PWI: past V.S. now

Bringing up that people complained about classes leveling twice as fast back then only proves how stupid the posters were. There isn't any kind of opinion on that, they really were dimwitted.

They had people who thought you doubled crit rate to find the boost it gave to average damage, not realizing they were counting the hit twice that way.

They had people who though clerics must be vit clerics, and were the worst class for leveling solo. They were actually the cheapest class of all to solo, and pure int were the fastest killers/best healers.

They had people who believed Vit axe was the only good BM build, and that fists and claws were useless in PvE and PvP.

People believed that only a barb could tank.

All these points were flawed from the get go, even without any of the updates after server opening. People complained about them sure, but it was because they were stupid and ignorant. They had no creative thinking, and mindlessly did the same **** that didn't work, until someone came along and told them otherwise.

And if you do read all the posts, you will see alot of this stuff was being actively disproven. I figured out in the first few months how to quickly level up a cleric cheap, before moving on to fist BM. I was actively building and APS fist/axe hybrid months before packs even came out. The only thing that would have been different if the pack updates and subsequent ones had not appeared, is that I would have been the first 5 APS on Sanc.

So while there were alot of gripes back then, they do not have the same grounding as many today do. BMs would have taken over as preferred tank in instances that did not require barbs. Classes would have faster leveling discovered (such as rebirth was), which would have removed that. Barbs likely would have complained about not being able to be greedy in runs when fisters took over, and every other class still would not have cared about their whining.

People have learned, limits have been tested, and the game mechanics have been discovered and posted on ad nauseum. While there are gripes before and after the updates, they are in no way of the same value. Before it was the clueless idiots who complained, many of the ones complaining today are people who have played for 3+ years and know the mechanics of the game inside and out. Trying to say they are of similar value is rather generous to the older posts.

Everything about good and bad things about PWI has already been said by Knownase so i agree as well on that one.

P.S: Its probably mentioned(too lazy to re-read whole stuff)but game became too much about single class(read making APS 5 build with claws) making any other class pretty much obsolete and cash shop dependent.

I joined the game a month after it started, and as soon as I found the forums I discovered that, "The Game is Ruined!!!!b:cry b:cry b:cry"

Virtually everything people gripe about today, they griped about back then. Apparently, closed beta was a golden-rainbow filled valley of ecstasy and bliss, and thus I had missed out on the PWI Golden Age. *shrugs*

That being said, tough, there have been some huge changes to the game over the years that I have to admit have been pretty damaging:

- Selling Packs
- Selling Power Leveling
- Selling Rank 8/9 for dirt-cheap
- APS making squads obsolete

While the game is still fun, there's no denying it would be more fun if those 4 events had never occurred, because each of them ended up dramatically fragmenting the player-base into haves and have-nots.

WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary wrote: »

Virtually everything people gripe about today, they griped about back then. Apparently, closed beta was a golden-rainbow filled valley of ecstasy and bliss, and thus I had missed out on the PWI Golden Age. *shrugs*

I agree on this. Yesterday has always been better then today.

Imo, the majority of the changes were good, but the main problem is that everything is drawn to ridiculous extend.
I don't mind packs, but why didn't they make the prices untradeable and the amount of packs limited ?
I don't mind that rep became a boutique item, but why at a 95% discount that made r8 boots + weap + leggings, that were superior quality then TT99, cheaper then TT99 just the plate ?'
I actually like that lvling became quite a bit easier, as before it was almost impossible to have a more then 1 "main" + 1 alt that barely lvled, but why did it have to be AND bh, AND exp fcc, AND hypers, AND oracle sales, AND 2x events, AND +exp items, AND bh100 2 rewards ?
I don't mind some class and/or build being specialized in something, but why does every only have 1 or 2 uses only, and being totally worthless (at least in the opinion) outside their domains ?

I have to admit I'm getting increasingly annoyed by all those idiots that make a "job" out of every ingame instance, and rocket science out of their build. They seem to forget that the game is just... a game. Even though it has always been like that (before ppl were "selling" themselves to kill jewel or tank TT, and there always was some build for each class everyone should follow), maybe it's the fact they base it on some fake scientific **** that bothers me. I see a evident correlation between "dps math" being pumped out, and ppl that don't know how to play their toon. Like last bh metal I got lectured by some bm, who HF + poke each mob individually in that bh. Or like when I decided to be nice and take some sin in aba for bh, and he is all about sage sin being such a bad choice and "dps = survivability", then manages to get killed by a normal mob. This is the same kind of stupidity I encounter rl, and it exasperates me that ppl bring into the game all the problems that ruins our real world.

I just hope that PWE will bring back some balance in the game, between classes and towards pve (that really isn't in phase with todays average gear anymore). They introduced the mechanics to do so without hurting non-cashshoppers with the ever-hated tideborn expension : soulforce. It shouldn't be to hard to increase bosses strengt based on the refines on gear. Or to reduce exp/drops when there are not 6 players in range. Or to give wb a rage mode when someone with LA has aggro...

FoxRunning - Heavens Tear wrote: »

In the older days of the game, a squad took seriously the care of all squad members, keeping together, making sure everyone stayed healthy and working together. but now most people(usually assassins) run ahead, killing only what is bothering *them* atm, and not caring about the rest of the squad members. this is rude, for starters, and goes downhill from there.

I think the main problem nowadays is that players are hostile toward each other and distrusting. Nobody really talks in squad anymore. And so they remember the way things used to be done, see someone doing something completely differently and then guess as to their reason. Me, on my assassin. I usually run ahead of the squad if I think it will help. Take frost for example: I'll go get the doors open when the rest of the squad is buffing up at the beginning. In the hallway with the bishops, while the rest of the squad is fighting mobs, i'll go and kill the bishops. Not because I want to run ahead, or because I dont' care about them. Exactly the opposite. It's because I want to use my skills to make the run easier for everyone. The bishops hurt pretty bad if the stun doesn't go off right. The stun never goes off wrong for me, because I can walk right up to them in stealth. I can use shadow escape to get rid of the mobs. Then when all there is, is mobs left. The rest of the squad has it easier. The cleric is less likely to get killed. The barbs repair bills is just that tiny bit lower.

Sure times have changed, but I think if squads communicated more instead of assuming intentions and being quiet, people will be happier.

Empu - Sanctuary wrote: »

I think you got a good point here, that I never really thought off. I would like to know your opinion on following :

Is the fact that bosses and instances in general are so much faster then before (with gear evolution, aps, higher refines, etc), the cause of this ?

I think that may be part of it. But I've been in pretty slow runs where people didn't talk either. Have you ever been in an hour and half TT run where nobody talked? Or a two hour 75-85 FC, and nobody talked? I have, it was dull. It made me want to quit because it wasn't entertaining enough, but I'd never drop squad for something like that. It's just, I think part of it is that (and this is indirecly related to frost I admit) so many players have gotten really clique-y. You got people who quest and bh together, and never anyone else. I hear "I won't squad with randoms" all the time. But if you won't ever meet new people, then you won't make new friends either. Since most of them don't go, not because they are adverse to meeting new friends, but because they question the competency of the squad. It just makes things less friendly, and the "game is dead," "randoms suck," "I dislike frost/bhs/wish for the old days," attitude permeates through the playerbase in the form of bad moods and thus less likelyhood to help. Since new players mostly got help from their faction and not the older players, I don't see them treating even newer players any differently.


For me, the change in the in-game playerbase is worse than anything else. When I think of all the people who would take me into TTs I didn't belong in just so I could get that weapon/complete that quest. Giving me a share of the drops even though I wasn't as much use, or flat out giving me the drops even though they were actually worth decent coin back then. Or who helped me out with my fbs without expecting me to wine it, even though their gear was such that it actually took work to complete it. Or who laughed it off when they died because I made a mistake, and told me how to play better instead of getting mad and calling me fail just because I didn't know any better. It makes me feel nostalgic.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

For me, the change in the in-game playerbase is worse than anything else.

This is something I do agree on, even though I'm not really sure if it's me that notices it more, or if ppl are really worse then before. Something I often repeat ingame or on forums when it's about the state of the game, is : "the playerbase itself is killing the game".

I never looked at it from the angle you showed above though, but I think you have a really good and interesting point. What's the point of an MMO, meaning you play with and against other ppl, when you act like in any normal single player game ...

Hahaha pwi will make as much $$ as it can till *** comes

kanel321 wrote: »

* Spelling could be wrong - been a long time.

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