dont u think sins is too powerful in pvp 1 by 1 ?

u must have never pvp with a cleric before... thats real imba + OP, no kiddie

duuuuuiiiittttt wrote: »

i
n potion for seeing sins in stealth mode only can make by faction member who hve land in RT.. see.. its more give sins freedoom in stealth...

mybe if we can just buy that potion in apoth or making it with tokens it will be nice... b:chuckle

Lol dude, just go do the theater of blood event.
can make plenty of stealth apo there if you dont die and lose your hearts collected..
actually damn alot cheaper and easyer than making with herbs >,<.

oh and ofcourse is sins OP, there need to be a class for people that cant win otherwise .

only reason I dont do the event anymore, is cos its too late in weekdays, and I dont want to in weekend or forget it lol. Have the pet form the event anyway, so dont matter XD.

Yami_ - Dreamweaver wrote: »

If you find Sin OP why you don't create one? Seriously I don't understand those people at all...

It's people like this. b:spit
Mentality: (Sin wins all the time... Kinda boring but... I've got it! I'LL MAKE ONE AND WIN! Winning will make up for the bordem, cos I just wanna win)

and I hope OP is just being a slowpoke for trolling purposes.

Angels_Age - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Wizard response to: sealth+stun+3spark+ocult+sleep/stun

upon stun -> use expel

3-spark -> Force of will

occult/sleep/stun -> Essential Sutra + Cloud Eruption/White Tea + BIDS

if you are efficient at your class, you can kill any other class.

And then he/she will QQ for using genie and apoth.

Yep way to go.

Angels_Age - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Wizard response to: sealth+stun+3spark+ocult+sleep/stun

upon stun -> use expel

3-spark -> Force of will

occult/sleep/stun -> Essential Sutra + Cloud Eruption/White Tea + BIDS

if you are efficient at your class, you can kill any other class.

Jezus this is BS like Everest.

Of course assassins can kill quickly and easily in 1v1 situations, especially against robe wearing classes or light armor classes. That's like, um, what assassins have done throughout history (and the history of RPGs in general as well). Hiding in a shadow, leaping out in ambush to strike a critical point of their target with a dexterous dagger attack.... Why should someone barely strong enough to wear a heavy cloth robe while walking be able to live through a skilled dagger strike to the throat? If they are prepared that's something else, no assassin in his right mind would attack a powerful mage who's expecting it. Oh wait, that's all role-playing stuff, none of that here please, only my numbers vs. your numbers and pixel animations for eye candy.

Assassins that attack me better damn well kill me in one hit, and hiding until I am not prepared would also be smart. I don't mind, I am made for war, a frail little fish who can stand at the back lines and use the very earth and waters to destroy my enemies en masse before they can get near. An assassin in a city siege is rather superfluous (yeah, they can kill clerics and sometimes others, but um, what class can't kill clerics?).

Every class has it's strengths and weaknesses, learn yours and you can beat any other class. Every class can learn apothecary skills, if you don't use apoths appropriate to your class or genie skills to balance your weaknesses you have no reason to complain. If you stand still waiting to be attacked by an assassin, you deserve it, fly/run/jump, or hell, run to safe zone, they will call you names, but wtf is force stealth but a little portable safe zone for scared fishes?

Zarni - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Of course assassins can kill quickly and easily in 1v1 situations, especially against robe wearing classes or light armor classes. That's like, um, what assassins have done throughout history (and the history of RPGs in general as well). Hiding in a shadow, leaping out in ambush to strike a critical point of their target with a dexterous dagger attack.... Why should someone barely strong enough to wear a heavy cloth robe while walking be able to live through a skilled dagger strike to the throat? If they are prepared that's something else, no assassin in his right mind would attack a powerful mage who's expecting it. Oh wait, that's all role-playing stuff, none of that here please, only my numbers vs. your numbers and pixel animations for eye candy.

Assassins that attack me better damn well kill me in one hit, and hiding until I am not prepared would also be smart. I don't mind, I am made for war, a frail little fish who can stand at the back lines and use the very earth and waters to destroy my enemies en masse before they can get near. An assassin in a city siege is rather superfluous (yeah, they can kill clerics and sometimes others, but um, what class can't kill clerics?).

Every class has it's strengths and weaknesses, learn yours and you can beat any other class. Every class can learn apothecary skills, if you don't use apoths appropriate to your class or genie skills to balance your weaknesses you have no reason to complain. If you stand still waiting to be attacked by an assassin, you deserve it, fly/run/jump, or hell, run to safe zone, they will call you names, but wtf is force stealth but a little portable safe zone for scared fishes?

^^ +1 also only a fool tanks a demon spark

I thought we are well beyond the point of discussing whether or not assassins are op. They are probably even OP without stealth.
Let's see for the 100th time, they have:

- 50% Chance to evade EVERY debuff
- Unlimited Chi
- Every sort of disable available, even a 9 seconds freeze that gives (!) half a spark. (Does any other class even have a 9 second freeze?)
- One shot protection skill
- 2 Teleports just in case the target actually succeeds to get away from the stealth ambush
- The best dps ingame
- Zerk on a weapon that is able to reach 5 aps
- The possibility to end and start every fight when and how they want it. Like starting the fight two sparked with a stun on top of the ranged fighter and ending it when the fighter used up his genie and pk pot (like faith + IG) just to have a chance to fight back. A lot of OP geared sins just aoe from stealth, faith + IG, restealth, repeat. This leads to stupid scenarios like a squad standing outside SZ and a sin attacking over and over again, always killing 1-2 without the squad being able to do anything.
- Also the easiest time farming ingame, meaning that sins are mostly better geared on average

The best proof is that everyone and their mother rerolled sins for PvP. And you know what? I can fully understand them. I got a sin as well, but I don't pvp on it. I feel like dirt if I do. It's just an easy mode class for people who either don't have the skill to play a real class or have such a small ego that not constantly winning in pk does severly affect their mental health. Sry, but how can pking on a sin be fun?

zarni, the thing is you cant do anything
nothing at all about it

what kind of balance is that?

as far as i know nobody can see a lvl105 sin before they unstealth

ya unless u waste apoth as 105 urself maybe

sin can come back with full chi and all skills he needs to kill you before your apoth cooldown is done

so much for open world pk, maybe you dont wanna fight the same person (sin) over and over again




i dont understand why devs concentrated so many overpowered pk skills in one class
and combine high dph and dps in it as well..

getting hit for 15k with that initial stun skill out of stealth while having 17k pdef is fun lol

Psst, Zarni.... wanna know why APS in PvP isn't as effective for... say... a BM as it is for a sin? Because you can SEE the BM coming. Even if the squad was bunched up for whatever reason, at least they could see a caster coming to AoE and react appropriately. With an assassin, they don't get that luxury.

Oh and your skills as a class mean jack against an equally geared sin who isn't stupid (about 1% of sins). Unless extremely unlucky, a sin should win/draw in any 1v1, assuming the sin isn't an idiot and we're talking a roughly similar level of gear.

Of course, everything I've mentioned should be common knowledge by now, so I don't see why it flies past most people's heads still.

I guess I am biased toward Territory War instead of open world pvp, too much trash talk and e-peen measuring in open world pk. In TW is where I see sins "balance", although it's not balance in the sense of a fair, even fight in all situations. They dominate easily in open world, but in organized warfare they are less useful. In TW it's very hard to watch every single ranged class to see if they might be attacking. There are so many aoes going off from all sides, it's hard to stay in stealth, unless you don't go near your own faction mates at all.

I only started playing PWI about 4 months before the tideborn expansion, and leveled my first characters quite slowly, even for the time, so I did very little PvP before sins were facerolling everyone. What I noticed then, and still notice now, is people are most angry about being killed without the opportunity to react. The main complaints long ago were venos phoenix pet and endgame wizard/archer weapon damage on HA/AA respectively, the things that could one-shot.

I think the real imbalance now is r9 weapons vs. everything, sins just have a particularly nasty r9 weapon to go with all their other nastiness. Yes, stealth should be nerfed a bit, or something effective added to counter it, a genie skill perhaps. Rank 9 weapons, especially refined over +10, will blast through any armor far too quickly.

Before rank 9 was available, someone with armor of an equal level and refinement to their enemy's weapon would be able to survive long enough to react in most cases.

Anyway, I wasn't trying to argue that sins are balanced, more giving a RPG based reason why they are imbalanced. PWI went way too far making them powerful, especially endgame, but the idea that they should be able to overpower most people in surprise 1v1 fights is sort of valid.

Heartz - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Hope no1 bite me in my ***, for the lazyness of not covering names.. lol


http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/153/thetherpet2.jpg/


random pet smoke/fire every like 20-30 secs..
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/3/theaterpet.jpg/

Ehh not bad but was hoping it would be bigger :S

Arenaceous - Lost City wrote: »

It usually ends with the squad leaving completely bored after some time. The sins seem to enjoy it for whatever reason...

Yeh that's what I don't get. Me, I get an adrenaline rush from PK if I'm going up against someone I view as a challenge. But if I was to go kill a lower lvl, there's no rush because there's no challenge.

But when an equivalent geared sin comes along it's able to **** everything within 2-3 seconds. I don't get how they could possibly get any fun from that when there's no challenge. Seems kinda pointless to be PK'ing at all if everything is easy yet they all do it...don't understand it at all.

Alexandreus - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Sins aren't OP.

They're easy kills for a Psychic.

Sure didn't seem that way when I won 80% of our fights b:avoid