Mystic's Absorb Soul Bypasses Absolute Domain Genie SKill?

XEgocentrism - Harshlands
XEgocentrism - Harshlands Posts: 18 Arc User
edited October 2011 in General Discussion
As the title states I'm looking for someone to confirm if this is true or not as I am a r8 psychic and i'm going to go rpking soon and this would really hurt me because I was relying on genie Absolute Domain to help me be able to kill mystics. Ty. b:bye
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  • Retsuko - Heavens Tear
    Retsuko - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,016 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    It's true.

    Now go QQ since you'll now die to mystics.
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  • _Perses_ - Lost City
    _Perses_ - Lost City Posts: 1,917 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    To my knowledge it by-passes a lot of things the psychic has in it's benefit. But domain...idk bout that one o.O
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  • Kaitica - Heavens Tear
    Kaitica - Heavens Tear Posts: 270 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Yeah I'm pretty sure it does.

    Like it doesn't activate souls, reflects, and bypasses will.
    And it goes through Plume shell, the 79 shell, the archer shell (lolz Im pretty sure there too)

    The only thing it doesn't pass is your straight up p'def, from all I've cared to notice.
  • Hexalot - Dreamweaver
    Hexalot - Dreamweaver Posts: 871 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    XEgocentrism - Harshlands wrote: »
    As the title states I'm looking for someone to confirm if this is true or not as I am a r8 psychic and i'm going to go rpking soon and this would really hurt me because I was relying on genie Absolute Domain to help me be able to kill mystics. Ty. b:bye

    Ignores defense levels too from what I understand. b:bye
  • Kaitica - Heavens Tear
    Kaitica - Heavens Tear Posts: 270 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Hexalot - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Ignores defense levels too from what I understand. b:bye

    Yup b:chuckle
  • XEgocentrism - Harshlands
    XEgocentrism - Harshlands Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Retsuko - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    It's true.

    Now go QQ since you'll now die to mystics.

    lol nah unlike other people I know how to play my class so now instead of AD i'm putting Nullify Poison, which gives me 7 sec immunity to wood dmg, since most of the mystics attacks are wood based i'll be immune to them, and Absorb Soul take a while to channel so now my best option is to chain stun them till they die hoping my stuns will interrupt their channeling, if they have a pet out i'll just use my Sage psychics will to gain immunity to their attacks fer 10 seconds which should be more then enough to kill the mystic. So no i won't go QQ instead i'll find another way around them(: Though thanks fer answering my question b:victory
  • X\_Tegus_/X - Harshlands
    X\_Tegus_/X - Harshlands Posts: 34 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    it does go through domain, tested it out yesterday with a friend. I dont know y it does, im asuming its not a mistake but the description of the skill doesnt hint to anything extra like ignoring defense lvls and such so yaa...
  • Typhyse - Sanctuary
    Typhyse - Sanctuary Posts: 3,469 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Kaitica - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Yeah I'm pretty sure it does.

    Like it doesn't activate souls, reflects, and bypasses will.
    And it goes through Plume shell, the 79 shell, the archer shell (lolz Im pretty sure there too)

    The only thing it doesn't pass is your straight up p'def, from all I've cared to notice.
    Yeah it does. I nearly one-shot myself on my mystic by hitting a psy with absorb soul.
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  • Neodaystar - Sanctuary
    Neodaystar - Sanctuary Posts: 1,020 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    XEgocentrism - Harshlands wrote: »
    lol nah unlike other people I know how to play my class so now instead of AD i'm putting Nullify Poison, which gives me 7 sec immunity to wood dmg, since most of the mystics attacks are wood based i'll be immune to them, and Absorb Soul take a while to channel so now my best option is to chain stun them till they die hoping my stuns will interrupt their channeling, if they have a pet out i'll just use my Sage psychics will to gain immunity to their attacks fer 10 seconds which should be more then enough to kill the mystic. So no i won't go QQ instead i'll find another way around them(: Though thanks fer answering my question b:victory

    Sorry if it's a disappointment to you, but soul absorb deals Non-Elemental Damage, not wood damage.

    X\_Tegus_/X - Harshlands wrote: »
    it does go through domain, tested it out yesterday with a friend. I dont know y it does, im asuming its not a mistake but the description of the skill doesnt hint to anything extra like ignoring defense lvls and such so yaa...


    If it can bypass AD, then it will also bypass the effects of IGs and Sutras I assume?
  • Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,864 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Neodaystar - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Sorry if it's a disappointment to you, but soul absorb deals Non-Elemental Damage, not wood damage.

    I think he meant as a protection against mystics' other attacks. They at least need to get Nature's Vengeance off so that Absorb Soul does double damage, otherwise it's still painful but not a killer.
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  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    I don't see what the fuss is about, it's got a 5s chan. Then again the Chihyu pet has a long stun, heh.
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  • Neodaystar - Sanctuary
    Neodaystar - Sanctuary Posts: 1,020 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I don't see what the fuss is about, it's got a 5s chan. Then again the Chihyu pet has a long stun, heh.

    Most casters can easily get -50% channeling with just gear. So that 5 secs can be easily lowered to 2.5 secs.
  • Kaitica - Heavens Tear
    Kaitica - Heavens Tear Posts: 270 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Neodaystar - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Most casters can easily get -50% channeling with just gear. So that 5 secs can be easily lowered to 2.5 secs.

    Demon sparked, rapid growth Absorb soul goes to almost instacast with only 35% channel.
  • MysticHayley - Heavens Tear
    MysticHayley - Heavens Tear Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    with my channel gear on + base buffs + self channel buff it takes me less then a second to cast. sadly in pvp i don't use channel gear. then it takes about 2.5 seconds or so.
  • Neodaystar - Sanctuary
    Neodaystar - Sanctuary Posts: 1,020 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Kaitica - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Demon sparked, rapid growth Absorb soul goes to almost instacast with only 35% channel.

    I am confused, I thought the skill rapid growth says:

    "Increases Channeling Rate by 20%, and gives a bonus to your Magic Attack..."

    reduce rate = ' - '
    increase rate = ' + '

    So shouldn't it be increasing the channeling time of your skills to do extra damage? This makes more practical sense - to put in more time if you want more damage out of it. Like the Archer's skill Take Aim.

    If you recall from the base buff, it states: "Reduce Channeling," so "increase channeling" in this skill description would be the opposite.
  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    And according to PWI, Aim low is a 8 second stun.

    I'd assume you'd realize skill descriptions are fairly unreliable by this point in time.
  • Neodaystar - Sanctuary
    Neodaystar - Sanctuary Posts: 1,020 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Neodaystar - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I am confused, I thought the skill rapid growth says:

    "Increases Channeling Rate by 20%, and gives a bonus to your Magic Attack..."

    reduce rate = ' - '
    increase rate = ' + '

    So shouldn't it be increasing the channeling time of your skills to do extra damage? This makes more practical sense - to put in more time if you want more damage out of it. Like the Archer's skill Take Aim.

    If you recall from the base buff, it states: "Reduce Channeling," so "increase channeling" in this skill description would be the opposite.


    EDIT

    Nevermind. The word time and rate got me confused. I tested the 5 sec absorb soul skill. Using rapid growth, it did indeed reduce the channeling time to 4 secs.

    If you increase the channeling rate, you are then reducing the channeling time b:laugh
  • Kerona - Sanctuary
    Kerona - Sanctuary Posts: 1,771 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    XEgocentrism - Harshlands wrote: »
    lol nah unlike other people I know how to play my class so now instead of AD i'm putting Nullify Poison, which gives me 7 sec immunity to wood dmg, since most of the mystics attacks are wood based i'll be immune to them, and Absorb Soul take a while to channel so now my best option is to chain stun them till they die hoping my stuns will interrupt their channeling, if they have a pet out i'll just use my Sage psychics will to gain immunity to their attacks fer 10 seconds which should be more then enough to kill the mystic. So no i won't go QQ instead i'll find another way around them(: Though thanks fer answering my question b:victory

    <- Lol'd irl.

    Mystics can activate a 6 second anti-stun by absorbing their pet. Absorb Soul is NOT wood damage, but physical. You CAN interrupt their casts with Landslide, but they can also knock you back out of landslide range. Psy Will will not protect you from the caster, or Absorb Soul.

    @ Bon QuiQui - Mystic plant sleep, their pet stun, or Thicket's seal, are all longer than 5 seconds.
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  • Jasriana - Heavens Tear
    Jasriana - Heavens Tear Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I don't see what the fuss is about, it's got a 5s chan.

    Exactly. Nothing to see here.

    Move along...
  • ZoracGallant - Raging Tide
    ZoracGallant - Raging Tide Posts: 1,624 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    truekossy wrote: »
    And according to PWI, Aim low is a 8 second stun.

    I'd assume you'd realize skill descriptions are fairly unreliable by this point in time.

    He said Take Aim not Aim Low
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  • PhantomThief - Archosaur
    PhantomThief - Archosaur Posts: 232 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    ZoracGallant - Raging Tide wrote: »
    He said Take Aim not Aim Low

    I think they were just trying to make the point that skill descriptions can be incorrect at times, using another archer skill as an example.
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  • HexOmega - Dreamweaver
    HexOmega - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,342 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    just poopin in

    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/11299


    a must have for every mystic

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  • XEgocentrism - Harshlands
    XEgocentrism - Harshlands Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Neodaystar - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Sorry if it's a disappointment to you, but soul absorb deals Non-Elemental Damage, not wood damage.





    I know that, so now my next question is if i stun them will that interrupt the channeling of absorb soul?
  • Longknife - Harshlands
    Longknife - Harshlands Posts: 4,843 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    XEgocentrism - Harshlands wrote: »
    lol nah unlike other people I know how to play my class so now instead of AD i'm putting Nullify Poison, which gives me 7 sec immunity to wood dmg, since most of the mystics attacks are wood based i'll be immune to them, and Absorb Soul take a while to channel so now my best option is to chain stun them till they die hoping my stuns will interrupt their channeling, if they have a pet out i'll just use my Sage psychics will to gain immunity to their attacks fer 10 seconds which should be more then enough to kill the mystic. So no i won't go QQ instead i'll find another way around them(: Though thanks fer answering my question b:victory

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  • XEgocentrism - Harshlands
    XEgocentrism - Harshlands Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Kerona - Sanctuary wrote: »
    <- Lol'd irl.

    Mystics can activate a 6 second anti-stun by absorbing their pet. Absorb Soul is NOT wood damage, but physical. You CAN interrupt their casts with Landslide, but they can also knock you back out of landslide range. Psy Will will not protect you from the caster, or Absorb Soul.

    @ Bon QuiQui - Mystic plant sleep, their pet stun, or Thicket's seal, are all longer than 5 seconds.


    i KNOW absorb soul doesn't do wood dmg, and does non-elemental dmg, i meant i would used Psychics Will so that I would gain Immunity to their Devil's pet. I know that Psy's Will will only protect me from physical attacks. I've been playing my class fer over a year so i know how my class works. b:chuckle
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    I think I remember Absorb Soul can be thought of as a 0 damage wood attack but deals physical damage similar to an insta-tick bleed dot. Because it deals 0 damage it is not resisted by immune to damage and because it is wood it is not resisted by immune to physical damage.

    Nullify Poison should block it though. The flip side of it ignoring target defense levels is that it will not benefit from caster attack levels when mystics get their R9.
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  • PhantomThief - Archosaur
    PhantomThief - Archosaur Posts: 232 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    The flip side of it ignoring target defense levels is that it will not benefit from caster attack levels when mystics get their R9.

    Which is probably a good thing...

    Could you imagine if it ignored defense levels but was buffed by attack levels?

    I think we'd have a new candidate for the most OP class in PvP.
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  • XEgocentrism - Harshlands
    XEgocentrism - Harshlands Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I think I remember Absorb Soul can be thought of as a 0 damage wood attack but deals physical damage similar to an insta-tick bleed dot. Because it deals 0 damage it is not resisted by immune to damage and because it is wood it is not resisted by immune to physical damage.

    Nullify Poison should block it though. The flip side of it ignoring target defense levels is that it will not benefit from caster attack levels when mystics get their R9.

    No, Nullify Poison only blocks Wood Damage, and Absorb Soul is NON-ELEMENTAL damage. So Nullify Poison won't block it.
  • ResMePls - Heavens Tear
    ResMePls - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,349 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    I'm telling y0u, the skill is 0P. Think ab0ut this with me sl0wly. Y0ur a nice lil arcane just g0t y0ur new cl0thes and feeling sexy. Mystic dr0ps 0ut 0f the blue(Ninja) Nature Vengence-Sleep-3spark abs0rb s0ul. "Y0u think y0ur pr0 huh? 0h nice fail br0 I use d0main n0w kthxbye..."



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  • Neodaystar - Sanctuary
    Neodaystar - Sanctuary Posts: 1,020 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I think I remember Absorb Soul can be thought of as a 0 damage wood attack but deals physical damage similar to an insta-tick bleed dot. Because it deals 0 damage it is not resisted by immune to damage and because it is wood it is not resisted by immune to physical damage.

    Nullify Poison should block it though. The flip side of it ignoring target defense levels is that it will not benefit from caster attack levels when mystics get their R9.


    I think you are correct about it being an Instant DoT damage. The skill description clearly states it's a non-elemental damage attack. I remember using the attack on a Magic Increase Defense mob, and no damage was reduced. So it can't be wood damage, and the skill description is correct.

    I tried testing the skill using IG, Expel, and Nullify Poison, and the attack got through all three types of defenses.

    Picture showing all 3 cases

    IG apoth - immunity to all damages - result: damage got through
    Nullify Poison - immunity to all wood damage and wood effect - result: damage got through
    Expel - immunity to physical damage - result: damage got through

    The strange thing is, I have damage log turned on, but no damage appears in the log, so your hypothesis on that it is a DoT type of damage is correct, a massive physical DoT damage.


    -A skill that can bypass any type of defense
    -Can take less than 2 seconds to channel (with channeling reduction skills and gear)
    -Only has a 2 sec cool down
    -Combo with Skill Nature's Vengeance to deal 2x the damage (but can't crit)

    Yep, that's pretty OP. Makes me wonder if I should get r9 for my mystic instead of seeker.

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