Mystics vs Venos

theheck0 wrote: »

I didn't said that sapamming amp is useless I just said that serving that role is BORING as hell Being veno in a squad doesn't bring any challenge Our (Mystics) debuff is 40% Attack Rate and 20% defense reduction and really, you got to see closely to skills if you low the defense actually you are doing it to increase damage so amp and our debuff is ALMOST the same. Creeper spam it AND IS AOE

I'll agree that being a veno can be boring. But I find mystics to be equally as boring (except for in RB.) Since most people can get along just fine with cleric heals, assuming there's a cleric in squad, all we're left to do is skill spam just like a veno. Also, venos have a pdef debuff skill as well as amp, and their percentage (40% at level 11, demon has a chance to reduce pdef to 0) is a lot better than ours. Sins also can reduce attack speed by 50%. So really, befuddling isn't that great against bosses because all other classes have debuffs better than ours. Befuddling is great for RB or any instance that involves a lot of AOE, but not so much versus one target.

I'm with most of the others. I'd take either. I've seen Venos and Mystics both that were invaluable for any squad. Yes the res buff is REALLY nice, I don't deny that. But beyond that, the only thing Mystics have that is better are the couple of defense buffs they have. Makes the long pulls in FC a bit safer than before.

That's it really. I'll take either depending on mission and team. Even then, I might not care.

Just don't reply to this thread. It's really stupid overall.

zbzkda wrote: »

Just don't reply to this thread. It's really stupid overall.

This b:surrender

I've played both classes. I got a Mystic up to lvl90. I very much loved and enjoy that class. I still love Venomancer the most though.

And like it has been mentioned, whether Mystic or Venomancer is more useful, that depends on the instance, squad set up, squad capability to do said instance etc. etc. etc.


PS. The MP consumpion disadvantage can affect the squad. Yes it can, when the Mystic is not capable of managing their own MP and ends up being unable to heal even when they're the main/only healer in squad. I've seen this many times b:surrender They go ahead DDing like mad without keeping MP for heals.

theheck0 wrote: »

Ok I know that the thread at the start IS stupid (Im the author) but did you read my another reply Im not hating venomancers I AM CLAIMING justice cuz believe or not venos were outshined by mystics IN SQUAD. Dont bring the solo capacity here plz. Venos were loved by their pets cuz YOU said that other classes have better debuffs so the only thing that venomancers had were the lure capacity with pets (already discarded by genies <.<) so what do venos have amp which is a GREAT skill Lending hand and bramble shield. I dont really want to mention what mystics have again. What I want? More relationship with the pet. Be able to give the pet buffs. And not the pet selfbuffing him I want the buffs more stronger. But this is not gonna happen do you know why? Cause of the awful hercs that give money to the company that is why it wont happen. Aha relationship **** and? Metabolic boost perfomance is AWFUL there are venos out there that cant affor nice gear and we need a skill for survive even if that cost the remove of soul transfusion. There is two things that I want cuz the gameplay of the veno is not really awesome....

Red Lines: Zeal genies have a max range, venos can still lure beyond that. I've seen noobs lure with genie and get multiple mobs or an entire room aggro'd off that genie pull cause they didn't pay attention to range. Noobs are noobs no matter what the lvl especially if they haven't bothered to really learn/understand their char and how to play and to utilize that char to max. Then again I've seen a veno, halt her tank pet work her way about/around a group of mobs pull the exact mob she wants using Zeal, then go back to pet as mob nears pet, pet attacks while veno escapes w/o a scratch.

Magenta Lines: There's more to a veno than amp, lending hand, and bramble. Personally I find it amusing to be in squad starting play my veno like I always have and then have one or more people in squad go, omg you're an old school veno, and add me to FL cause I know how to play my char to the max.

Purple Lines: Talk about Pet buffs...start a veno, start farming Dragon Temple and get the buffs that herc/nix have from the chests there...provided you can actually survive the PVP there and put them on whatever pet you want. Or make the coin and buy them in the auction house, from those that do farm Dragon Temple.

As other players have mentioned, it depends on the squad make up and the instance. While I don't have a mystic nor will I ever (basically I have a veno I don't want another char w/pets), I've run with them in squad. They (mystics/venos) can build on each other. TBH if there's one spot left in a squad that's not going into Rebirth, most are probably gonna be clammering for another aps char, and that's just a fact of life.

Amusing thing to me is personally I think the most boring as hell char would be a 5aps demon BM or Sin. Why cause all they do is spark auto attack, spark auto attack....oh gee wiz I'm soooo pro. Oh and if it's a BM, they might occasionally remember a Heaven's Flame. b:shutup

Debuff wise, Clerics can have a 35% pdef or mdef debuff...which can be overrode by the veno's Ironwood and/or myriad rainbows at a higher %.

People prefer different chars for different reasons. If you know how to play your char well and utilize to the max I'll build the squad anyway I see fit. Even if it's a BH Warsong run for Snakefist and we run with 2 bms (one 5 aps, one below 4), 3 barbs (non-aps), a veno, and cleric. That ran it w/o breaking a sweat and taking the boss down as a team. You don't need to have a sin for every squad, you don't need to have a mystic, you don't need to have a psy, you don't need .... whatever. I've run instances w/o venos, w/o clerics, w/o barbs, and can go on and on.

If you say any specific char isn't that "awesome" then you're not playing the char correctly. I also include aps chars that think sparking and auto attacking is the correct and only way to play an aps char is fail and not playing the char correctly.

thumbs wrote: »

Biggest problem with Venomancers is them under performing in general and making for themselves a negative stereotype.

This right here.

Overall, I think every class is useful in their own way. Certain situations will require certain classes. Heck, like Scarlet said, you don't even need a Cleric sometimes.

thumbs wrote: »

Biggest problem with Venomancers is them under performing in general and making for themselves a negative stereotype. Most are too lazy to amp. Many are too ignorant to have a legendary pet or even use a pet (Warsong Metal is an exception where the pet is more hassle than help if veno has good atk). Squads I'm in on Cleric sometimes have 2 venos and I end up using Dimensional Seal because they're even too lazy to lift their fat heavy finger off the Venomous button to hit Ironwood once in a while.

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

This right here.

Overall, I think every class is useful in their own way. Certain situations will require certain classes. Heck, like Scarlet said, you don't even need a Cleric sometimes.

These...which is why I referred to people calling me an "old school" veno in my original post. I'm sage therefore the only time I'll spam venomous is if I'm in dire need of chi, due to the sage version giving additional chi, allowing me to get built up faster. Even then I'm sending Ironword the minute the icon wears off. I'd rather have me spamming the Ironwood and a cleric the elemental seal in tandem. TBH when I'm on my alts I've been saddened by the ones that are creating the negative sterotype. I hate having to ask for bramble when I'm on a melee char but I find that I end up having to do it too frequently for my tastes.

Pretty sad when you see a request for DDs for 90+ Frostlands run (FC or FF depending on your server) and you're told after a few mins that 98 is too high for the group. b:sad Just goes to show you how badly some of the venos are performing. Yeah should have seen the comments from my faction when I posted that. b:angry

Nine_Lives - Raging Tide wrote: »

Let's just hope that myst can pass that spark on time though b:shutup

b:chuckle

I do BH79 for my faction often, shouting specificaly for a healer (we're a bit short on Clerics at the moment) sometimes takes too much time. People then go like "what?? no Cleric??". Well duh, just be careful and you won't die. They usually don't listen, die and complain b:chuckle

I ended up hating the Venomancer class the most, being my favourite class and seeing others perform so poorly makes me hate it. I did a Nirvana the other night on my Cleric. The Venomancer didn't use Amplify until I reminded her, was very late with the purges, at the 3rd boss (s)he sent Hercules and used follow which made all the foxes run to her and totally mess up the whole thing (when usually a Blademaster lures them and AoEs them) and didn't use Soul Degeneration on running bosses (considering we we had so many deaths, especially at the tyrant boss that's like runeworlf in FCC, it took forever to kill it). I really wanted to kick her out of squad..not that the rest of the squad was good though.

Demon BiTC has a chance to give 25 chi to the target b:shutup

jk

theheck0 wrote: »

I feel very sorry for this troll thread. I have never trolled on forums and I hate trolls >.>. So could you please delete or close this thread. At least for this necro :P Understand that mystics were new to me and fresh meat to me a veno-fanboy. Despite this thread I deleted my mystic I prefer to have one veno and one cleric (who's still 78b:surrender).

My apologize for trolling the forum of a beatiful class .

You sir, have restored some of my faith in the PWI community :'3