R9, Warsoul, or Nirvana?

Well...end-game wep?

R9
Nirvana
Warsoul


in order of what is best. Also warsoul atm would be around 7.5 or so thousand USD. So that is around 7.5 bil if I remember right...maybe more @_@

If you're going to go r9 at all as a cleric, get the r9 armor set first.

Elanxu - Dreamweaver wrote: »

...although nirvana is many times cheaper...

Just a correction, during the sale, a full Rank 9 set is cheaper than a full Second Recast Nirvana set. I made a spreadsheet to compare. Though this was some months ago and on Harshlands server. I also used a lunar based nirvana set as I liked that better. A TT based set would be cheaper. Though you said that you will prefer farming. So in case you farm the Rapture/Uncanny Crystals then that will make the Second Recast Nirvana set way cheaper. However, the full Rank 9 set is better than the full Second Recast Nirvana set.


Here is the spreadsheet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjWJBqePFkradGtJOUNJSk1qd001ZVBLSFZyNTR5NGc&hl=en_US#gid=0


Hope I Helped ^^

violetvalor wrote: »

Just a correction, during the sale, a full Rank 9 set is cheaper than a full Second Recast Nirvana set. I made a spreadsheet to compare. Though this was some months ago and on Harshlands server. I also used a lunar based nirvana set as I liked that better. A TT based set would be cheaper. Though you said that you will prefer farming. So in case you farm the Rapture/Uncanny Crystals then that will make the Second Recast Nirvana set way cheaper. However, the full Rank 9 set is better than the full Second Recast Nirvana set.


Here is the spreadsheet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjWJBqePFkradGtJOUNJSk1qd001ZVBLSFZyNTR5NGc&hl=en_US#gid=0


Hope I Helped ^^

Somehow I doubt Uncannies cost 1.6m on your server. You should treat Uncanny and Rapture as having separate costs. When it was first released R9 was much cheaper than g15 nirvana but now it is like 1.5-2x more expensive. Still comparable IMO.

I looked around updated the crystals' prices in the spreadsheet. The prices are now much closer but the Rank 9 set is still a little cheaper (unless you farm all or a significant number of the crystals yourself) and more powerful.

Oh and I am just curious since my characters are not 100 yet, how much effort would it take to farm the crystals?

violetvalor wrote: »

I looked around updated the crystals' prices in the spreadsheet. The prices are now much closer but the Rank 9 set is still a little cheaper (unless you farm all or a significant number of the crystals yourself) and more powerful.

Oh and I am just curious since my characters are not 100 yet, how much effort would it take to farm the crystals?

it doesnt take THAT much effort to farm the crystals... clerics are still needed (for most squads) in nirvana and you can now even do caster nirvanas (3 a day i think). rapture crystals (crystals needed for the weapon) are not as common as uncannies but i am sure that if you do your caster nirvanas you will (at the very least) get one so that you can set up a shop to buy them in raging tides. you can farm nirvana with a squad and collect the coin that is farmed from the split and/or sell the uncannys you get from the split to buy your raptures for your weapon. on double drop if you farm multiple runs with the same squad you might even get to split raptures between the squad.

i fully farmed a nirvana weapon before r9 came out and honestly i think it does just fine against r9s for endgame. i was also very lucky to get +20 attack level, magic +18 and crit +1 on my 3rd reforge...

goodluck in whatever you decide

For a cleric the best damage possible in the game is full R9 armor, and a warsoul weapon. Nothing beats it. This will also cost you roughly $35,000 to buy, refine, and shard.

As a cleric, I would simply go full Rank 9. Its not as fun as farming for nirv, because you can only accumulate items for rank gear during a rank sale (efficiently anyways). But same could be said about nirv (2x drops). Either way, the most cost effective way to be epic pwnzor is to go Rank 9. If you wanna be decent, just get a nirvy G13 weapon, and some 1st cast nirv armor.

High end build: http://pwcalc.com/1831b9097e712248
Normal effective build: http://pwcalc.com/cb130f89554526c4

Or you could be like my cleric, and have less than 100mil worth of gear put together on it. And shove close to a billion into your sin >_> your choice.

But if you look at the differences in those builds, the high end one, as in best possible build short of +12ing the armor, is... a lot more expensive than the normal effective build. Both will achieve absolutely everything you want from the game. PK, TW, PvE, you name it.

Edit: and another thing, nirv is easy enough to find as a cleric, mostly only during 2x. Very few people run nirv if it isnt 2x drops. And if you go R9, youll just be running nirv and selling the drops to buy rank items anyways. or TT or whatever it is you farm, not a lot of option end game. TT3-x or nirv, take your pick.

violetvalor wrote: »

That is some good luck! =D
This is encouraging, thank you.

However, I have a couple concerns still. I am confused about the splitting the coins and crystals you are talking about. Is it something like tank chooses first then cleric then so on with the added provision that if there are not enough mats to go around then the total price of the mats gets split among the ones that did not get any mats?

Another concern I have is gear. Or that is not as important as long as I have a G13 or higher weapon and armor, >5000 HP buffed, and as much physical defense as I can get on my cleric?

In response to your questions, nirvana runs in a nutshell: Kill bosses, get items, all items are split evenly, if there are extra items they are sold and split.

Look at it like this, lets say you do a 4 man nirvana run. Your cleric, a sin, a bm, and a veno. You guys kill bosses, each boss drops a "chest", the "chest opener" for the squad picks up the chest, right clicks it, and an item appears. Sometimes you get an uncanny crystal (used in crafting your nirvana armors), sometimes you get something useless, like a mirage, or perfect stone, or a flawless shard. At the end of the run, you pile up everything you have, and split it. Most nirv runs will happen during 2x drops, so each boss will drop TWO chests, (you see why people wait til 2x, takes half as long to farm), so at the end of the run, typically there will be 12 chests with stuff inside. The last boss will not drop a chest, but instead 4 random items, either Rapture crystals (used in nirvana weapons), Uncanny crystals (nirvana armor), or a mirage celestone (worthless). Or any mix of those items, to add up to 4. Maybe 2 raptures an uncanny and a mirage, or something like that.

So lets say at the end of the run, you have 12 chests, and the final boss dropped 2 raptures and 2 uncannies, and in the 12 chests you guys got 7 uncannies, 3 flawless garnet shards, and 2 flawless citrine shards. But how will it be split evenly?? 4 people, but only 2 raptures, and 9 uncannies. Well... each person will get 2 uncannies to themself. The 2 raptures will be sold to a catshop in Raging Tides (outside nirvana) along with the final uncanny crystal, the coins will be split evenly among the 4 people. And the shards will be "randomed out" to the squad. You drop them, wait for them to reset, and then pick them up. whoever they go to gets them. And thats how items are split in nirvana, no picking, no tank > cleric > DD order. Its all 100% even.

On average, during 2x events with a full 6 man squad you will make about a million coins a run, could be 2 mil, could be 500k. If 2x is not on, its about 500k. Honestly, it all depends on the final boss, if he drops 4 raptures, thats 6 mil right there. If he drops 4 mirages, thats zilch. So yea. Chests are like 25% of the run, the other 75% is that last boss.

Uncanny: 375k each
Rapture: 1.6mil each

Im drunk so i probably wrote a lot more than I needed.

No one ever includes the cost of sockets with nirvana though. If you want to get 4 sockets you have to add like 120m per armor on average while it is free with R9 armor.

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

No one ever includes the cost of sockets with nirvana though. If you want to get 4 sockets you have to add like 120m per armor on average while it is free with R9 armor.

not everyone cares about having 4 socket armor

Ebrithalia - Dreamweaver wrote: »

you sure about thatb:surrender i rarely see someone that does not have 4 socket on everything

lol ill reply on my main- i dont have 4 socket everything, nor do i care... b:chuckle i only care about 2 socket weapon.

Cashshoppers care about 4 socket, if youre gonna spend a couple grand on your gear, dont half *** it naw mean?

And the CSers of your server are probably the most prominent.

Ashivas - Dreamweaver wrote: »

In response to your questions, nirvana runs in a nutshell: Kill bosses, get items, all items are split evenly, if there are extra items they are sold and split.

Look at it like this, lets say you do a 4 man nirvana run. Your cleric, a sin, a bm, and a veno. You guys kill bosses, each boss drops a "chest", the "chest opener" for the squad picks up the chest, right clicks it, and an item appears. Sometimes you get an uncanny crystal (used in crafting your nirvana armors), sometimes you get something useless, like a mirage, or perfect stone, or a flawless shard. At the end of the run, you pile up everything you have, and split it. Most nirv runs will happen during 2x drops, so each boss will drop TWO chests, (you see why people wait til 2x, takes half as long to farm), so at the end of the run, typically there will be 12 chests with stuff inside. The last boss will not drop a chest, but instead 4 random items, either Rapture crystals (used in nirvana weapons), Uncanny crystals (nirvana armor), or a mirage celestone (worthless). Or any mix of those items, to add up to 4. Maybe 2 raptures an uncanny and a mirage, or something like that.

So lets say at the end of the run, you have 12 chests, and the final boss dropped 2 raptures and 2 uncannies, and in the 12 chests you guys got 7 uncannies, 3 flawless garnet shards, and 2 flawless citrine shards. But how will it be split evenly?? 4 people, but only 2 raptures, and 9 uncannies. Well... each person will get 2 uncannies to themself. The 2 raptures will be sold to a catshop in Raging Tides (outside nirvana) along with the final uncanny crystal, the coins will be split evenly among the 4 people. And the shards will be "randomed out" to the squad. You drop them, wait for them to reset, and then pick them up. whoever they go to gets them. And thats how items are split in nirvana, no picking, no tank > cleric > DD order. Its all 100% even.

On average, during 2x events with a full 6 man squad you will make about a million coins a run, could be 2 mil, could be 500k. If 2x is not on, its about 500k. Honestly, it all depends on the final boss, if he drops 4 raptures, thats 6 mil right there. If he drops 4 mirages, thats zilch. So yea. Chests are like 25% of the run, the other 75% is that last boss.

Uncanny: 375k each
Rapture: 1.6mil each

Im drunk so i probably wrote a lot more than I needed.

Thank you. This was very informative.

o ye clerics dont go to nirvana anymore sins and bms go alone no need for a healer since bloodpaint so goodluck buying ur way up