R9 and Cloud Stir or 2 Sky Covers?

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Rawrarwrwrw - Dreamweaver
Rawrarwrwrw - Dreamweaver Posts: 1 Arc User
edited December 2011 in General Discussion
Today two people on Loth were arguing about whether to use two Sky Covers or the R9 ring and a Cloud Stir/R8 ring for a full +12 Jade sharded Psy and I wanna know which is actually better?
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  • Deceptistar - Sanctuary
    Deceptistar - Sanctuary Posts: 10,454 Arc User
    edited December 2011
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    i think you might find more answers if you can post in the psy forum ;o
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  • SashaGray - Heavens Tear
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,765 Arc User
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    the answer is throw your wallet at your monitor and smash your face into the keyboard
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  • Burnout - Harshlands
    Burnout - Harshlands Posts: 2,585 Arc User
    edited December 2011
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    Rawrarwrwrw - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Today two people on Loth were arguing about whether to use two Sky Covers or the R9 ring and a Cloud Stir/R8 ring for a full +12 Jade sharded Psy and I wanna know which is actually better?

    There's a psy on my server sporting 2 +12 sky covers atm. Both rings give him a combined ~3100 extra p. def. He has more p. def than most wizards on the server. Combine that his seal buffs, retal buffs, etc, and I've seen him tank *multiple* demon sparked nirv dag sins @ the same time without breaking a sweat. (his ~40% seal chance doesn't make matters any easier)

    A psy in black voodoo and a +12 wep can already kill just about anything he wants to, tbh. So I'd personally go with the 2 rings.
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  • Zanryu - Dreamweaver
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 7,261 Arc User
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    I'd go with the R9 and Cloud Stir, you'd lose a nice chunk of M attack with Sky Covers. Could mean the difference between a charm tick and a kill, and personally I'd rather have a kill. A Psychic has Soul of Silence and other souls to use defensively, along with White Voodoo if they just really need to withstand a gank or whatever, so sacrificing magic attack just to gain some Pdef isn't something I'd go for.

    Some people like that and more power to them, but I'll take more damage, thanks.
  • Burnout - Harshlands
    Burnout - Harshlands Posts: 2,585 Arc User
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    Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I'd go with the R9 and Cloud Stir, you'd lose a nice chunk of M attack with Sky Covers. Could mean the difference between a charm tick and a kill, and personally I'd rather have a kill. A Psychic has Soul of Silence and other souls to use defensively, along with White Voodoo if they just really need to withstand a gank or whatever, so sacrificing magic attack just to gain some Pdef isn't something I'd go for.

    Some people like that and more power to them, but I'll take more damage, thanks.

    2 +12 cloud stirs is around 20-25% less damage, id estimate. The 2 mag attk rings will barely give you 5% more damage. They don't give you 4 atkk lvls, either.

    So it's actually giving up quite a lot of defense for just a little more offense.
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  • Zanryu - Dreamweaver
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 7,261 Arc User
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    Burnout - Harshlands wrote: »
    2 +12 cloud stirs is around 20-25% less damage, id estimate. The 2 mag attk rings will barely give you 5% more damage. They don't give you 4 atkk lvls, either.

    So it's actually giving up quite a lot of defense for just a little more offense.

    Actually you gain 14% more Pdef while sacrificing over 2k Mattack. The 4 attack levels don't make up for the Matk lost, and since you're also sacrificing 5 defense levels which is ~5% more resistance you're gaining about 9% Pdef in replacing your rings.
  • Burnout - Harshlands
    Burnout - Harshlands Posts: 2,585 Arc User
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    Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Actually you gain 14% more Pdef while sacrificing over 2k Mattack. The 4 attack levels don't make up for the Matk lost, and since you're also sacrificing 5 defense levels which is ~5% more resistance you're gaining about 9% Pdef in replacing your rings.

    Assuming a psy has ~55% p. def unbuffed, and adding the 2 rings raises it to ~69%, then the total damage reduction is actually ~31% less physical damage taken.
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    sashagray - Heavens Tear wrote: »
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  • Zanryu - Dreamweaver
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 7,261 Arc User
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    Burnout - Harshlands wrote: »
    Assuming a psy has ~55% p. def unbuffed, and adding the 2 rings raises it to ~69%, then the total damage reduction is actually ~31% less physical damage taken.

    I'd still much rather be able to end someone one hit sooner, because otherwise they could have time to resist it somehow or stun/seal you and you end up drawing the fight out a bit longer. A R9 Psy is already gonna survive well, why not go for as much damage as possible?
  • Decus - Dreamweaver
    Decus - Dreamweaver Posts: 5,033 Arc User
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    I've never been a huge fan of pattk rings for the pdef refines, but I've also never seen rings that were quite as worth it as the PQ rings. I think both of you have good points, it's just a matter of if someone chooses to augment defensively or offensively. For what it's worth, I'd go with the +12 pattk PQ rings if money was not a factor.
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    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
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    For psychics getting R8 / R9 rings doesn't give any soulforce. So having 2 +12 sky covers will add like 5k more soul force which helps them do damage in other ways. Personally I'd get the sky covers and switch to rank rings as the situation demands.
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  • Burnout - Harshlands
    Burnout - Harshlands Posts: 2,585 Arc User
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    I recorded a quick video on my troll/silver pool spy char, of a full +12 psy using 2 sky covers for p. def.

    In this video, he tanks a full +12 R9 wiz, R8 cleric, +10 R8 archer, and a +10 R9 sin. What's impressive isn't that he tanked them - (although he did do it without cleric or barb buffs), but the length of the stun, as well as the archer and sin being completely incapable of doing any damage to the psy.

    At :09 seconds into the video, the wizard takes a full 15 second stun. At :45 into the video, the archer takes the same 15 second stun. It may look like they went afk due to the video quality, but they are actually stunned during this entire time.

    The psy is demon, so he has over 40% chance to proc his seal. The sin comes in, but spends the majority of the time sealed.

    The 2 +12 rings make a significant enough difference in defense/stun time during ganks.


    Watch here.
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  • Zanryu - Dreamweaver
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 7,261 Arc User
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    Burnout - Harshlands wrote: »
    I recorded a quick video on my troll/silver pool spy char, of a full +12 psy using 2 sky covers for p. def.

    In this video, he tanks a full +12 R9 wiz, R8 cleric, +10 R8 archer, and a +10 R9 sin. What's impressive isn't that he tanked them - (although he did do it without cleric or barb buffs), but the length of the stun, as well as the archer and sin being completely incapable of doing any damage to the psy.

    At :09 seconds into the video, the wizard takes a full 15 second stun. At :45 into the video, the archer takes the same 15 second stun. It may look like they went afk due to the video quality, but they are actually stunned during this entire time.

    The psy is demon, so he has over 40% chance to proc his seal. The sin comes in, but spends the majority of the time sealed.

    The 2 +12 rings make a significant enough difference in defense/stun time during ganks.


    Watch here.

    Hmm... fair enough that they make a difference in ganks, but would the attack power lost be worth it in every situation?
  • Adorable - Harshlands
    Adorable - Harshlands Posts: 77 Arc User
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    hey Burn, couldn't read the psy's name but something tells me it's our famous hardcore farmer DeityOfRain/letsdance? : )
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  • Burnout - Harshlands
    Burnout - Harshlands Posts: 2,585 Arc User
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    Adorable - Harshlands wrote: »
    hey Burn, couldn't read the psy's name but something tells me it's our famous hardcore farmer DeityOfRain/letsdance? : )

    Who else has double +12 sky covers?
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  • Adorable - Harshlands
    Adorable - Harshlands Posts: 77 Arc User
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    True : )
    I shouldn't have even asked that.
    I wonder what he farms that much to earn such moneyz in such compact times.
    Must be 3-2 gold wrists mat, judging by the most of his WC shouts.
    I do really have enough respect for that guy since ages ago.
    He's a farming idol : )
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