everyone is nerfed in the new instance? No one will do it because the gear is ****, thus making it a moot point.
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  • Valirah - Sanctuary
    Valirah - Sanctuary Posts: 522 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Who cares if everyone is nerfed in the new instance? No one will do it because the gear is ****, thus making it a moot point.

    This seems to be the conclusion I'm drawing as well.
  • Korren - Lost City
    Korren - Lost City Posts: 339 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    you will get a full set of g12 new gears for free(including weapon) after finishing the main quests in the new map, which takes about 5-7 hours.

    The weapon is not that bad if u dont pvp, even with the free g12 dagger(+45 W attack lvl)

    even tho it drops your aps down to 4.0, but with 45%-60% dmg boost, a 4.0 sin with new daggers can pretty much out DD a sin with 1st cast nv dagger...


    the new instance isnt that hard to complete, u can only do once a day. After killing all bosses, u will get a chest, in which u can randomly get weapon ticket, armour ticket, P stone, fruit, etc. no mats needed, no costb:sweat
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  • Tekril - Dreamweaver
    Tekril - Dreamweaver Posts: 308 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    JuFranz - Raging Tide wrote: »
    From what i can see on the upcoming expansion when it comes to gears/weapons is that:

    a) New Mobs/Boss will hit hard and difficult or will take longer time to kill without any wraith atk level / wraith def level thing (or whatever it will be called) which will lead to b)

    b) No matter what aps you are right now you'll die fast and you'll kill Mobs/Boss longer time than the new gears/weapons that will be offered on the expansion b:shocked

    b:cry current gears will be obsolete then... which i believe they are nerfing aps indirectly

    I'm not really sure about this but somehow this is what will happen in the future b:surrender
    That's how I see it too. But we just gotta wait and see for ourselves.
    Cedro - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Some signatures, are pretty much softporn o.0, why is that kind of stuff allowed?

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    lol you mean this? It's not pornographic at all, brah. You need to show some naughty parts for it to even remotely qualify for ****. That's just an anime chick laying down. Harmless.
  • Regenbogen - Lost City
    Regenbogen - Lost City Posts: 1,559 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    so its about special PVE-DEF/ATK-LEVEL?
    another workaround to this game instead of fixing it right away...b:shutup


    - people complain about the game being easy and boring
    - same people wcing whole day for 5aps or r9 for fast nirvana
    - same people crying loudest when their beloved OP characters or instance should be nerfed to make it more difficult and time consuming

    and the very much same people posting in this thread that nobody gonna do the new instance because it might be a bit of an challenge again?

    b:lipcurl
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  • Vancore - Sanctuary
    Vancore - Sanctuary Posts: 262 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    I know this has nothing to do with all the other complaints about skills but, barbs are getting 2 new agro skills, a crazy powerful frontal aoe and a skill that makes it so you cant change targets for 6 seconds, but what i want to know does really only work on other players and if so are people in china complaining about it cause that skill should really work for pve if these new instances are going to be a tough as you guys say they barbs will need an agro of that power, that i just want barbs to once again be the undisputed tank of the this game again im a squishy psy and i like to know when i hide behind a barb im safe, safe behind the the power of fuzzinessb:dirty
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  • Hexalot - Dreamweaver
    Hexalot - Dreamweaver Posts: 871 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    Korren - Lost City wrote: »
    you will get a full set of g12 new gears for free(including weapon) after finishing the main quests in the new map, which takes about 5-7 hours.

    The weapon is not that bad if u dont pvp, even with the free g12 dagger(+45 W attack lvl)

    even tho it drops your aps down to 4.0, but with 45%-60% dmg boost, a 4.0 sin with new daggers can pretty much out DD a sin with 1st cast nv dagger...


    the new instance isnt that hard to complete, u can only do once a day. After killing all bosses, u will get a chest, in which u can randomly get weapon ticket, armour ticket, P stone, fruit, etc. no mats needed, no costb:sweat


    but the point is... in order to out DD that Nirvana 1st cast Sin... you're going to have to spend money on refines all over again... and spend it on a weapon that's specifically designed to be PVE only...

    For a lot of people, that's a pretty hard sell... IMO.
  • ooka7
    ooka7 Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    Lol at you lot. Do you care about OP gear so much? Where is the old players that just loved playing the game? Where has that lot gone? Now you're all these whiney needy children. I for one will love this new dungeon, and gear and if people don't want you should encourage them, after all the game is to be enjoyed, having fun. If you tell me you stop enjoying the game. You should have quit already.

    Peaceb:victory
  • Cedro - Sanctuary
    Cedro - Sanctuary Posts: 60 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    It seems that the new area is huge, and you will have to do public quest to get rep, which as far as I understand is required for new skills/gears. Even if they are not so good skills (Cleric) or totally OP (wizard one) we all want new skills that's something I give as a fact.

    So yea 5.0 era is not going to end, they are just making it fair for other classes, so a bunch of 5 apsers wont own the place, as it happens with some of the current instances. Also the party limit is raised to 10 in the new area and expect though mob to be there b:pleased totally awesome.

    And I totally aprove having to quest for gear, it makes me want to quest again, when I started playing this, this game was all about quests, metting ppl while questing, and chatting while questing, working together to get quest done, I totally miss those times b:surrender
  • RunningTiger - Dreamweaver
    RunningTiger - Dreamweaver Posts: 243 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    In the end if the new gear isn't pvp/tw quality gear and you can't farm coin to buy gold- then they might as well not make it.
  • WereElf - Lost City
    WereElf - Lost City Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    any1 knows will the new skills cost anything and how much of it?
  • DeffyNature - Archosaur
    DeffyNature - Archosaur Posts: 1,400 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    RunningTiger - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    In the end if the new gear isn't pvp/tw quality gear and you can't farm coin to buy gold- then I might as well not get it for myself.

    Fixed... If you personally choose to pvp/tw, than fine, but don't deny others that give a rat's *** about stroking e-peens while pvping or don't bother with tws the chance to get something good.b:bye
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  • Naturion - Dreamweaver
    Naturion - Dreamweaver Posts: 183 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    Is there a chance that a GM could maybe ask the devs if they can decrease the blademaster skill Dragon bane to reduce their cooldown to 1minute, or atleast increase the duration so we can have a nice self buff skill and not just sins, cause sins crit rate is insane with their buff.
  • Sarrafeline - Sanctuary
    Sarrafeline - Sanctuary Posts: 4,661 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    Naturion - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Is there a chance that a GM could maybe ask the devs if they can decrease the blademaster skill Dragon bane to reduce their cooldown to 1minute, or atleast increase the duration so we can have a nice self buff skill and not just sins, cause sins crit rate is insane with their buff.

    increase duration to 1 hour ploz.

    Same with Blazing arrow, 1 hour ploz.

    ****ing stupid 15 minute/12 second buff. >_>
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  • taina
    taina Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    RunningTiger - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    In the end if the new gear isn't pvp/tw quality gear and you can't farm coin to buy gold- then they might as well not make it.

    Cedro I agree with you about this! When I joined PW in 2009 I had ALOT of fun meeting new people, questing, just chatting together to get the job done! Now all of my ingame friends from that time have left.

    I too, thought about leaving, but once I heard of this new area where you HAVE to quest to get the new gears, I thought to myself I will wait and see. The new skills from what I can see in the forums are fantastic, even the Mystic ones. I'll have to see more to decide what one of the three paths would be best for me to choose from: Light, Dark, Shadow I think they are.

    As for earning rep from quests, I hope it is ALOT more than the other quests available to a lvl 100 Mystic! Just doing Frost is getting boring for me! So I'll hang around and wait for the new expansion.

    My IGN is Karalaniel, lvl 100 Sage Mystic! If you see me ingame, just say hello! I always say hello or stop for a chat!

    See ya ingame!
  • taina
    taina Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    OOps the whole of Cedro's post for some odd reason wasn't copied over! O_o
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    WereElf - Lost City wrote: »
    any1 knows will the new skills cost anything and how much of it?

    Most of the new skills seemed to be 3m spirit / 3m coin or 1.5m spirit / 1.5m coin to learn.
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  • Jin_Wang - Lost City
    Jin_Wang - Lost City Posts: 109 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Most of the new skills seemed to be 3m spirit / 3m coin or 1.5m spirit / 1.5m coin to learn.

    The developers made a poor excuse not to fix the current character / genie skills and of course equipment, yet add new and laughable skills (well most, not all). We do not need anything new right now, what we need are fixes and putting originality to the classes instead of making a "new" class that does pretty much the same thing.

    Look up the current skills we have, we know the skills need to be fixed, and certain effects need changing. Like swimming mastery. So if you think a new aggro skill for an average barb is going to make them tanking at level 100 where cash shopping damage dealers can do that themselves without much effort, good luck with that. Clerics going metal mage form is just a ridiculous, not only decreasing your maximum HP, their healing gets disabled just for a slight boost of magic damage. Assassins looking in people's inventory, what is that skill for? I don't even want to bother with the others. I am hoping this would be a joke like the 10 man squad news, I am glad that did not happen. Why pay 1.5-3 mil for those skills? It is ridiculous.
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  • Vancore - Sanctuary
    Vancore - Sanctuary Posts: 262 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    Jin_Wang - Lost City wrote: »
    The developers made a poor excuse not to fix the current character / genie skills and of course equipment, yet add new and laughable skills (well most, not all). We do not need anything new right now, what we need are fixes and putting originality to the classes instead of making a "new" class that does pretty much the same thing.

    Look up the current skills we have, we know the skills need to be fixed, and certain effects need changing. Like swimming mastery. So if you think a new aggro skill for an average barb is going to make them tanking at level 100 where cash shopping damage dealers can do that themselves without much effort, good luck with that. Clerics going metal mage form is just a ridiculous, not only decreasing your maximum HP, their healing gets disabled just for a slight boost of magic damage. Assassins looking in people's inventory, what is that skill for? I don't even want to bother with the others. I am hoping this would be a joke like the 10 man squad news, I am glad that did not happen. Why pay 1.5-3 mil for those skills? It is ridiculous.

    you pay 1mil-2mil for demon sage skills and 3mil for 100 skills by this game standards the cost is by no means odd
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  • Erryne - Sanctuary
    Erryne - Sanctuary Posts: 220 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    I believe he meant: "I don't believe those skills are worth the learning price tag".

    For psychic, getting my very own improved feral concentration is a definite win and I will gladly pay that price.

    Edit: Was just re-reading the skills post from both Korrean and bubbles.... ****, 2sparks + cannot immune the stun, wtf....
  • Kinjeto - Raging Tide
    Kinjeto - Raging Tide Posts: 564 Arc User
    edited December 2011


    New update doesn't look like anything revolutionary to me. Just looks like PW trying to patch over the now 5 year old game by trying to update the existing classes. I put a certain post on another forum about 'the future' of PW in its various forms and how they could only update the gear or the skills and how level 105 is the peak of everything due to programming even though they could go to 150. Level 150 is the sort of N/A label used in bosses to describe how the game doesn't treat the boss specifically via level.

    Same old PW and I've been at this bull for 5 years now and its just the same old, same old. Although I will admit PWI is doing it slightly better than certain other 3rd party retailers of PW (as a series).

    It just doesn't look like anything revolutionary considering at the moment I am currently waiting for -removed- and beta testing the **** out of -removed- which didn't cost me 1000 USD. It really only cost me about 30 USD and comes with enhanced access out of the box. Let alone something like 4000 USD over the course of a year. Value for money? Pfftbah.

    Like I keep saying over and over and over again. PW as a game isn't Free to Pay it is only 'free' when you walk in the door, pay the cover charge, pay to get in, then pay the bartender for whatever drink you want, get drunk and only realize the prices keep going up over the night the drunker you get, which of course, you don't notice.

    No thanks. I don't do that. I do; When I get to the party the beer is free and everyone is having a good time. That is my definition of F2P. Not using your customers as collateral and milking the cow for all its' worth.

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  • eyehaveyou
    eyehaveyou Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    Kinjeto - Raging Tide wrote: »


    New update doesn't look like anything revolutionary to me. Just looks like PW trying to patch over the now 5 year old game by trying to update the existing classes. I put a certain post on another forum about 'the future' of PW in its various forms and how they could only update the gear or the skills and how level 105 is the peak of everything due to programming even though they could go to 150. Level 150 is the sort of N/A label used in bosses to describe how the game doesn't treat the boss specifically via level.

    Same old PW and I've been at this bull for 5 years now and its just the same old, same old. Although I will admit PWI is doing it slightly better than certain 3rd party retailers of PW (as a series).

    It just doesn't look like anything revolutionary considering at the moment I am currently waiting for and beta testing the **** out of which didn't cost me 1000 USD. It really only cost me about 30 USD and comes with enhanced access out of the box. Let alone something like 4000 USD over the course of a year. Value for money? Pfftbah.

    Like I keep saying over and over and over again. PW as a game isn't Free to Pay it is only 'free' when you walk in the door, pay the cover charge, pay to get in, then pay the bartender for whatever drink you want, get drunk and only realize the prices keep going up over the night the drunker you get, which of course, you don't notice.

    No thanks. I don't do that. I do; When I get to the party the beer is free and everyone is having a good time. That is my definition of F2P. Not using your customers as collateral and milking the cow for all its' worth.




    I seriously do not know what you are talking about, PWI is not F2P ?how do u get to that conclusion? When I was starting on European servers, I had like 37 mil after 1 week, not spending 1 $ on the game.
    Making money is so easy in this game, you dont have to spend any money on this game. I feel sorry that u do not know how to make money after 5 years of playing.
  • Rickioo - Archosaur
    Rickioo - Archosaur Posts: 138 Arc User
    edited December 2011
    eyehaveyou wrote: »
    I seriously do not know what you are talking about, PWI is not F2P ?how do u get to that conclusion? When I was starting on European servers, I had like 37 mil after 1 week, not spending 1 $ on the game.
    Making money is so easy in this game, you dont have to spend any money on this game. I feel sorry that u do not know how to make money after 5 years of playing.

    +1 I'm pulling about 10-15mil a day farming TT i spent a little money on fashion but that's about it. my gf loves her fashion lol
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