Non-Legendary Lvl 100 Pet
Mowriyah - Sanctuary
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Hello everyone (:
I got the froglin pet for not many days ago and wondering if this pet will be a better choice than my glacial since it got a very nice magical defense - tho ofc not as high hp.
The thing is, i am getting tired of my glacial. I have often seen it being 1-hitted or close to prob due to low magical defense. I wanna use my pet for a bit DD and assist, and not tanking. But i find it kinda a problem if i dont even can DD myself without my pet will die from aoes etc.
So for bh100, vana, just kinda all caves, i often dont use pets at all.
So..
1. I wonder if this froglin can survive in nirvana and in bh100s? (seat, aba, metal mainly - i have feeling the froglin will be pretty good at metal actually) or would a pure DD pet like the scorpion and dark wanderer be better for me? I am just a bit tired of squisy pets i have to heal so much without it even tanking!
2. What kind of pet skills do u think will be a good choice for froglin or DD/Assist Pet (whatever pet i choose)
Myself been thinking about following skills:
- Threaten to decrease the physical attack of boss. I find it a good debuff
- Shriek to interrup channelling. This would prob not be a bad skill to have but will have to test it for timing some more.
- Tough Always good to have if can time it perfectly
- Bash/Flesh Ream/An elementary skill for some damage - at least have a attack skill.
I am like 100% sure i wont get pierce for physical defense reduce because i already have such a skill, i mean ironwood and myraids. I am sage and able to keep bosses perm debuffed with that skill.
I got the froglin pet for not many days ago and wondering if this pet will be a better choice than my glacial since it got a very nice magical defense - tho ofc not as high hp.
The thing is, i am getting tired of my glacial. I have often seen it being 1-hitted or close to prob due to low magical defense. I wanna use my pet for a bit DD and assist, and not tanking. But i find it kinda a problem if i dont even can DD myself without my pet will die from aoes etc.
So for bh100, vana, just kinda all caves, i often dont use pets at all.
So..
1. I wonder if this froglin can survive in nirvana and in bh100s? (seat, aba, metal mainly - i have feeling the froglin will be pretty good at metal actually) or would a pure DD pet like the scorpion and dark wanderer be better for me? I am just a bit tired of squisy pets i have to heal so much without it even tanking!
2. What kind of pet skills do u think will be a good choice for froglin or DD/Assist Pet (whatever pet i choose)
Myself been thinking about following skills:
- Threaten to decrease the physical attack of boss. I find it a good debuff
- Shriek to interrup channelling. This would prob not be a bad skill to have but will have to test it for timing some more.
- Tough Always good to have if can time it perfectly
- Bash/Flesh Ream/An elementary skill for some damage - at least have a attack skill.
I am like 100% sure i wont get pierce for physical defense reduce because i already have such a skill, i mean ironwood and myraids. I am sage and able to keep bosses perm debuffed with that skill.
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The frogling is a decent pet for magical stuff. However, as you said, it doesn't have much hp.
I rather suggest getting a dark wanderer or a scorpion for DD
Atm I have both a frogling and a dark wanderer. The froggy is a bit underlvld (lvl 83) and the wanderer is lvl 90.
Stats: Frog lvl 83
HP: 2522
Phys res: 6537
Mag res: 7627
Phys Attack: 1828
Atk Rate: 0.80/sec
Stats: wanderer lvl 90
HP: 2729
Phys res: 8271
Mag res: 5317
Phys attack: 2779
Atk Rate: 0.80
The wanderer has about 200 more hp, and a lot more phys attack.
I personally used a walker for 1 day. I then grew tired of it and ditched it b:surrender slow pet is slow... so I can't say much about it. Either way, keep it as a tank/backup tank.
Skills for a DD pet:
Claw! It increases the phys attack of a pet. It's a pricey scroll though, so use it wisely *cough*wanderer or scorpion*cough*
It would be a waste on a froggy tbh.
I would use a non-elementary skill as extra, preferably bash since it has a shorter cooldown than fleshream.
Shriek is nice if you manage to time it perfectly. It's hard though. I speak from experience x'D (though it pisses off wizzies in duels b:avoid)
I don't really know about the other skills you listed P:
Anyways, I wouldn't take the frogling as a DD. His damage output aint very high, so you'd be better off lvling a wanderer or scorpion.
Besides that, mobs will still poke your frog once it gets too close or grabs agro. A wanderer is quite sturdy I noticed myself. ^^
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Frog is useless. Dark Wanderer, Scorpion, Eldergoth Marksman, cactopods from eden, and whatever water pet.0
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Frog is useless. Dark Wanderer, Scorpion, Eldergoth Marksman, cactopods from eden, and whatever water pet.
Ignore him .......
I have the frogling too. Only thing i wil lsay is that with Tough , he managed to tank TT 1-1 and 1-2 solo mode better than my wanderer or small bear at lvl 65 with no deaths.
Its a nice alternative , and does good for ur quest . For everyday grinding , Wanderer kills faster though
for your questions
1) Wanderer or scorpion provide more Dmg , making things faster.
2) Tough is essential in any tanking pet. Threaten is also nice to have ( i found a cheap scroll for just 70k at AH). Keep shriek ( i have saved myself few times with it)
Toxic mist is ok , i dont think u need to replace it with sth else[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
<--- MALE Veno ..... Moved to G W 2 or maybe not completely , don't know ...... PW addiction
{That TT xbow chain is one that describes someone's bowel movements after having too much spicy food. A loud **** (Thundercrack), then a burning sensation (Flash Fire), followed by an explosion of multi-colored poo-confetti (Blinding Radiance). Excellent...} By Quilue0 -
Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear wrote: »Ignore him .......
I have the frogling too. Only thing i wil lsay is that with Tough , he managed to tank TT 1-1 and 1-2 solo mode better than my wanderer or small bear at lvl 65 with no deaths.
Its a nice alternative , and does good for ur quest . For everyday grinding , Wanderer kills faster though
for your questions
1) Wanderer or scorpion provide more Dmg , making things faster.
2) Tough is essential in any tanking pet. Threaten is also nice to have ( i found a cheap scroll for just 70k at AH). Keep shriek ( i have saved myself few times with it)
Toxic mist is ok , i dont think u need to replace it with sth else
Ignore her...
M.def is the worse attribute for you to depend on, It isn't solid like HP or P.def., for a tank first you should go with HP and then look at the rest, the Frog can have a nice Mdef but he have a poor choice of initial skills, meaning that you have to buy a bash or two for make It worth.
Frogling LV100
HP: 3032
Atk: 2532
P.def: 7897 (66%)
Mdef: 9213 (69%)
Acc.: 2021
Dodge: 1347
Atk/s: 0.8
m/s: 7.8
dps: 2251
Dark Wanderer LV100
HP: 3029
Atk: 3343
P.def: 9204 (69%)
M.def: 5917 (59%)
Acc.: 1851
Dodge: 1234
Atk/s: 0.8
m/s: 7.9
dps: 2972
Glacial Walker LV100
HP: 3553
Atk: 3901
P.def: 9772 (70%)
M.def: 7166 (64%)
Acc.: 1501
Dodge: 1112
Atk/s: 0.6
m/s: 6.4
dps: 2875
All those cute pets are good for nothing, the Pig can have some purposes and the Shaodu Cub only has value because of his stun, I can understand your desire of not want to be +1 Venomancer with golen, but work in this frog is something that you will regreat latter on.
Also only few monsters are pure magic, all of them stop to cast soon that your pet enter in melee range, if your pet can't handle a boss AOE (presuming that the pet Isn't the one tanking the boss) then you should be there.0 -
I'm looking for an instance pet only - means for PURE PvE. I already got the nix for TW and duels etc, but just thinking about doing so much farming again for getting the herc also makes me feel dizzy.
I know the Dark Wanderer and Scorpion will do more damage. But i'm worried about how easily they will die.
Just look on Dark Wanderer (Left) and Glacial Walker (Right)
http://i39.tinypic.com/34ri245.png
If im tired of the magical defense on glacial... how tired will i be of the dark wanderer then?
Since i felt many aoes are magical (yes ofc there is physical also!), i dont think high mdef will be bad for a pet. Thats why i came to think about the froglin in the first place.
Of course i will keep my glacial walker for tanking if ever need, but i must say its very rare. I didn't choose venomancer for tanking and soloing - i feel my BM is way better at it and she also kills faster.0 -
Yami_ - Dreamweaver wrote: »Ignore him
M.def is the worse attribute for you to depend on, It isn't solid like HP or P.def., for a tank first you should go with HP and then look at the rest, the Frog can have a nice Mdef but he have a poor choice of initial skills, meaning that you have to buy a bash or two for make It worth.
Frogling LV100
HP: 3032
Atk: 2532
P.def: 7897 (66%)
Mdef: 9213 (69%)
Acc.: 2021
Dodge: 1347
Atk/s: 0.8
m/s: 7.8
dps: 2251
Dark Wanderer LV100
HP: 3029
Atk: 3343
P.def: 9204 (69%)
M.def: 5917 (59%)
Acc.: 1851
Dodge: 1234
Atk/s: 0.8
m/s: 7.9
dps: 2972
Glacial Walker LV100
HP: 3553
Atk: 3901
P.def: 9772 (70%)
M.def: 7166 (64%)
Acc.: 1501
Dodge: 1112
Atk/s: 0.6
m/s: 6.4
dps: 2875
All those cute pets are good for nothing, the Pig can have some purposes and the Shaodu Cub only has value because of his stun, I can understand your desire of not want to be +1 Venomancer with golen, but work in this frog is something that you will regreat latter on.
Also only few monsters are pure magic, all of them stop to cast soon that your pet enter in melee range, if your pet can't handle a boss AOE (presuming that the pet Isn't the one tanking the boss) then you should be there.
If u ever read .....
Have u tried the frog ??? i think not.
Rare pets have many uses. Armored bear is excellent subtank-lurer. THe cat / dog / kowlin have excellent speed and come with many debuff skills. If u want to be the class herc/nix veno , go for it , but dont accuse people who want to be creative or different from others.
@ OP : The wanderer has more HP and Phys def then the scorpion , and has more chance to survive. Both pets have low magic def though. Usuually u just throw them at a boss , use all their skills debuffs . Drop one - two heals. Now if pet dies and boss is nearly dead , just continue and rez it after. u lose much more dmg potential when u dont attack with your own skills / morph to amplify etc.
As for Frog , yes it survives magic AoE'S way better. Plus if u practise on canceling enemy's channeling , u may actually stop them before they hit ur team.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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{That TT xbow chain is one that describes someone's bowel movements after having too much spicy food. A loud **** (Thundercrack), then a burning sensation (Flash Fire), followed by an explosion of multi-colored poo-confetti (Blinding Radiance). Excellent...} By Quilue0 -
I have all those cute **** pets on my Veno, If you don't belive I can show to you right here, bunny, cat, dog, Kowlin (yes there are people that say that this garbage is good) are all trash. Their goal is for newcomers spend money buying those b:fatb thinking that they made a good deal.
For play PVE everything works, you can take a Rinodrake or a Oddfoot and you still will do fine, I really don't see a necessity for discuss pet's for PVE, but a good Glacial Walker sometimes make your life easy. The reason that I quoted you is that you actually RECOMEND her to keep this trash frog instead of the Glacial, she should always level her Glacial and pick wherever she wants like a secondary pet.
Frogling LV100
HP: 3032 (-521 of HP)
Atk: 2532 (-1369 of Atk)
P.def: 7897 (66%) (-4% of p.def)
Mdef: 9213 (69%) (+5% of m.def)
Acc.: 2021 (doesn't matter)
Dodge: 1347 (doesn't matter)
Atk/s: 0.8 (doesn't matter)
m/s: 7.8 (+1.4 mvmt, this is good because the Venos are fast walker chars)
dps: 2251 (doesn't matter because youre always using bash anyways)
Glacial Walker LV100
HP: 3553
Atk: 3901
P.def: 9772 (70%)
M.def: 7166 (64%)
Acc.: 1501
Dodge: 1112
Atk/s: 0.6
m/s: 6.4
dps: 2875
Why sacrifice everything else for just +5% of M.def? If you want to have M.def so badly them pick a Antelope Pup, since they have M.def 9662 (70%) and looks cute.
I love to get cute pets for show, don't get me wrong here.0 -
Frog may tank tt solo mode better as many bosses there hit harder mag than phys, BUT the frog's DD sucks so you waste your time. If you can't solo with a good dd pet yet: LEVEL UP! -Who even does solo mode anyway? -ignore me b:chuckle0
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Yami_ - Dreamweaver wrote: »thumbs up for thumbs post +1
Way to try to defend yourself. You=thumbs. Stop trying to make it look like people are agreeing with you. b:chuckle
EDITLATER: Ahmygod I'm sorry.
I derped and clicked the wrong profile and thought I clicked thumbs's. I take back that statement. ;___; I didn't get much sleep and jumped to conclusions based on faulty logic.
I take it back. :c
Wow I feel like derpy mcderpington.
Anyways, to the OP, you can use the frog if you want, but honestly the walker will do just about everything else better, and its hp is high enough that it won't make much of a difference with the mdef. I'm all for using pets you like though as long as you can do your job. c:0 -
Khiren - Lost City wrote: »Way to try to defend yourself. You=thumbs. Stop trying to make it look like people are agreeing with you. b:chuckle
Anyways, to the OP, you can use the frog if you want, but honestly the walker will do just about everything else better, and its hp is high enough that it won't make much of a difference with the mdef. I'm all for using pets you like though as long as you can do your job. c:
Maybe I just don't get it. But I dun think they're the same person o.o unless it's 2 diff accounts which isn't really provable.
Their names lead to diff core profiles >;O[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Waterfal - Sanctuary wrote: »Maybe I just don't get it. But I dun think they're the same person o.o unless it's 2 diff accounts which isn't really provable.
Their names lead to diff core profiles >;O
...Oh**** I clicked on the wrong one when checking.
Okay, sorry. Forgive me. b:surrender Honest mistake. *goes to edit apology into last post*
Three hours of sleep makes me derp. ;__;0 -
If I remember correctly; the biggest reason a frog would make a better tank for TT is because of insufficient healing from the veno; not because the frog is more capable.
Why waste coin on a crappy pet and not a legendary pet? Save your resources and use a Carapest Terror to find out later how useless a mag tank pet becomes. You might find obscure use for it in things like Public Quest 2 where it could hold mobs at range while you mine, but who does PQ2 anymore anyway?0 -
Again, i am not looking for a tanker, but a pet that takes less damage when at bosses with aoes. Again, not a tanker.
Well maybe i should just get the herc, but that is first gonna be after i finish farming for my weapon then. I am just a bit lazy for farming for another legendary pet, especially when my veno isn't even my main.0 -
Mowriyah - Sanctuary wrote: »Again, i am not looking for a tanker, but a pet that takes less damage when at bosses with aoes. Again, not a tanker.
Well maybe i should just get the herc, but that is first gonna be after i finish farming for my weapon then. I am just a bit lazy for farming for another legendary pet, especially when my veno isn't even my main.
The froggie is a decent pet and the skills aren't that bad either, however I do not have one so I can't make an absolute judgment on that. My 92 veno has an armored bear and its great, I even gave it the Protect herc skill so now it has more magic defense than a buffed herc
My veno also has a tabby plumdrop and cuddly pup; both of which are decent DDs, and have a decent amount of survivability. If you are having trouble taming rare pets, ask a few veno friends for help. Remember to be patient and you'll get something eventually. Or if you're really lazy, just buy a rare pet in the auction house.
Whether or not you get a herc is your choice, but remember that you do have a lot of possibilities when it comes to pets, and you can also customize them as well via skills.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Sukinee - Heavens Tear wrote: »The froggie is a decent pet and the skills aren't that bad either, however I do not have one so I can't make an absolute judgment on that. My 92 veno has an armored bear and its great, I even gave it the Protect herc skill so now it has more magic defense than a buffed herc
Have to wonder if you've had a decent pet. I've leveled an Armored Bear to 100 finding use in it as a debuff lurer at one time. Now it's not even good for that. Some venos may want one as a back up tank, but in these days of Holy Path; it's not bad to just retreat.0 -
Mowriyah - Sanctuary wrote: »Again, i am not looking for a tanker, but a pet that takes less damage when at bosses with aoes. Again, not a tanker.
Well maybe i should just get the herc, but that is first gonna be after i finish farming for my weapon then. I am just a bit lazy for farming for another legendary pet, especially when my veno isn't even my main.
WOULDN'T A TANK PET TAKE LESS DAMAGE DUMBA.SS?
Also, it's a "tank", and not a "tanker" b:bye
As all the other ACTUALLY knowledgeable players in here have already said, get a Glacial Walker. End of story.0 -
WOULDN'T A TANK PET TAKE LESS DAMAGE DUMBA.SS?
Also, it's a "tank", and not a "tanker" b:bye
As all the other ACTUALLY knowledgeable players in here have already said, get a Glacial Walker. End of story.
Omg i'm sorry im not english and dont know the language 100% O_o?
My goal was finding a pet that was better for the aoe etc, since glacial take like 50% of its hp on some bosses when getting hurt. Means 2-hitted, and i wont be able to heal in time always.0 -
More channel! That's the solution to not healing fast enough
Anyway - the various tank pets are indeed the ones that will do best against AOEs. The various legendaries, then the glacial walker are your best bet.
If your (fully levelled up) glacial walker can't survive the aoe, then you need to consider either the legendaries or slapping the legendary buffs on it. Either option is very expensive (and the herc is usually better in the long run)
The froggy will be better at surviving magic AOEs - but that's only some of them, and it isn't really going to deal much damage while it survives.0
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