Um, newsflash.

I was interested in joining Catalyst for basically one reason:

To see what was so different about them (?). I'd been in several other guilds before, and as a rule, about anything in life I'm pretty serious: I'm serious about my schoolwork, my hobbies, my guitar, my gymnastics lessons, my console gaming, my CoD gaming, and my PW gaming: I don't like to know that I'm wasting my time on the game. If I want to play, and I bought a game, it's because I want to experience the plot and gain maximum enjoyment from it -- that means getting the highest achievements possible in that game, becoming as proficient as possible if necessary to win "properly" and basically ensure that I'm not just wasting my time.

I'd been in several other guilds and as a member, I used my veno (I had Blessing of the Pack on my herc and -36% channeling) to help farm gear for other members in the guild very often, to the extent that from the time I logged in, I would be getting requests for help from lowbies. My own gear was **** though (LOL). But I believed in ripple effect -- if I helped people in the guild, they would feel empowered to come out and attend Territory War with the guild and they would give back and give their all so that in the end I could achieve my purpose: getting to take on the server in TW with a guild of serious players.

In <guild1> I helped people everyday. The guild leader was an aps sage assassin with interval tome and the whole works, and he never wanted to farm anything for anybody -- but he used to attack other guilds in TW all the time, expecting his members to win somehow (?). During 2x drops I had to TELL this leader that it was his obvious duty to help his guild grow. I could run a TT2-2 in about 1hr 30min. He could run a TT3-2 in 10-20 min tops. I got so mad I practically got on his throat and politely kept telling him repeatedly that he should gear up the lvl80+ in the guild. After I relentlessly crushed every excuse (why should I have to do this?) he finally began farming. Eventually me and my "generation" of people who leveled up in that guild got tired and left. I farmed and farmed for people expecting collective benefit: people would attend TW. Nobody attended. We used to get 15 people for TW and look like fools.

After playing in several other guilds after leaving that one, I got more and more tired of being in guilds with players who were in it to fail. It makes no sense -- video games are already a waste of time. You should be doing something else, like planning your finances or something, but you're deliberately taking time off your lifeplans to relax. Why not do it right and achieve something while doing it? I study in University for my degree, and I also work on a hobby OS kernel in my spare time, hoping it will get me somewhere later on. I have plans and things to get done in life. When I take a break from those things, while it is to have fun, it is also to have fun while GETTING SOMETHING DONE. Not just to bumble around wasting time to maximum effect. "It's just a game", and "I'm playing for fun, lol".

YES, and it will be FUN when you're WINNING so that you can efficiently complete your goals and move on to another game. I began to merchant and try to raise my gear cap so I could apply to Kylin. The idea was to eventually apply to catalyst so I could work together with hopefully more serious players to finish off or "beat" the game to my satisfaction so I could feel like I could move on. Then came rank 8 recast and I just decided the game was ****-stupid and quit. I wasn't going to spend any IRL moneyz to get a bigger ep3nis in a oneshot PvP game. Basically, I'm just waiting for G.W.2 to come out, and I put my name on the list of people on Catalyst forums who are going to play when it comes out. I don't have to find out what was so special about Zulu/Catalyst in PWI; I can do that in G.W.2 without the pressure to get OP gear.

People may reply and tell me, "You take the game too seriously": I'd tell them, I barely have enough time to get my own goals accomplished IRL. So when I decide to put on a game, I'm already wasting time not working toward my goals. Why should I also waste that time getting nothing done in game? So I can be like everybody else who "just chills"? And they do the same in real life too -- they "just chill" at school and get mediocre grades. They "just chill" at the workplace and get mediocre pay. They "just chill" at their finances and so that is why they go and Q_Q in Wall Street talking stupidness about "We are the 99%", and want somebody to give them handouts. People go to parties and waste time, money and energy doing stupidness, ruining their kidneys, and racking up medical bills due to substance abuse, and they put themselves in unnecessary danger by interacting with strangers, etc, get *****, assaulted, etc, etc. They refuse to exercise, they "go out and spend time with friends" and waste money trying to keep up with social pressures, buying clothes they don't need, buying extra food, and basically waste their resources. Then they have no money and they sit down and talk stupidness about the "gobberment" and how "capitalism" has made them poor and then they rise in a sudden fit and decide to do stupidness like "Occupy Wall Street". I took the game seriously, like every other game I've played, and like everything I do in real life too b:bye

Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »

The only problem with this is that there are some people that are still under the belief that winning is everything, and that you're not having fun unless you're winning. This is how guilds like Valhalla form. I use Valhalla as an example because let's get real here: name one guild on this map that Valhalla lost to, then didn't run away from them.

I beg to differ -- if Valhalla wanted to win then they'd be serious about it and they'd plan their TWs beforehand, co-ordinate properly, and stop having people like IPK_U_Sin and Wytche running out to enemy base as soon as the TW starts.

Valhalla is just a guild of very stupid people, not a guild of overambitious people. People who like to win wouldn't go into a strategic war mini-game and then repeatedly lose and not correct their approach after weeks of being beaten. Valhalla is a fail guild because they seem to have a collective stupidity that prevents them from acknowledging bad tactics. As far as I can tell, they also lick boots when it comes to keeping their OP members, so when you invite somebody into your guild and you don't want to talk to them about the stupidness they do in TW because you're afraid their ego will kick in and they'll leave and you'll lose an R9, you won't be able to tell people to stop doing stupid things in TW, even if they're caught on video.