Veno still the most soloable?
Nadel - Dreamweaver
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Hey all, I'm trying to decide on a new character and want to play mostly on my own for quite awhile. I'm not sure anymore though, if the veno is still my best bet for soloability at low-mid levels. Or has the mystic shown itself better in that regard? All opinions are most welcome.
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having made both a veno and a mystic that have made it to the level 80x, I would personally say veno. Mystic is good too, but I think that the veno's pets are better suited for tanking those mid to higher leveled instances alone (things like TT). And you don't absolutely need a herc pet to be able to solo things, I myself do not have one and am doing just fine without.
Again, just my opinion. :P[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Sin? b:avoid
Stealth the mobs, kill the bosses. Farm twice as much in half the time as a veno... Especially if you have to spam heal your pet.
Takes money to get to that point though.101 Sage Sin*/Archer
100 Demon BM*/Barb
96 Demon Cleric/Sage Seeker
95 Demon Wiz/
94 Sage Veno
85 Psy/80 Mystic
And a handful of other alts, all 79 and under.
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(I'm assuming you mean soloing culti bosses and instances, as any class can solo regular world mobs just fine)
For soloing at mid-levels, veno is still the best. Mystic pets can't tank nearly as well as veno pets, their defenses are raised by the refines on the mystic's gear, among other things, so unless you plan to +10 your tt70 armors....... Mystic soloing is a lot like cleric soloing, relying on your heals and self buffs to stay alive rather than using the pet as a tank and healing it.
Mystics also eat a ton more mp, so be prepared for higher expenses.
If you plan to ever level it to endgame, think about what you prefer to do then also. Mystics are better than venos in delta, venos are better than mystics in nirvana (broad generalization there but fairly accurate).[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Thanks for the opinions and info so far : ). Sounds like a veno is still my best bet as I don't really intend to take it to endgame or spend money on it. This is just for fun and to have a character that I don't necessarily have to rely on finding help for every instance at lower and mid levels.0
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....venos used to be much easier to solo, before our bramble got nerfed.. i was furious last night when i went into TT 2-1, and got steamrollered by Fatalaqua. i havent been in in there for a while, but use that one a lot, so i was shocked when he smeared me. he had never killed me before. from what i've seen here in the forums, bosses have been juiced up, and players' skills selectively nerfed. its very sad...i used to enjoy going through the lower levels of the TT when i couldnt get anyone to play with me in squad...now it appears that this is no longer possible.
venos used to be the class that could play alone, and a Crystaline Magnimite was the tank of choice then, for those of us who cant afford hercs. but now i wonder if hercs have suffered the same fate as other pets and veno skills, and been nerfed.
i cant believe im saying this, because i love being a veno. but you might be better off choosing either a psych or a mystic (despite the fugly pets, at least they help you as does a veno's). both seem to be strong and do well in the game as it presently exists.. as for me, i guess i'm just going to continue bumbling along, alone, with WQ and doing old instances for a change of pace. i dont expect to go any higher in level than i am now, the way things are.b:sadNadel - Dreamweaver wrote: »Hey all, I'm trying to decide on a new character and want to play mostly on my own for quite awhile. I'm not sure anymore though, if the veno is still my best bet for soloability at low-mid levels. Or has the mystic shown itself better in that regard? All opinions are most welcome.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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FoxRunning - Heavens Tear wrote: »i cant believe im saying this, because i love being a veno. but you might be better off choosing either a psych or a mystic (despite the fugly pets, at least they help you as does a veno's). both seem to be strong and do well in the game as it presently exists.. as for me, i guess i'm just going to continue bumbling along, alone, with WQ and doing old instances for a change of pace. i dont expect to go any higher in level than i am now, the way things are.b:sad
This makes me really sad. At your level, you should be rather easily able to get FC squads. Amp, bramble and sparks are really nice things to have in there.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Nadel - Dreamweaver wrote: »Hey all, I'm trying to decide on a new character and want to play mostly on my own for quite awhile. I'm not sure anymore though, if the veno is still my best bet for soloability at low-mid levels. Or has the mystic shown itself better in that regard? All opinions are most welcome.
Having played Veno, Mystic, Sin, Cleric and Seeker to 60-90+ I can say that the Mystic is probably just as soloable if not more so than the Veno at low-mid levels. At higher levels the Veno Pet is much stronger but the playstyle is a bit different, most Mystics will end up becoming the Tank not their Pet, a little bit like playing a Cleric and another Char at the same time. Because of the Pets, Plants, Heals and DD of the Mystic it is a complicated class to play well. But if you want a challenge ... good Mystics are really awesome.
Sins are not easily soloable at low-mid levels as they are just too squishy.
My 90+ Veno is basically just around to help my alts. It really is quite boring after a while, very grindy and nowadays Venos are not much in demand.
Surprisingly enough the most fun class for me ATM is the Seeker and it can solo quite a few instances. Here is a vid I made a few days ago of my Seeker soloing Phoenix Valley. PV can also be soloed by a Veno but I can do it at least 10-20 times faster on my Seeker.
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FoxRunning - Heavens Tear wrote: »....venos used to be much easier to solo, before our bramble got nerfed.. i was furious last night when i went into TT 2-1, and got steamrollered by Fatalaqua. i havent been in in there for a while, but use that one a lot,....
What do you mean with nerf? It was already nerfed in pvp (bramble) and why do you need that skill for that boss?0 -
HI,
You said you prefer to solo, to play alone for a while and which is best for mid lvls ?
Veno, Veno, Veno and again veno.
I have 3 venos b:chuckle
You can solo even some fb bosses if you are ,lets say, 20 lvls above with a crystaline magmite (best physical defence free pet ,not the tideborn magmite:that is better a bit on magic defence than crystalline)..(depends of which cave)
As a veno , you have a chance to run for your life if your pet got surrounded by mobs, just let the pet and fly b:laugh or run if you are in instance.
Also veno have that great skill to recover hp and mp or to switch to fill the bar..b:victory
As veno you can save some hp and mp potions too for your cleric or some ammo for your archer if you have b:victory
Make a veno and send your pet to kill mobs and you can farm herbs or mats nearby too
, take advantage of 2x event , as veno for mid lvls its much better.
Its not important the bramble thing if you not PVP all day long))
You might need to buy and upgrade some skills for pet like bash,flesh ream,shrek and tough if you want a stronger pet in time
You;ll thank me later lol, now just go and create fast a veno to taste real soloing challenges at lower lvl, not sins at 100 lvl lol..[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] srry about my english, im sure you'll get the point what im trying to say b:chuckleb:bye
Happy Holidays ! b:victory0 -
Well, I made a new veno (I aleady had a LA veno, and that turned out a bad idea all around). Rather than restat and not know what the heck I'm doing, I have made a new one to learn from scratch : ) Thanks all, for the input.0
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Um, there are several classes besides Veno that can Solo FB bosses if you are 20 levels above.CRYSTY_III - Sanctuary wrote: »HI,
You said you prefer to solo, to play alone for a while and which is best for mid lvls ?
Veno, Veno, Veno and again veno.
I have 3 venos b:chuckle
You can solo even some fb bosses if you are ,lets say, 20 lvls above with a crystaline magmite (best physical defence free pet ,not the tideborn magmite:that is better a bit on magic defence than crystalline)..(depends of which cave)
As a veno , you have a chance to run for your life if your pet got surrounded by mobs, just let the pet and fly b:laugh or run if you are in instance.
Any class can run or fly away if surrounded by mob (outside). In almost all dungeons they will chase you forever even if you have a slight head start by sacrificing your Pet. The aggro doesn't go away like Sin Shadow Escape.
So please don't misinform. Venos aren't that great and this is coming from a player that has played one for 2 years.0 -
FoxRunning - Heavens Tear wrote: »....venos used to be much easier to solo, before our bramble got nerfed.. i was furious last night when i went into TT 2-1, and got steamrollered by Fatalaqua. i havent been in in there for a while, but use that one a lot, so i was shocked when he smeared me. he had never killed me before. from what i've seen here in the forums, bosses have been juiced up, and players' skills selectively nerfed. its very sad...i used to enjoy going through the lower levels of the TT when i couldnt get anyone to play with me in squad...now it appears that this is no longer possible.
venos used to be the class that could play alone, and a Crystaline Magnimite was the tank of choice then, for those of us who cant afford hercs. but now i wonder if hercs have suffered the same fate as other pets and veno skills, and been nerfed.
i cant believe im saying this, because i love being a veno. but you might be better off choosing either a psych or a mystic (despite the fugly pets, at least they help you as does a veno's). both seem to be strong and do well in the game as it presently exists.. as for me, i guess i'm just going to continue bumbling along, alone, with WQ and doing old instances for a change of pace. i dont expect to go any higher in level than i am now, the way things are.b:sad
Umm, I've been playing since 2008.
The first character I rolled was a Veno.
Can you explain to me how exactly Bramble has been 'nerfed' in PVE?Tsukyini - Raging Tide wrote: »This makes me really sad. At your level, you should be rather easily able to get FC squads. Amp, bramble and sparks are really nice things to have in there.
Amp is really nice in a squad. But if you have a Genie with EP, you can get a similar effect. My poleblade overwrites the Bramble buff. And sparks from a veno, while always welcome, sometimes are either unavailable (no sparks on Veno, or Lending Hand on CD), or it's too hard to move the hand off the mouse, and other hand off F1-4/1-4 keys to type in 'Spark please!'. Genie can compensate as well, Cloud Eruption.
Personally, for FCC, I'd take a Veno over a second Sin, BM, etc. But I'm also getting towards the point where I can solo FCC on my BM anyway...HildieGarde - Heavens Tear wrote: »Um, there are several classes besides Veno that can Solo FB bosses if you are 20 levels above.
Any class can run or fly away if surrounded by mob (outside). In almost all dungeons they will chase you forever even if you have a slight head start by sacrificing your Pet. The aggro doesn't go away like Sin Shadow Escape.
So please don't misinform. Venos aren't that great and this is coming from a player that has played one for 2 years.
Aggro in FB instances WILL reset after a long enough time. There are two conditions for aggro resetting: The mob/boss was damaged, and no longer had full HP, then was kited so long that it's HP went back to 100%; unless the Mob/Boss switches over to heal aggro, it will run home. Other one is that someone runs to a spot where the mob/boss cannot hit the player with current aggro. Sin teleing through a wall would be one way. Running far enough away is possibly another. Shadow Escape will simply transfer aggro to whoever was #2 on the aggro table, and I've had Rankar in BH51 run a very long ways to get to #2 on the table before.
So distance doesn't really work sometimes, like outer world mobs where you can get far enough away and they reset.
But you can always kite to the entrance, and the boss/mobs will either reset or run down a hall for someone else.101 Sage Sin*/Archer
100 Demon BM*/Barb
96 Demon Cleric/Sage Seeker
95 Demon Wiz/
94 Sage Veno
85 Psy/80 Mystic
And a handful of other alts, all 79 and under.
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Ah, I didn't know about the kiting till the HP got back up to 100%. Also, I just remembered that jumping into the lake in FB/BH69 can reset.Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »Aggro in FB instances WILL reset after a long enough time. There are two conditions for aggro resetting: The mob/boss was damaged, and no longer had full HP, then was kited so long that it's HP went back to 100%; unless the Mob/Boss switches over to heal aggro, it will run home. Other one is that someone runs to a spot where the mob/boss cannot hit the player with current aggro. Sin teleing through a wall would be one way. Running far enough away is possibly another. Shadow Escape will simply transfer aggro to whoever was #2 on the aggro table, and I've had Rankar in BH51 run a very long ways to get to #2 on the table before.
So distance doesn't really work sometimes, like outer world mobs where you can get far enough away and they reset.
But you can always kite to the entrance, and the boss/mobs will either reset or run down a hall for someone else.
But in the context of the OP's solo situation, it would just be easier to run to the entrance and TP out. Also, in a solo situation the Sin Shadow Escape would essentially reset since there is no-one else on the aggro table.
My point is that, Venos don't really have any real escape advantage over many classes in a mass aggro dungeon situation. A Barb, Seeker, Sin, Mystic and BM for example would survive more easily in a kiting or running to exit situation. (with possibly the exception of a HA Veno which isn't an ideal build for lower to mid-levels).0 -
People are falsely assuming that mystics aren't as great at soloing simply because their pets survival is tied to their own. Mystic is NOT veno. Before the class even came to PWI; we KNEW this from seeing how someone soloed a boss at a significantly lower level than any other class could! It's most often more efficient to heal yourself than a pet while soloing as Mystic. Mystics have Aegis Sphere, Falling petals, defensive plants, etc at their disposal to protect / heal while soloing as well as a summons for extra dd. You can pretty much disregard all posts making claims about soloing based solely on pets vs summons.
Veno with free pet saying they do just fine? - Everyone thinks they're doing just fine until they taste better. Most venos are lazy or fails. Fails are told to roll venos because they're "easy" or they're good at making money (lies). You can't get good advice from most of them as a result. My veno with Lvl102 herc/nix can just barely solo a random daily, just barely or not even solo some tt bosses.
Venos for a long time pined to be able to use phoenix in instances. Mystics have Storm Mistress which isn't even at a legendary pet price! Pull this summons out in a 80-90FF, feed it some MP: and it will be tanking the [?] bosses with mad dmg! It can even range tank with it's first skill (something that allows some common veno pets the ability to tank things only a Herc could otherwise). -( ranged pets )
Mystic is an amazing class, but it's not for the lazy. They out heal clerics (clerics have purify on them though), out solo venos, and cost far less to do right. For end game: other classes are going to pwn in their own respects in regard to soloing only after a ton of effort/coin are sinked into them. None of them are obsolete though.
Mystics aren't MP hogs as some would have you believe either. I pot more with cleric, and wiz.
With mystic; you're pretty much on your own to discover how to get things done. Storm Mistress is an often overlooked summons for example, and ranged tanking isn't common knowledge. Vit Herb is an often over looked healing aid. Mystic's abilities are robust. They're not cut and dry. People will say mystics can't do such and such; then someone will show them they're wrong. It's not a class for idiots.0 -
Mystics seem to be under rated when it comes to veno vs mystic, I've made 3 veno's in the time ive played PW on 3 diff versions, if anything, I personally think veno is the most simpleist character to use, which also makes it insanely boring, in PvE its the same thing pretty much every single mob and boss as well, send pet in to tank, use envenom parasite all day long and perhaps use ironwood parasite if you feel like having your pet hit that lil bit harder, we all know how the debuff **** works so I wont bother with that.
There MP issues though, obviously close to nothing as soon as you get the mp/hp regen skill and the hp/mp swap, that's perhaps one of the best advantages, but thats not really much of an issue now with the way the game is for a few reasons, those being:
You get pots from the stashes at certain levels which will definitelly last you quite a while, you also get those gold reward things from doing BH in which you can swap for a crazy amount of those blue orb MP pots which will also last you ages, but yeah, as soon as your 75 with a mystic or any caster obviously, its easy, but really when you hit 79 with a mystic, you get clear thoughts which just solves all MP problems for PvE, especially at 90 when you can triple spark for even more MP, on my mystic when I do FC, I never have to pot, even when I'm playing the healer because there's no cleric and I res buff everyone, whilst DDing bosses.
Besides, Mob's insta die with a mystic pretty much for ever, you can 2-3 hit just about every mob because of soul absorb, I'll leave this massive block of text alone now as I think it's enough somehow.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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oh, i have all those skills, and love going in squads. its just finding ones that 1) arent making me pay for it and 2) group that stays together, not splitting up just because some can run faster/kill faster. arent we all supposed to be there together to enjoy the experience? it also makes it hard to do my job if i cant take care of my pets...i pull a boss out, usually with my kowlin/dharma, and most often she dies but by then i have my tank out, am in foxform, and purging/amping/etc alongside the tank player. after we get done, everyone takes off, before i get a chance to res/heal my kowlin. so i have to carry extra pets to pull with, though they dont do as well as she does. .
the mad rush through instances isnt fun. when the game started, we used to have more fun, making sure we had killed all the mobs, chatting, taking time to look at the drops we had, and discussing who could use what and swapping things back and forth, then going on. now? people race through as fast as they can, keep what lands in their pocket, and if its good, even disappear from the squad altogether. pickup squads can be the worst at this, though i've been in a few with wonderful people. but most of the time its a tense, hurried, 'watch out for yourself and dont care about the others' kind.
thats why i wind up going off alone somewhere to grind, if i play at all. this has been my 'home online' for years now, but its gotten very lonely. even in the best guilds, everyone nearly is much higher, and dont do the same quests, BHs...so grinding alone and WQ is all thats left....Tsukyini - Raging Tide wrote: »This makes me really sad. At your level, you should be rather easily able to get FC squads. Amp, bramble and sparks are really nice things to have in there.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Uh... HUH? It hasn't changed since it was originally implemented, at least as far as I'm aware.FoxRunning - Heavens Tear wrote: »....venos used to be much easier to solo, before our bramble got nerfed..
P.S. If you quote me, please don't do it in reverse chronological order. b:chuckle[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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