Mystic's Absorb Soul Bypasses Absolute Domain Genie SKill?

Kaitica - Heavens Tear · October 2011

ResMePls - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I'm telling y0u, the skill is 0P. Think ab0ut this with me sl0wly. Y0ur a nice lil arcane just g0t y0ur new cl0thes and feeling sexy. Mystic dr0ps 0ut 0f the blue(Ninja) Nature Vengence-Sleep-3spark abs0rb s0ul. "Y0u think y0ur pr0 huh? 0h nice fail br0 I use d0main n0w kthxbye..."

-Mystic deals 8988 damage

-Y0u died res pl0x........

b:surrender

Absorb soul doesn't show up in damage log.
it looks more like after lysing.

Mystic deals 3 damage.
You have been killed by Mystic.
Cannot perform action when dead.
Cannot perform action when dead.
Cannot perform action when dead.
Cannot perform action when dead.
Cannot perform action when dead.
Cannot perform action when dead.

Edit: @ Neodaystar or something....

Know the cube mob in the middle of 100 second stand rooms?
Yeah absorb soul and those mobs deal the same kind of damage.
Neither show up in log

ZoracGallant - Raging Tide · October 2011

b:laugh

Burnout - Harshlands · October 2011

Yes it does all those things. Yes a triple spark absorb soul can hit for OP levels. Yes you can one-shot a +10 R9 psychic with it.

However, it can never crit, and it also ignores attack levels. This means a +12 R8 is about the strongest you could ever make an absorb soul hit, since it ignores the 90+ attack levels possible with R9.

It also has insane cast time and it's difficult to use in pk unless you use pots/genies.

It's a useful tool for certain situations, but that's it.

Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear · October 2011

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

I think I remember Absorb Soul can be thought of as a 0 damage wood attack but deals physical damage similar to an insta-tick bleed dot. Because it deals 0 damage it is not resisted by immune to damage and because it is wood it is not resisted by immune to physical damage.

Nullify Poison should block it though. The flip side of it ignoring target defense levels is that it will not benefit from caster attack levels when mystics get their R9.

Did a little testing with my mystic vs. my cleric, most of these are probably pretty obvious but I figured I'd test them anyway since Absorb Soul is just full of surprises...

Physical def => Reduces damage
Damage absorption =>Does not reduce damage
Reduced damage % => Does not reduce damage
wood immunity => Does not prevent damage
Bleed immunity => Does not prevent damage
Sutra Power Orb (dmg immune apoth) => Does not prevent damage
Triple spark damage immunity => Does not prevent damage
Extra attack levels (on mystic) => Does not increase damage
Physical defense buff (vanguard icon) => Reduces damage (the added p.def still counts)
Short-term physical defense buff (yellow/blue icon) => Reduces damage (the added p.def still counts)
Magic defense => Does not reduce damage

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 · October 2011

Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Did a little testing with my mystic vs. my cleric, most of these are probably pretty obvious but I figured I'd test them anyway since Absorb Soul is just full of surprises...

Physical def => Reduces damage
Damage absorption =>Does not reduce damage
Reduced damage % => Does not reduce damage
wood immunity => Does not prevent damage
Bleed immunity => Does not prevent damage
Sutra Power Orb (dmg immune apoth) => Does not prevent damage
Triple spark damage immunity => Does not prevent damage
Extra attack levels (on mystic) => Does not increase damage
Physical defense buff (vanguard icon) => Reduces damage (the added p.def still counts)
Short-term physical defense buff (yellow/blue icon) => Reduces damage (the added p.def still counts)
Magic defense => Does not reduce damage

Nice testing... did you test Defense charms? I assume that won't work either. It probably doesn't suffer any air to ground reduction. You could troll pretty hard in PK by triple sparking in the air and attacking from above. The only actual defense seems to be to run away out of range during channeling.

Neodaystar - Sanctuary · October 2011

Kaitica - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Edit: @ Neodaystar or something....

Know the cube mob in the middle of 100 second stand rooms?
Yeah absorb soul and those mobs deal the same kind of damage.
Neither show up in log

Oh yes! I remember......but I think you can activate an IG or AD and avoid that damage. Not really sure on this since I haven't done cube in over a year.

Burnout - Harshlands · October 2011

Neodaystar - Sanctuary wrote: »

Oh yes! I remember......but I think you can activate an IG or AD and avoid that damage. Not really sure on this since I haven't done cube in over a year.

I know triple sparking stops the damage, so I'd assume IG would work also. Didn't test it though.

Hexalot - Dreamweaver · October 2011

Burnout - Harshlands wrote: »

Yes it does all those things. Yes a triple spark absorb soul can hit for OP levels. Yes you can one-shot a +10 R9 psychic with it.

However, it can never crit, and it also ignores attack levels. This means a +12 R8 is about the strongest you could ever make an absorb soul hit, since it ignores the 90+ attack levels possible with R9.

It also has insane cast time and it's difficult to use in pk unless you use pots/genies.

It's a useful tool for certain situations, but that's it.

If you've been following the thread you'll see mystics here claim they can cut the cast time down to two seconds with channelling gear/skills. Considering their plants/pets can stun, it seems more than reasonable that it can be a killer in PK also if played smart.

Only thing going against Mystics really is their arcane squishiness meaning that they can be one-two shot by a multitude of other classes too (including the same Psychics).

thumbs · October 2011

Hexalot - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Only thing going against Mystics really is their arcane squishiness meaning that they can be one-two shot by a multitude of other classes too (including the same Psychics).

Dunno about that. Sage Verdant Shell:

Gains a bonus to Wood, Water, and Physical damage
resistances equal to 90% of your armor.
Lasts for 30 Minutes.

Physical Defense increased by an additional 10%.

Sage Salvation:

Energy Leech can draw the defense from this
summon and grant you a shield which can absorb 4000
damage. You also get a 4500 HP Falling Petals
state which lasts for 30 Seconds.

Mana cost reduced by 10%.
Salvation learns skill: Warp Shield

Weakness is the player behind the Mystic. Mystics have so many tools and options at their disposal that player skill will play a large part in ability.

Kaitica - Heavens Tear · October 2011

Uhh I see that people are talking about things reducing damage of absorb soul.

Yes it directly attacks physical defense, if your Buddha guarded from a bm... we're gonna hit you for like 2 damage with AS /sarcasm

I don't believe it affects defense charms.

PhantomThief - Archosaur · October 2011

Burnout - Harshlands wrote: »

I know triple sparking stops the damage, so I'd assume IG would work also. Didn't test it though.

In light of the post below mine, I retract my statement.

thumbs wrote: »

Weakness is the player behind the Mystic. Mystics have so many tools and options at their disposal that player skill will play a large part in ability.

Without Salvation, sage Mystics would probably have as much p. def. as a Wizard. And, in a PvP scenario, I would think a Mystic would want the stun from the Devil, depending on who they are fighting.

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 · October 2011

Burnout - Harshlands wrote: »

I know triple sparking stops the damage, so I'd assume IG would work also. Didn't test it though.

Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Did a little testing with my mystic vs. my cleric..

Triple spark damage immunity => Does not prevent damage

.....

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear · October 2011

I knew dev. are morons but I didn't expect that they are so big idiots. What will be next. New class with skills like this absorb soul?

Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear · October 2011

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

Nice testing... did you test Defense charms? I assume that won't work either. It probably doesn't suffer any air to ground reduction. You could troll pretty hard in PK by triple sparking in the air and attacking from above. The only actual defense seems to be to run away out of range during channeling.

Just gave that a test too:

Magical defense charms => Does not reduce damage
Physical defense charms => Does not reduce damage
Air vs. ground => Does not reduce damage

I think seekers have the best defense against Absorb Soul since they have a relatively high p.def when buffed by a bm/cleric and they can use Quid Pro Quo to get rid of the debuff that makes AS do double damage. Only due to the cooldown on Quid Pro Quo vs. that of AS it will only work once...

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

Burnout - Harshlands wrote: »

I know triple sparking stops the damage, so I'd assume IG would work also. Didn't test it though.

And before someone starts saying that my timing on the spark might have been off, I let my mystic's salvation auto attack my cleric during the whole thing which the spark resisted, and between those resists AS damage popped up.

Kaitica - Heavens Tear · October 2011

Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Just gave that a test too:

Magical defense charms => Does not reduce damage
Physical defense charms => Does not reduce damage
Air vs. ground => Does not reduce damage

I think seekers have the best defense against Absorb Soul since they have a relatively high p.def when buffed by a bm/cleric and they can use Quid Pro Quo to get rid of the debuff that makes AS do double damage. Only due to the cooldown on Quid Pro Quo vs. that of AS it will only work once...

And before someone starts saying that my timing on the spark might have been off, I let my mystic's salvation auto attack my cleric during the whole thing which the spark resisted, and between those resists AS damage popped up.

Barbarians in true form have highest resistance without lvl 100 skills to absorb soul
Bm's have buddha guard
Seekers have the easiest counter but sort of a waste tbh since no mystic would AS a heavy armor

If any squishy class would be resistant of AS
Demon wizard hands down, then fox form veno, sage wiz and mystic, lastly comes psychics
Clerics are mushrooms

, but they survive more than psys

Deteriorate - Harshlands · October 2011

Kaitica - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Barbarians in true form have highest resistance without lvl 100 skills to absorb soul
Bm's have buddha guard
Seekers have the easiest counter but sort of a waste tbh since no mystic would AS a heavy armor

If any squishy class would be resistant of AS
Demon wizard hands down, then fox form veno, sage wiz and mystic, lastly comes psychics
Clerics are mushrooms , but they survive more than psys

Dunno, Demon SoR and Sage Vanguard both add 100% Pdef iirc. Added onto the normal 60% buff thats one resistant cleric. Plus they can purify the debuff thing (I presume. Havent fought many mystics cos I stopped actively PvPing before the expansion lol. Every mystic ive killed has been a 1-4 shot that oneshot my alts.)

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 · October 2011

I bet sin tidal protection and genie faith skill can block it. Those resist effects.

Kaitica - Heavens Tear · October 2011

Deteriorate - Harshlands wrote: »

Dunno, Demon SoR and Sage Vanguard both add 100% Pdef iirc. Added onto the normal 60% buff thats one resistant cleric. Plus they can purify the debuff thing (I presume. Havent fought many mystics cos I stopped actively PvPing before the expansion lol. Every mystic ive killed has been a 1-4 shot that oneshot my alts.)

Either way demon wiz and veno are highest up there.

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

.....

I was thinking the same thing for sins. Someone go test it.

Lol, stupid quoting on my iPod.

Arenaceous - Lost City · October 2011

I was suggesting using faith too. Full mobility, get rid of the double damage debuff and you got a physical skill that can't crit. Also Dew of Star Protection should work sicne those boost pdef and mdef directly.

ResMePls - Heavens Tear · October 2011

Kaitica - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Absorb soul doesn't show up in damage log.
it looks more like after lysing.

Mystic deals 3 damage.
You have been killed by Mystic.
Cannot perform action when dead.
Cannot perform action when dead.
Cannot perform action when dead.
Cannot perform action when dead.
Cannot perform action when dead.
Cannot perform action when dead.

Edit: @ Neodaystar or something....

Know the cube mob in the middle of 100 second stand rooms?
Yeah absorb soul and those mobs deal the same kind of damage.
Neither show up in log

Damage sh0ws up 0n the screen *facedesk*....

Asgardeus - Sanctuary · October 2011

ResMePls - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Damage sh0ws up 0n the screen *facedesk*....

Nope. Neither the damage of Absorb Soul nor Thicket will show in your damage log.

SoniMax - Sanctuary · October 2011

IT BYPASSES TOO MANY OF MY BUFFS=RIOTSSSSSSSSSSSS b:angry

Kaitica - Heavens Tear · October 2011

Asgardeus - Sanctuary wrote: »

Nope. Neither the damage of Absorb Soul nor Thicket will show in your damage log.

On the screen bro. On the screen you'll see how much it hit if your still not looking where it came from.

OontzOontz - Dreamweaver · October 2011

Why not just interrupt them with lighting chaser?

Salasyn - Heavens Tear · October 2011

Because they can just restart the channeling? Where as Lightning Chaser has a cooldown/genie energy needed.

ResMePls - Heavens Tear · October 2011

Asgardeus - Sanctuary wrote: »

Nope. Neither the damage of Absorb Soul nor Thicket will show in your damage log.

The screen meaning 0ver their heads, 0r y0urs n0t the damage l0g. lrn2readbetweenthelines kthxbyeb:bye.

Selak - Dreamweaver · October 2011

ResMePls - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The screen meaning 0ver their heads, 0r y0urs n0t the damage l0g. lrn2readbetweenthelines kthxbyeb:bye.

Actually when using my Mystic and absorb soul i get no damage in log nor any red spam damage showing above chars head either in fact there is no damage indication at all as far as i can tell, i was wondering if it was only me.

SharkAngel - Heavens Tear · October 2011

^Its there. On my (low leveled) Mystic, I usually see it hit for 4k or so when I use it on mobs. It appears really quickly over their heads as the "orb" flies towards the target.

ResMePls - Heavens Tear · October 2011

Selak - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Actually when using my Mystic and absorb soul i get no damage in log nor any red spam damage showing above chars head either in fact there is no damage indication at all as far as i can tell, i was wondering if it was only me.

Um it is definitely 0nly y0u l0l -_-......

Selak - Dreamweaver · October 2011

SharkAngel - Heavens Tear wrote: »

^Its there. On my low leveled) Mystic, I usually see it hit for 4k or so when I use it on mobs. It appears really quickly over their heads as the "orb" flies towards the target.

Cool, Ty i normally look at target for hit and am watching for interuption of channeling when i cast and shift my eyes during flight to target, will check next time i log char, never too old to learn new things thats why i love this game lol.

Mystic's Absorb Soul Bypasses Absolute Domain Genie SKill?

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