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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLeng01KZRc
I went and checked Curses' channel to see what's up in TW these days. Woot, I see Cata steamrolling Kylin as if Kylin is a spit on the sidewalk.
It's not even funny. Curses alone 2 shots everybody in their guild. Go and LOOK and that video and tell me that Catalyst doesn't **** talk just a bit too liberally from their position. I won't say "cashshoppers!" or "TW tribute money millionaires!" or make any kind of guess as to how the characters in there are all so overpowered. I won't even make a sarcastic poke or imply that they bought gear, or whatever -- that's none of my business. Howevever, two things strike me as being so irritatingly obvious that I'm either very stupid, or everybody else is very stupid:
1. It (the video) was pretty disgusting really. The war was really not even fun to watch. I usually take extreme delight in watching Curses' vids, but this was just unentertaining; not because I feel that they're doing anything wrong, but because I just see Cata oneshotting people. Not a fun video to watch. That said, no guild owes anybody anything, so Catalyst isn't doing anything wrong, and they have no reason not to steamroll the server. It's patently obvious that recruitment isn't a viable avenue for Kylin to use for improving the gear par of their members. It is also extremely painfully obvious that 1v1 wars are pure idiocy for Kylin vs. Cata.
2. Tell me, when will Crimson just stop playing ****ing stupid and merge into Kylin? I won't even bother to suggest merging Valhalla into Kylin. I think that will weaken Ky. Look, it's like this:
1. Kylin + Crimson merge.
2. Find a way to co-operate with Valhalla and stack.
3. ???
4. Profit.
This is the most straightforward method to get the fastest results, or at least something similar. At the very least, Crimson should not remain where it is right now as an independent guild. It's very obvious that they're just being r.etarded. Kylin obviously needs the better people from Crimson. Valhalla can be a distraction. I'm sure they can delay Catalyst somewhat enough to attenuate their war so as to allow Kylin to get some victories.
Idk, I'm sitting here from the outside and seeing this as being "pretty obvious", but maybe there's **** I don't know. Maybe Kylin doesn't particularly care to beat Catalyst. Maybe the rest of the guilds don't actually take TW and stuff seriously (?), so the idea of actually proactively advancing themselves beyond to the next level, and taking a calculated, pragmatic decision to just merge and get the best together so they can become a better TW guild doesn't even strike them as being a big priority.
Maybe what they have now is "good enough" (?). I don't know what motivates anybody else, but if I were the leader of either Ky or Crimson, I would have considered a merge from the time this war (the one linked above) took place. It's OBVIOUS the only way for Kylin to get to the next level is for them to merge with Crim and use Valhalla as a meat shield for delaying wars.
Good luck, Harshlands. Illogic ftw.
All that said, it's probably not going to be an issue since when all but two guilds are on the map, people will leave their current guilds to fight the "evil" Catalyst. Troll, flame, discuss, comment, rate, subscribe.
I went and checked Curses' channel to see what's up in TW these days. Woot, I see Cata steamrolling Kylin as if Kylin is a spit on the sidewalk.
It's not even funny. Curses alone 2 shots everybody in their guild. Go and LOOK and that video and tell me that Catalyst doesn't **** talk just a bit too liberally from their position. I won't say "cashshoppers!" or "TW tribute money millionaires!" or make any kind of guess as to how the characters in there are all so overpowered. I won't even make a sarcastic poke or imply that they bought gear, or whatever -- that's none of my business. Howevever, two things strike me as being so irritatingly obvious that I'm either very stupid, or everybody else is very stupid:
1. It (the video) was pretty disgusting really. The war was really not even fun to watch. I usually take extreme delight in watching Curses' vids, but this was just unentertaining; not because I feel that they're doing anything wrong, but because I just see Cata oneshotting people. Not a fun video to watch. That said, no guild owes anybody anything, so Catalyst isn't doing anything wrong, and they have no reason not to steamroll the server. It's patently obvious that recruitment isn't a viable avenue for Kylin to use for improving the gear par of their members. It is also extremely painfully obvious that 1v1 wars are pure idiocy for Kylin vs. Cata.
2. Tell me, when will Crimson just stop playing ****ing stupid and merge into Kylin? I won't even bother to suggest merging Valhalla into Kylin. I think that will weaken Ky. Look, it's like this:
1. Kylin + Crimson merge.
2. Find a way to co-operate with Valhalla and stack.
3. ???
4. Profit.
This is the most straightforward method to get the fastest results, or at least something similar. At the very least, Crimson should not remain where it is right now as an independent guild. It's very obvious that they're just being r.etarded. Kylin obviously needs the better people from Crimson. Valhalla can be a distraction. I'm sure they can delay Catalyst somewhat enough to attenuate their war so as to allow Kylin to get some victories.
Idk, I'm sitting here from the outside and seeing this as being "pretty obvious", but maybe there's **** I don't know. Maybe Kylin doesn't particularly care to beat Catalyst. Maybe the rest of the guilds don't actually take TW and stuff seriously (?), so the idea of actually proactively advancing themselves beyond to the next level, and taking a calculated, pragmatic decision to just merge and get the best together so they can become a better TW guild doesn't even strike them as being a big priority.
Maybe what they have now is "good enough" (?). I don't know what motivates anybody else, but if I were the leader of either Ky or Crimson, I would have considered a merge from the time this war (the one linked above) took place. It's OBVIOUS the only way for Kylin to get to the next level is for them to merge with Crim and use Valhalla as a meat shield for delaying wars.
Good luck, Harshlands. Illogic ftw.
All that said, it's probably not going to be an issue since when all but two guilds are on the map, people will leave their current guilds to fight the "evil" Catalyst. Troll, flame, discuss, comment, rate, subscribe.
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No faction can cash shop more then valhalla. Kylin members can still cs and still do well, unlike valalalalala. Why should anyone merge? Just because they aren't the best?0
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Valhalla is the meat shield b:laugh.
The fact that Kylin lost has nothing to do with gears being incompetitive. TW is ALL about coordination, communication and leadership. You see how Catalyst stack attack one person one at a time in their squad? You see how they heal their squad? Compared to how each member in Kylin seems to be doing their own thing and far from their groups.
So ya, gears has nothing to do with TW. Even if Crimson, Val and Kylin merge into Kysonlala, they will still lose because their coordination is not good enough.
So, stop complaining about Catalyst having OP geared people, not as if Kylin dont have any, and like I said it doesnt matter.
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It takes one R9 to kill an entire squad of R8's. It takes an entire squad of R8's with good coordination to kill one R9. My +12 nirvana bow hits around 1k on a R9 while I take 3-4k from a +12 R9. Obviously, Kylin can improve coordination, but no one who has ever done a TW in this game can watch that tab -> dead -> tab -> dead montage and conclude gear had nothing to do with it. Most of the time he's the only one hitting his target. Several times he switches before his attack finishes because he knows he'll oneshot it. Their clerics heal because they're not dying in 1-2 hits from every archer that looks at them. You guys need to try harder with your propaganda.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Ive only seen a few BMs in cata that were not r9...maybe 3members? Out of the whole faction. The rest are all r9.b:thanks[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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Ligeia - Harshlands wrote: »It takes one R9 to kill an entire squad of R8's. It takes an entire squad of R8's with good coordination to kill one R9. My +12 nirvana bow hits around 1k on a R9 while I take 3-4k from a +12 R9. Obviously, Kylin can improve coordination, but no one who has ever done a TW in this game can watch that tab -> dead -> tab -> dead montage and conclude gear had nothing to do with it. Most of the time he's the only one hitting his target. Several times he switches before his attack finishes because he knows he'll oneshot it. Their clerics heal because they're not dying in 1-2 hits from every archer that looks at them. You guys need to try harder with your propaganda.
Not everyone in Catalyst plays like Curses. It will take at most 2-3 average geared people to kill a random R9 in 2sec. Heck, if that average geared person has skill, him alone is enough to take out one R9. If your faction has good enough coordination, you would have picked out any Catalyst squad quickly.
Simple: Target 1 > 2sec later target dies > Call out next target > continue
Its ALL about coordination really and not gears. I'm sure most people will agree with me on this (make a poll?) Stop giving yourselves excuses. You will never beat Catalyst like that.
If you really really really think gears pwn, then explain why Valhalla gets thrashed in ONE push by Catalyst? Hell, go invite more R9 into your faction if you really believe so.0 -
TwinDreams - Harshlands wrote: »Not everyone in Catalyst plays like Curses. It will take at most 2-3 average geared people to kill a random R9 in 2sec. Heck, if that average geared person has skill, him alone is enough to take out one R9. If your faction has good enough coordination, you would have picked out any Catalyst squad quickly.
Simple: Target 1 > 2sec later target dies > Call out next target > continue
Its ALL about coordination really and not gears. I'm sure most people will agree with me on this (make a poll?) Stop giving yourselves excuses. You will never beat Catalyst like that.
If you really really really think gears pwn, then explain why Valhalla gets thrashed in ONE push by Catalyst? Hell, go invite more R9 into your faction if you really believe so.
for some reason I thought u were trolling cuz of how much bs was in one post lol(\__/)
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TwinDreams - Harshlands wrote: »Not everyone in Catalyst plays like Curses. It will take at most 2-3 average geared people to kill a random R9 in 2sec. Heck, if that average geared person has skill, him alone is enough to take out one R9. If your faction has good enough coordination, you would have picked out any Catalyst squad quickly.
Simple: Target 1 > 2sec later target dies > Call out next target > continue
Its ALL about coordination really and not gears. I'm sure most people will agree with me on this (make a poll?) Stop giving yourselves excuses. You will never beat Catalyst like that.
If you really really really think gears pwn, then explain why Valhalla gets thrashed in ONE push by Catalyst? Hell, go invite more R9 into your faction if you really believe so.
Valhalla gets rolled because they have zero coordination AND catalyst have the same number of R9s. If you really believe that coordination and love will overcome all, let's have a weekend where all catalyst wear TT99s and R8s then TW against kylin, to see how much your coordinations will help against ppl that you hit for 1k while they 1-2 shot you.0 -
Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »Valhalla gets rolled because they have zero coordination AND catalyst have the same number of R9s. If you really believe that coordination and love will overcome all, let's have a weekend where all catalyst wear TT99s and R8s then TW against kylin, to see how much your coordinations will help against ppl that you hit for 1k while they 1-2 shot you.
Just ignore him, its jus another one trying to convince him/herself that its all skills b:laugh(\__/)
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I lol'ed1. Kylin + Crimson merge.
If it happens, that mean the end of the world is near.... b:shocked[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Kylin: thrashtalk everyone, win TWs, serious faction -Dralighte0 -
I really wish my sin was unbanned from these forums.Unban me.0
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all i see is...r9 bows r9 bows r9 bows...ow and yes. more r9 bows0
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Rocketpower - Harshlands wrote: »all i see is...r9 bows r9 bows r9 bows...ow and yes. more r9 bows
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Rocketpower - Harshlands wrote: »all i see is...r9 bows r9 bows r9 bows...ow and yes. more r9 bows
QFT
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I think tf made a great post. He's right, and it's what I've been trying to say all along. Cata's gears are so out-of-sync with the server's atm that there's really NO point in even discussing skill or coordination until this fact is removed and the gears are even somewhat equal.
I'd also like to tell Cata to relax a little, and that it's OK to come out to west arch without people backing you up. I know u can just ask for a 1v1 and get it, and I've done it several times and it was fair, but it's a little ridiculous to see 5 full R9-geared cata roll out to kill 3 ppl in TT99 gears, then sit there and have water cooler talk for the next 20 minutes. (no, Valhalla isn't gonna come, and if they do, it lasts 5 mins b4 the sins come out of the woodwork and *** it up).[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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I'll give you this, but only if the R9 doesn't move, doesn't use any skills or pots, doesn't get healed, is unbuffed and all the average geared players triple spark at the same time. In that scenario, yes, you would be correct.TwinDreams - Harshlands wrote: »It will take at most 2-3 average geared people to kill a random R9 in 2sec.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Ligeia - Harshlands wrote: »I'll give you this, but only if the R9 doesn't move, doesn't use any skills or pots, doesn't get healed, is unbuffed and all the average geared players triple spark at the same time. In that scenario, yes, you would be correct.
Actually, just to nerd it up here, assuming those 3 players are +10 R8 archers with ~27000 base damage triple sparked, all hitting my mystic self-buffed with only verdant shell:
Each archer auto-shots at an average 1360 dps, after factoring in defense level, armor, pvp reduction, and crits. If they are all demon, their attack speed boost raises the dps to 1790.
3 archers combine for a total dps of 5370.
I have ~10100 hp. 10100/5370 = ~1.88 seconds.
So If I was only self-buffed, afk, and uncharmed, and all 3 archers triple sparks and just clicked auto-attack, it would actually take slightly shorter than 2 seconds.
Don't ask me why I went to pwi calc and calculated all that. I just had to know for sure.
Edit: Or, just insert a demon sparked 5 aps sin with +10 dark death thorns and wolf emblem active, and watch him match the damage of 3 archers. trololol.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Burnout - Harshlands wrote: »Actually, just to nerd it up here, assuming those 3 players are +10 R8 archers with ~27000 base damage triple sparked, all hitting my mystic self-buffed with only verdant shell:
Each archer auto-shots at an average 1360 dps, after factoring in defense level, armor, pvp reduction, and crits. If they are all demon, their attack speed boost raises the dps to 1790.
3 archers combine for a total dps of 5370.
I have ~10100 hp. 10100/5370 = ~1.88 seconds.
So If I was only self-buffed, afk, and uncharmed, and all 3 archers triple sparks and just clicked auto-attack, it would actually take slightly shorter than 2 seconds.
Don't ask me why I went to pwi calc and calculated all that. I just had to know for sure.
Edit: Or, just insert a demon sparked 5 aps sin with +10 dark death thorns and wolf emblem active, and watch him match the damage of 3 archers. trololol.
the moral of this story is burnout shouldnt afk for more than 1.88secs
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MrHanky - Harshlands wrote: »the moral of this story is burnout shouldnt afk for more than 1.88secs
around 3 r8+10 archers
It's cool. Due to my immense pelvic strength I only take 1.2 seconds to unload my entire urinary bladder. This leaves me .68 seconds to run to and from the bathroom. Easy.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Burnout - Harshlands wrote: »It's cool. Due to my immense pelvic strength I only take 1.2 seconds to unload my entire urinary bladder. This leaves me .68 seconds to run to and from the bathroom. Easy.
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i take that back we didnt take into account the time it takes them to 3 spark!!b:bye0
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It's the combo of the best gear in the game AND good coordination/ team work that is wins TWs.
Catalyst happens to have both, which means the map is doomed yet again.
Map reset anyone? b:surrender0 -
Its funny because literally every other server has reached an impasse and 2/3 factions of equal strength are duking it out in epic TWs and here we are stuck with this **** b:cryrank 9 - 19% farmed0
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If all the best-geared members from those 2-3 guilds on other servers joined the same guild, they'd have the same problem we do. It's a problem with Harshlands' mentality.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Majora's Mask was the greatest Zelda title of all time. $tfu and accept it, Catalyst.I AGOREY0
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your wrong.Unban me.0
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Ligeia - Harshlands wrote: »It takes one R9 to kill an entire squad of R8's. It takes an entire squad of R8's with good coordination to kill one R9. My +12 nirvana bow hits around 1k on a R9 while I take 3-4k from a +12 R9. Obviously, Kylin can improve coordination, but no one who has ever done a TW in this game can watch that tab -> dead -> tab -> dead montage and conclude gear had nothing to do with it. Most of the time he's the only one hitting his target. Several times he switches before his attack finishes because he knows he'll oneshot it. Their clerics heal because they're not dying in 1-2 hits from every archer that looks at them. You guys need to try harder with your propaganda.
Im not making assumptions but to the best of my knowledge you havent done anything to actively improve your gear since you've been back in the game. If this is true...then in all fairness what do u expect?0 -
Halt - Harshlands wrote: »your wrong.
No **** you. Majora's mask was amazing. It was new and different from the typical 3 dungeon ----> adult link ----> 5-7 dungeon combo, it had a very dark setting and it provided an interesting new gameplay mechanic.
Also this song kicks ***:
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I got an interval tome and +10'd a couple of pieces that won't be replaced by R9. Unfortunately, my guild doesn't pull in 400mil per week so it's been slow going with the coins. Feel free to contribute to my gear if you want more interesting TW's, though.Curses - Harshlands wrote: »Im not making assumptions but to the best of my knowledge you havent done anything to actively improve your gear since you've been back in the game. If this is true...then in all fairness what do u expect?
Also, Twilight Princess was the best Zelda game.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Ligeia - Harshlands wrote: »
Also, Twilight Princess was the best Zelda game.
You would say that, you ****ing asian furry.I AGOREY0 -
Midna > Tatl. Come on, that's not even a contest.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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