R9 Cleric and Venos

TwinDreams - Harshlands
TwinDreams - Harshlands Posts: 90 Arc User
edited November 2011 in Dawnglory (EU)
"In Harshland, the day a cleric or veno obtain their rank 9 weapon is the day they are officially relieved from their duties as healers and debuff-ers, and henceforth promoted to a DD-er and should be treated as such" To what extent do you agree with this statement.

I agree to a large extent because that is what I've observe in Harshland.
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  • Ligeia - Harshlands
    Ligeia - Harshlands Posts: 1,144 Arc User
    edited November 2011
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  • Cytte - Harshlands
    Cytte - Harshlands Posts: 1,044 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    TwinDreams - Harshlands wrote: »
    "In Harshland, the day a cleric or veno obtain their rank 9 weapon is the day they are officially relieved from their duties as healers and debuff-ers, and henceforth promoted to a DD-er and should be treated as such" To what extent do you agree with this statement.

    I agree to a large extent because that is what I've observe in Harshland.

    barely, Valfala is **** because their players believe just that (...and thier leadership but that's a separate issue) When you have unbuffed squads running around in TW you're asking for **** to go downhill, If you have Catabarbs not bieng healed, again you're asking to lose.

    & Clerics have and will be support characters, R9 or not, I dont mind my clerics debuffing & attacking as long as they dont neglect healing

    Venos still have the worst nukes out of all the DDing classes so they're better at debuffing
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  • Burnout - Harshlands
    Burnout - Harshlands Posts: 2,585 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    The reason they're not used as DD'ers is b/c Veno's main nuke is 2.5 sec, while clerics have a 2 sec nuke but on a 3 sec cooldown. That means they have to cycle ****ty spells like wield thunder and thunderball in-between and veno's can only get 4 spells in between a charm tick.

    Wiz meanwhile get slightly-higher-than 2 second spams and -60% resistance debuff, psys get very-slightly-lower than 2 second spams at 25 extra attack levels or mass aoe, and mystics get sub-2-second spams at 50% crit rate.

    Cleric's ult is also really, really bad. The only reason Blade tempest is good is cuz it counts base magic attack twice. This makes it leaps and bounds above any other ult in terms of damage, when a R9 has 22k base mag attack. The only reason BIDS is any good is because it gives a large chance to crit. Anything else won't one-shot a decently geared player, so tempest is just a waste of 2 sparks.

    Finally TW roles: A r9 cleric's IH is completely hax OP. I can normally kill Harolet (some random +12 sin who sharded 5 JoSD in his armor LOL) in 1-2 shots, but w/ a R9 cleric spamming IH on him the fight dragged on for over 5 minutes. When I told the cleric to stop, the sin died a few seconds later. Now imagine that on a class that's actually useful like a R9 archer.

    Veno: You're not gonna kill that R9 archer with barb and cleric buffs by spamming your 2.5 second nuke. No, you have to go into fox form and purge him. What's that? You can't nuke in fox form and purge only has a 10 m range, and going human to nuke while that close means instant death? Why did you get a R9 wep, then?
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  • keripo
    keripo Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    End-game venos should not be PvPing as pure wood mages. What gives venos the ability to kill are their curses and status effect changers, e.g. purge, amp, armour break, and mind break. That's Purge, Amplify Damage, Demon Parasitic Nova, Myriad Rainbow (Human) and Myriad Rainbow (Foxform). Trying to kill someone by spamming their standard nuke is like a fist BM without interval gear poking you. That said, being able to pull off those chain of debuffs involves being able to get in close and tank your opponent's attacks (e.g. sacrificing offensive for defensive), or not be your target's target (e.g. playing a support role).

    Because both wizard and psychics (don't know about mystics - stopped playing roughly at the time they came out) are far better nuking classes than venos (they scale far better, which is quite important considering PW caster-class PvP is about spike damage), putting 9jun on a suboptimal class is a waste. You can try arguing that venos are good DD, but the end result is that there are other classes that, given the same gear, are better DDs.

    9jun for clerics, on the other hand, makes sense as clerics require the highest tank-ability possible (assuming a support cleric and not a metal mage) and are a crucial class. With 9jun giving the best refine returns and bonus stats, there really isn't any alternative. Mystics may have good heals, but mystics don't have plume shell or sage vanguard.

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  • Aizza - Harshlands
    Aizza - Harshlands Posts: 719 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    TwinDreams - Harshlands wrote: »
    "In Harshland, the day a cleric or veno obtain their rank 9 weapon is the day they are officially relieved from their duties as healers and debuff-ers, and henceforth promoted to a DD-er and should be treated as such" To what extent do you agree with this statement.

    I agree to a large extent because that is what I've observe in Harshland.

    I would suggest they continue to assist their squad and use what ever skills they feel will server them (their squad) best in TW. But... that their squad agree on this.

    In TW it's not all about the individual - it's about the Guild, which has broken down into TW squads for the purpose of either winning over land or defending land they already own. So it's not so much about the ME as it is the WE. So -in- TW, do as they are assigned... What ever they do outside TW, more power to them..

    Edit: The posts above me ^ are delving into the semantics of this but I feel it would actually be up to the Guild and the TW Squad that these players are assigned to. Regardless of what we feel is correct for our guild/squad - it might not be the same opinion all around.
  • apex1predator
    apex1predator Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    TwinDreams - Harshlands wrote: »
    "In Harshland, the day a cleric or veno obtain their rank 9 weapon is the day they are officially relieved from their duties as healers and debuff-ers, and henceforth promoted to a DD-er and should be treated as such" To what extent do you agree with this statement.

    I agree to a large extent because that is what I've observe in Harshland.

    Depends on what faction youre talking about. Certain factions only have metal mages and squishy as hell clerics, while others have full clerics( as in healz+DD). A clerics job in Tw more than just spamming heals and buffing everyone, but i guess not all see that.

    As for Venos..not all know what there doing(AKA goons lvled or whatever you want to call it) and thus think that sending nix onto a robe is best option while they stand and hit the robe with magic attacks, thus completely missing the archer who pews them into dust before they even see wtf happened.

    Most peeps want to be OP as possible and forget the strength and weaknesses of their class.

    ive seen wizzies who say kiting is for pansies, clerics who stand and tank melee hits and all sorts of weired and hilarious moves. I dont think i have to say which faction has the highest concentration of those geniuses ;)
  • Burnout - Harshlands
    Burnout - Harshlands Posts: 2,585 Arc User
    edited November 2011
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  • TwinDreams - Harshlands
    TwinDreams - Harshlands Posts: 90 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Burnout - Harshlands wrote: »
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