What build do you use?

_Perses_ - Lost City wrote: »

http://pwcalc.com/c5680812a31895c1



What i'm aiming at, just trying to figure out if I should do a mix on the neck and belt or be pure on them (phys/phys, mag/mag, phys/mag, or mag/phys )

Nice except for the -0.15 on the armor.

The only way to get that would be a recast R8, which would mean you'd only have that -0.15 and no other mods. Also, the probability for that is ridiculously low.

thats riduculously funny..nobody would roll three ints on recast rank 8 armor just so they could use pack oht boots instead of ashura......Or would theyb:chuckle

I use sort of a cross between aps and skill spammer. Currently have 451 dex, 125 str, and 28 vit geared with 2.5 +3 r8. Eventually I'll get r8 recast or r9... cannot freaking decide >< Save for an -int+GoF roll, it'll be hard for r8 recast to out-do normal r8 since normal has higher base DPH and 2 huge attack mods, but those r8 recast are omgsosexy b:dirty

Sadly I have to say aps blows skill-spamming out of the water unless you're freaking rich and hate APS enough go with R9 or a good g15 roll with a full DoT sharding and use max CoD all the time (not to mention always keep yourself stocked with MP charms since just one level 10 or 11 skill can sap 1/10+ your HP).
Sin skills just don't have high enough modifiers to make them deal enough more power than normal attacks to really even see the difference. They're for their special effect and little to nothing more.

ImNotFiveAps - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Is this a for fun calc you did for fun? This is highly unrealistic haha. Do you already have those daggers? If not, goodluck. And you won't get 3 ints on recast armor... might as well try and win the lottery...

Ehhh the chest is for fun....no clue if i'll actually bother recasting it for the -.15 or not. But fun to have it there.


As for the daggers, the chance on getting the x2 -.05 is actually pretty decent with them, and then sac strike or attk lvl+ is a pretty common add based on their % listed in pwdatabase.

_Perses_ - Lost City wrote: »

Ehhh the chest is for fun....no clue if i'll actually bother recasting it for the -.15 or not. But fun to have it there.


As for the daggers, the chance on getting the x2 -.05 is actually pretty decent with them, and then sac strike or attk lvl+ is a pretty common add based on their % listed in pwdatabase.

You're seriously calling a 1 in 400 chance (2 -ints is 2800 raptures) a "decent" chance..... you're high as a kite in a hurricane. I'm not even going to get into the horrendous chance at 3 -ints on oht or r8 reforged.

PS 20 atk lvl is 2% chance; SS is 46.5% chance ....... both pretty common LOL

turg14 wrote: »

You are always **** my threads by pointing out something. Yes I exclude you from skill spammer build. If you are 5 aps base you are not from there. This is MY thread and my rules. And Im talking about DPS terms you will never use skills for that. ofc you spam stealth and stun skills because you have to depend from them to PVP. Sorry If I sound angry but I hate the ppl that **** over my threads. >.> And if you use both there IS a option too.

Wow, lol. Didn't mean to '**** your thread' by pointing out gameplay. I am curious now because you say "if you are 5 aps base you are not from there" assuming you mean you are not a skill spammer, but the you point out that there is an option for both... To me the option of "both" and "-int" are the same option and should be combined.

I don't remember **** your threads up or actually ever seeing you before but if its a logic based issue then you can assume I'm not the only one seeing it and doing you a favor by pointing it out.



Anyways... I am a player who utizilizes all the character skills to the most appropriate situation. That's why the first time I built a sin I went sage, because they have an -int disadvantage but were supposed to to have better skills. Without making this into a sage vs demon conversation but when I got 89+ and was apt at playing my sin I changed my opinion decided that demons not only had the spark I'd prefer but a majority of the skills seemed more useful for how sins do things.

The builds are the same for both skill spam and for aps, full dex with minimum strength, its the gear that might change. If you are going to spam aoes while you tank multiple mobs you may as well have two; +attack levels and more defense. Aoes can produce higher dps if you are hitting multiple mobs at once, but at the same time you are tanking multiple mobs and getting your paint heals all in one chunk. The same goes for pk, where you might try to 1-3 shot someone out of stealth but if you faster trickle of paintheal that -int provides then you better cover it with better defense and harder hits.

To me the difference doesn't take place till you actually have the "best" gear option. For -int setup you'll have interval pants, rank top, boots and wrists tt99 LA, and tt99 HA ornies. The best gear setup for skill spamming is r9. You'd be low -int but you'd have the best defense and the most attack levels.

turg14 wrote: »

You are always **** my threads by pointing out something. Yes I exclude you from skill spammer build. If you are 5 aps base you are not from there. This is MY thread and my rules. And Im talking about DPS terms you will never use skills for that. ofc you spam stealth and stun skills because you have to depend from them to PVP. Sorry If I sound angry but I hate the ppl that **** over my threads. >.> And if you use both there IS a option too.

Rage Much ??? you are in a forum , if pointing out sth screws your thread 1) ur thread has a fault or 2) you are trying to troll with ur thread or 3) you want to force your opinion to others.

situation 1) here it seems.


just for the heck of it i clicked both. I have every int gear at lvl 71 (except bloodmoons) and lvl my skills as well.

Empu - Sanctuary wrote: »

I know Saku is -int build and doesn't fit the "skill spammer" box at all. A little example : he get's attacked by some fb normal mob when having low health, first thing he will do is spark and not stun. I also bearly ever saw him with chill buff on his sin, nor did I recall him using any attack skill besides rib strike or aoe's.

I'd consider myself one of the heaviest skill spamming sins around, lol. But yes, I am a "-int build." If I had low hp and was attacked I'd weigh if I could get away with just apsing or if I needed to stun. I'm pretty stingy with my triple sparks, honestly. I use shadow teleport over headhunt because of the lower spark cost, even if that means mobs start attacking back 2 seconds earlier.

When would I use chill buff when we duo'd stealth BHs? I used to use it for FCCs but the mobs became 2 shotable without it. I still use it in Deltas for the first 3-4 stages. I see some sins use it in Metal but I do way more dps than they do, my priority being killing the dino's immediately, then worrying about the other 4 mobs.

I use RDS probably more than ribstrike, except on bosses. I prolly use tackling slash more than Ribstrike, too. I sleep mobs when I have ranged casters. And I'm one of the few sins out there that uses dagger throw for interupting. I use slipstream in pk. I use most my buffs, spam wolf emblem, rarely walk when I can tele/telestun... Only skills I don't use regularly are Puncture Wound, Twin Strike, Raving Slash, and Throatcut (I know its uses, I just don't use it regularly). Pretty sure when we duo'd I was the skill spammer and you were the apser, lol, because you don't need to use skill to play with your gear.

This goes back to my main point. Build doesn't make a skill spammer or an apser. Playstyle does. I'm an apser in a vana, skill spammer in a BH, with TT somewhere in the middle. As our gear gets better I think most of us find aps more efficient than skills.

Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »

How does -int build exclude you from being a skill spammer? My goal is DD and survivability from my DD paint heals, so I selected -int but that doesn't exclude me from using skills.

*brofist*