Sage Wizzy or Demon Wizzy

for wizzies? flip a coin x]

First of all, do you plan to do TW?

Demon pro's:
more control skills. You get 2 new stuns in stone rain and emberstorm, and your longest ranged stun, Mountain Sieze, get's an incredible 35 meter range.
Pitfall increases it's paralyze chance to 33%, and hailstorm goes up to 50%.
And FoW has a slightly shorter cooldown.

Distance shrink also increases to 30 meters, which can be a pro or a con. It's pretty good if used against a mele, and is then followed up with MS. Otherwise it usually just moves you out of range for even your own spells which can be a pain.


Sage pro's:
You're good at gaining chi. For TW or PvP, that's pretty useful. You get 50 chi a minute from the chi skill, distance shrink only takes 10 chi, and pyrogram will gain you chi like crazy. With a cloud eruption genie, you'll be spamming ultimates like crazy in TW.

And of course BIDS. You have a 50% chance for all your spells (including BIDS itself) to be 30% more likely to crit. In TW where you're hitting multiple people, it procs like crazy and you'll hit some pretty impressive numbers.

There's also other nice things such as blade tempest having a 50% chance to only take one spark, FoW having a small aoe, and dragons breath can stun.


The usual categorization of the two is that sage is for TW, demon is for 1v1 PvP, and if you want to know which is better for PvE then you're playing the wrong class.

It doesn't matter what class you play; you're best off deciding for yourself! http://www.ecatomb.net/skillpwi.php

-Check ALL skills; not just the ones you currently use, and don't ignore the ones you had no interest in. Sage / Demon changes things drastically!

thanks alot for the helpful advice, i'll mainly be doing 1 v 1 though unless i get into a TW guild later on. Does the damage spikes in Sage balance out with the Demon's crowd control?

sutra>morning dew>morning dew>morning dew>morning dew i heal for around 7k a pop with sage version in bank and about to be learned. gg killing whatever i want to heal

thelonelyneko wrote: »

I'm having trouble deciding between going sage or demon. I plan on PvPing a decent amount once i hit 90. So I'm really unsure on what to chose. Any advice?b:question

Both are really, really close now. Much closer than they used to be.

TW: I still give the edge to sage in TW only, and that's only because of chi (less chi for distance shrink, chance to cast BT and MS with only one spark, sage chi skill, chance to gain chi with sage pyrogram) and sage BIDS crit (both on the BIDS and the crit buff after).

PVP (group or especially 1 vs 1): Sage wizards end so many 1 vs 1s with a sage BIDS crit, that I hesitate to say this just a little, but the edge has to go to demon here. Longer range MS, more stuns, longer distance shrink, better pdef with stone barrier, faster channeling with spark.

The only other real consideration imo is gear. I think with sage BIDS and sage masteries, a wizard with lesser end game gear (rank 8 +10) will do better than an equally geared demon wizard. Rank 8, even at +10, has a difficult time even denting some of the end game geared players that are more and more common now. The extra 5% damage from masteries and the giant boost in crit rate for sage BIDS gives a sage wizard, even with moderate end game gear, a much better chance.

But if your going rank 9 +12, etc., culti really doesn't matter much.

thumbs wrote: »

Wiz healing sucks. Wiz should be destroying what ever is killing the Barb instead.

The heal of the wizard is not meant to be a primary heal but lets say your own barb is in the enemies base with the cata and is attacked then fully healing the barb up might help + you can drop in sutra morning dew and heal 3 times if you mana pool is high enough (pure build) even the normal heals are fine and with some chan the heal is pretty good spamable. I mean it will never replace ih or other dot healing spells but its great for giving a huge 1 time hp boost

HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver wrote: »

The heal of the wizard is not meant to be a primary heal but lets say your own barb is in the enemies base with the cata and is attacked then fully healing the barb up might help + you can drop in sutra morning dew and heal 3 times if you mana pool is high enough (pure build) even the normal heals are fine and with some chan the heal is pretty good spamable. I mean it will never replace ih or other dot healing spells but its great for giving a huge 1 time hp boost

mana is nonfactor.