People don't use g15?

jabq · November 2011

I was wondering, when i view characters in game. Most people are carrying g13's, even though they have full int gear, awesome refines. Is it because they prefer the +4 aps base or don't want to pay the chienkun to transfer the refine, socket, gems?

On the forums it seems that g15 vana claws are the ones to use, so was wondering why i don't see them? Or people prefer to walk around with the g13 pair, and only bring out the g15 pair on special occasions?

Sakubatou - Sanctuary · November 2011

BMs can reach 5.0 with either -.1 on their weapon or a -int tome and -.05 interval. Unfortunately G15s don't refine any better than Deicides or any other Nirvana claws (they refines better than Striking Dragons) so the only increase to damage before add-ons is in the starting base damage.

To drop to 4.0 is a 20% difference in dps and poorer chi gain, which sucks when you are trying to HF and remain permasparked.

The other reason is if you have -.1 gear and every other piece of -int gear you can drop one piece of -int gear, which for most people is 2 pieces of TT99 LA. This means upgrading to R9 on two pieces of gear, trading off potential offense ability for more defense and 2 piece r9 bonus defense levels.

Yes, you can get -.1 interval on G15s but the odds are 1/256 and so "planning" on double -int is basically impossible unless you are willing to spend hundred of millions (7 raptures per recast x 2mil per rapture x 1/256 chance = 3.854 billion average.) So most people go the route of much more defense and G13/SDs as their endgame, rather than less defense and only slightly higher dps.

Sjang - Lost City · November 2011

wel i gues i am only bm that only use full nv and a litle aps i am 2.86 aps of i get my nv pants sec cast andi use nv pole because it has zerk effect moest of the time when sins run whit low hp they will die fast and i got deicide only for farming are just killing barbs they just nasty whit all there hp :S and wel i liek the good def and its looks awesome anyway and R8 sins and some nv sins hit only 100-300 on me so yeah it works for me xD

gl whit ure choice

PirateHunter - Harshlands · November 2011

g15 dps is pretty high http://pwcalc.com/65ab5a02cb5ea628
and here is g13 claws http://pwcalc.com/53ff2e4fe4ffebb3
im sure there is a pretty decent dps on g15 claws compared to g13, and there are many cool stats u can get on a g15b:pleased
But i think this only applies to demons unless u can get double -0.05 int (which only very few has achieved)b:sad

Calestine - Lost City · November 2011

Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »

BMs can reach 5.0 with either -.1 on their weapon or a -int tome and -.05 interval. Unfortunately G15s don't refine any better than Deicides or any other Nirvana claws (they refines better than Striking Dragons) so the only increase to damage before add-ons is in the starting base damage.

To drop to 4.0 is a 20% difference in dps and poorer chi gain, which sucks when you are trying to HF and remain permasparked.

The other reason is if you have -.1 gear and every other piece of -int gear you can drop one piece of -int gear, which for most people is 2 pieces of TT99 LA. This means upgrading to R9 on two pieces of gear, trading off potential offense ability for more defense and 2 piece r9 bonus defense levels.

Yes, you can get -.1 interval on G15s but the odds are 1/256 and so "planning" on double -int is basically impossible unless you are willing to spend hundred of millions (7 raptures per recast x 2mil per rapture x 1/256 chance = 3.854 billion average.) So most people go the route of much more defense and G13/SDs as their endgame, rather than less defense and only slightly higher dps.

The G15 claws apologize that 200 damage and the chance of revenge stat isn't substantial enough when we're talking about 5 APS. When you're under 1k base damage on both claws 200 damage is over 20%, not to mention revenge which ticks very often on APS. Agreed, sage BMs should stick with the -.1 int, but then again their mastery helps make up that difference in damage. As for the defenses I personally use two different sets of adorns, magic and eva, as do most bms I know in any case. What I haven't heard of is interval BMs trashing their unsparked APS by just not wearing 2 pieces of TT99.

TheDan - Sanctuary · November 2011

The only thing G15 is really good for is 5.0 sparked PvE... You lose way too much defense wearing 2 LA against R9 opponents in PvP. I have a +12 G15 fist and a +11 SD and I will always pick +11 SD over the +12 G15s in 1v1 simply because I would rather have 2 pieces of R9 for +10 def level than a marginal DPH difference from G15 and lower APS.

jabq · November 2011

I failed to mention it was PVE only. Thanks for the replies, it helps. I found that the 200 damage unsparked with bp helps a lot when you spark. Makes the cleric/mystic's life easier and you watch your hp bar less.

WeedBuds - Sanctuary · November 2011

People do use G15 and it rocks..
(BTW the barb buff phy and HP were NOT demon or sage, they were lvl 10 ones)
Look at my Phy attk with Nirvana weps +12

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll82/verticoli/2011-11-2014-22-28.jpg

G15 Lunar Nirvana Duel Axes

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll82/verticoli/2011-11-2014-22-34.jpg

G13 Lunar Nirvana Poleblade

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll82/verticoli/2011-11-2014-22-38.jpg

G15 TT Nirvana Fists

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll82/verticoli/2011-11-2014-23-02.jpg

G15 TT Nirvana Fists - with Berserker effect on phy and attk speed

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll82/verticoli/2011-11-2014-23-15.jpg

G15 TT Nirvana Fists - Sparked with beserker

Hope this helps

The dmg of my fists is more phy attack then a R9 +12 sin. Granted they may do more dmg with zerk crits but still.

ICasTBiDS - Raging Tide · November 2011

jabq · November 2011

Thanks for the pictures, WeedBuds they help. I don't mind being 4aps, if i have that kind of damage b:laugh.

Mythsoul - Heavens Tear · November 2011

Raging Tide is a noob server

People don't use g15?

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