What is Power Leveling?

Ojji - Archosaur
Ojji - Archosaur Posts: 19 Arc User
edited October 2011 in General Discussion
OK so my friend and i where having a discussion on what it really is, we both have different opinions.

My idea of power leveling is a much lower level character in party benefiting from exp of mobs being killed and etc, example of this is lowbies buying fc runs/heads in game.
Zhen parties with people in your lvl range i dont consider Power leveling, it's simply a AOE party.

Her opinion is zhen/aoe parties are all power level, even doing fc with members close to your level, which i disagree because if gaining large amounts of exp during a short period of time is considered power lvling, then what is the TideBorn quests considered?
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  • Ikarium - Dreamweaver
    Ikarium - Dreamweaver Posts: 631 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    I'd go more along the lines of how you do it.

    Running FC with a normal squad for normal exp would not be power levelling to me. Running the same FC with hypers on at 12x would be. Because you paid (either coin or rl cash) to get a huge exp bonus to speed up your levelling. IMO

    Same goes for zhen/aoe parties. Goshikii chain isn't power levelling. Its a lot of exp, but still an unhypered quest chain that requires you to do some stuff.

    Delta, again, not as its quest based and requires some effort in most cases.

    Stacking hordes of Brainpower orbs from bh100 II, yes. Cause you can literally stand in Archo and click your way through many levels at a time.
  • Kathikins - Dreamweaver
    Kathikins - Dreamweaver Posts: 30 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    In my opinion:

    Anything you do with hypers, and anything you couldn't do without a higher level assisting you, is power levelling. Also oracles.
  • Veri - Lothranis
    Veri - Lothranis Posts: 127 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Ojji - Archosaur wrote: »
    OK so my friend and i where having a discussion on what it really is, we both have different opinions.

    My idea of power leveling is a much lower level character in party benefiting from exp of mobs being killed and etc, example of this is lowbies buying fc runs/heads in game.
    Zhen parties with people in your lvl range i dont consider Power leveling, it's simply a AOE party.

    Her opinion is zhen/aoe parties are all power level, even doing fc with members close to your level, which i disagree because if gaining large amounts of exp during a short period of time is considered power lvling, then what is the TideBorn quests considered?

    Your right... In general term power leveling is like that, but in this game if someone hyper's in FC or zhen(Oracles etc.) its considered power leveling far as i know. Using the term like that isnt exactly wrong either since its more powerful then normal means of leveling.
  • Ojji - Archosaur
    Ojji - Archosaur Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Veri - Lothranis wrote: »
    Your right... In general term power leveling is like that, but in this game if someone hyper's in FC or zhen(Oracles etc.) its considered power leveling far as i know. Using the term like that isnt exactly wrong either since its more powerful then normal means of leveling.

    So a friend of mine told me people zhenned before hypers where even out, using the 50% more exp item, do you consider that power leveling as well?
  • Ikarium - Dreamweaver
    Ikarium - Dreamweaver Posts: 631 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Ojji - Archosaur wrote: »
    So a friend of mine told me people zhenned before hypers where even out, using the 50% more exp item, do you consider that power leveling as well?
    I would. Cause you paid for the bonus. It was the preferred method of power levelling back in the day.
  • Veri - Lothranis
    Veri - Lothranis Posts: 127 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Ojji - Archosaur wrote: »
    So a friend of mine told me people zhenned before hypers where even out, using the 50% more exp item, do you consider that power leveling as well?
    Ikarium - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I would. Cause you paid for the bonus. It was the preferred method of power levelling back in the day.

    +1 Why wouldnt i consider it power leveling ? unless everyone gets it for free like x2 event.
  • Ojji - Archosaur
    Ojji - Archosaur Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Ikarium - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I would. Cause you paid for the bonus. It was the preferred method of power levelling back in the day.

    I really dont see how parties of people with similar levels killing mobs to gain exp faster can be power lvl but i guess this community is somewhat different from what im use to.

    Do players actually enjoy questing for months to get to a decent level?

    And solo grinding with hypers also considered power lvling? because i do this a lot on water mobs. I dont see a prob with it ;x
  • Ikarium - Dreamweaver
    Ikarium - Dreamweaver Posts: 631 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    I'm not sure why you are so concerned about what is and isn't.

    Basically the rule of thumb is going to be...if you paid for a bonus (+50% or hypers), then you are paying to go above and beyond the normal exp rate of the game. Paying to level faster = power levelling. Same with hiring a high level to solo FC or whatever for you and paying for Oracles.

    Zhen w/o hyper not. Zhen with hyper/ESO is.
  • Ojji - Archosaur
    Ojji - Archosaur Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Ikarium - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I'm not sure why you are so concerned about what is and isn't.

    Basically the rule of thumb is going to be...if you paid for a bonus (+50% or hypers), then you are paying to go above and beyond the normal exp rate of the game. Paying to level faster = power levelling. Same with hiring a high level to solo FC or whatever for you and paying for Oracles.

    Zhen w/o hyper not. Zhen with hyper/ESO is.

    Tyvm for your opinoin though it disagrees with my own i understand your point.
  • Veri - Lothranis
    Veri - Lothranis Posts: 127 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Ojji - Archosaur wrote: »
    I really dont see how parties of people with similar levels killing mobs to gain exp faster can be power lvl but i guess this community is somewhat different from what im use to.

    And solo grinding with hypers also considered power lvling? because i do this a lot on water mobs. I dont see a prob with it ;x

    Parties of similar leveling grinding together without esos or hypers isnt in my opinion power leveling, but once you add something that not everyone can acquire it becomes power leveling.

    Yes be it solo grinding esos or hypers your using power not everyone can use thus its power leveling.
  • Ojji - Archosaur
    Ojji - Archosaur Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Veri - Lothranis wrote: »
    Parties of similar leveling grinding together without esos or hypers isnt in my opinion power leveling, but once you add something that not everyone can acquire it becomes power leveling.

    Yes be it solo grinding esos or hypers your using power not everyone can use thus its power leveling.

    Everyone has access to Hypers and Esos, i dont cs nor do i intend on doing it, i farm mats and do TT, merchanting for coin and etc, i use hypers to gain more exp, why wouldnt players make use of a item available to help them level faster? the whole idea behind questing is to level up your character so you can enjoy game at later content, dont get me wrong, i do my quests but not all of them give exp thats actually noticable. but i cannot see the reason why people think grinding with hypers is a problem, doesnt take a year to learn a char unless your stupid, no offence to anyone.
  • Ikarium - Dreamweaver
    Ikarium - Dreamweaver Posts: 631 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Ojji - Archosaur wrote: »
    but i cannot see the reason why people think grinding with hypers is a problem, doesnt take a year to learn a char unless your stupid, no offence to anyone.
    I think there's confusion over the terms. Grinding with hypers in not a problem. You're still paying to power-level, but its not a problem.


    The power-levelling people have a problem with are things like people below lvl75 getting into FC and hypering that well before their time. Or the FC goonz glitch. Things like that.
  • Ojji - Archosaur
    Ojji - Archosaur Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Ikarium - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I think there's confusion over the terms. Grinding with hypers in not a problem. You're still paying to power-level, but its not a problem.


    The power-levelling people have a problem with are things like people below lvl75 getting into FC and hypering that well before their time. Or the FC goonz glitch. Things like that.

    Thank you again, this cleared up a few things.
  • Veri - Lothranis
    Veri - Lothranis Posts: 127 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Ojji - Archosaur wrote: »
    Everyone has access to Hypers and Esos, i dont cs nor do i intend on doing it, i farm mats and do TT, merchanting for coin and etc, i use hypers to gain more exp, why wouldnt players make use of a item available to help them level faster? the whole idea behind questing is to level up your character so you can enjoy game at later content, dont get me wrong, i do my quests but not all of them give exp thats actually noticable. but i cannot see the reason why people think grinding with hypers is a problem, doesnt take a year to learn a char unless your stupid, no offence to anyone.

    I have zero / nada / null problems with power on the contracy im all in for power leveling if the game doesnt offer all aspects of the game at lower levels(Skills, content, events etc.). I just personally considering anything that goes above the normal exp rate to be power leveling.

    Passive exp bonuses from items, parties and events is normal leveling.

    Something that you have to pay for to get like Hypers, Oracles, Esos, Heads and even using outside assistance for leveling (See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experience_point Power-Leveling and the part about payed power leveling).
  • Ojji - Archosaur
    Ojji - Archosaur Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Veri - Lothranis wrote: »
    I have zero / nada / null problems with power on the contracy im all in for power leveling if the game doesnt offer all aspects of the game at lower levels(Skills, content, events etc.). I just personally considering anything that goes above the normal exp rate to be power leveling.

    Passive exp bonuses from items, parties and events is normal leveling.

    Something that you have to pay for to get like Hypers, Oracles, Esos, Heads and even using outside assistance for leveling (See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experience_point Power-Leveling and the part about payed power leveling).

    Yes i found that link earlier though it kinda agreed with hers and my own points, What i had confused was what was accepted in the community and why players had negative opinions on it, some seem to think you dont learn your character unless you spend months killing mobs.. which is so........well.
  • Michalko - Heavens Tear
    Michalko - Heavens Tear Posts: 23 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Ojji - Archosaur wrote: »
    What i had confused was what was accepted in the community

    I dont hate power-leveling, what I dont like is the person behind the comp that dont have a clue about what they should do in-game, esp. if they're still bragging they're good at it.

    But if the person admit they just not good at playing the character, regarding they had power-leveled or not, I dont have a problem with them.
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  • Ikarium - Dreamweaver
    Ikarium - Dreamweaver Posts: 631 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Ojji - Archosaur wrote: »
    Yes i found that link earlier though it kinda agreed with hers and my own points, What i had confused was what was accepted in the community and why players had negative opinions on it, some seem to think you dont learn your character unless you spend months killing mobs.. which is so........well.
    NO, there's just a definate line between whats generally acceptable and what isn't.

    Hyper grind, hyper zhen, hyper FC (within your lvl range, no goonz), goshikii chain, and so forth are all valid and accepted.
  • Jay_Dubbz - Lost City
    Jay_Dubbz - Lost City Posts: 385 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    I'd say anything you use extra to gain levels fast is power leveling. Things like martials arts scrolls, hypers, oracles, or simply using money is power leveling in my opinion. You could try to say that AOE/zhen parties or just getting exp quickly is power leveling but then what would you call it when pwi has a 2x exp event. Would you say everyone was power leveling because of that boost of exp in short time.

    I used to think hypers were a bad thing because everyone was all of a sudden leveling to 100 when they came out. But then I thought to how slow leveling was back then. It used to be a pain for me to level since I never used to do my quests back when there was no bh, hypers. The problem is really not the hypers, it is simply pwi's lack of any end game content. Its kinda like they released the game and just thought oh no ones going to get to lvl 100-105 so we just wont make any content for those levels. Then they made leveling easier then theyre like oh ****. And now they just don't really care, just they wanna feed everyone packs and sell people power
  • X_Rays - Sanctuary
    X_Rays - Sanctuary Posts: 198 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Definition:

    If the average rate of leveling in the population is x levels per day, and the standard deviation is s, then p is called the rate of power leveling if p > x + s. p is called the rate of cash-shopper's growth if p > x + 2s. If p > x + 3s...b:shutup

    Refer to the diagram below to see the percentages.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Standard_deviation_diagram.svg
  • Yamiino - Heavens Tear
    Yamiino - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,031 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    For me, powerleveling is basically:

    - Gaining big amounts of EXP in any way that was not designed to be like it is now, including paid services (coins, gold, trades).

    Examples:

    - Head Hunter (BHs were not available at the begining, it is used now, as an easy shortcut to level up)
    - Oracles (Again, it's "questing" yes, but you're paying for a big amount of exp for one monster)
    - Hypers (Nothing to say, pure powerlevel)
    - Brainpower Orbs (as well, sit and click to level up)
    - Crazy Stone and World Quest (it is pure heavy EXP given to you for very low).
    - Esotericas (a small version of hypers)
    - Pills (those pills that you get from quests can be stacked and can give you some levels without working for the actual EXP)


    What is not powerleveling:
    - Normal questing (that you need to collect X drops from X mob, or kill X number of mobs to unlock the next chain of the story)
    - Grinding (killing mobs yes FC is included, with or without squad mates, without involving hypers and such).


    People say, but CS and WQ is not powerleveling!, these two were not available when PWI was released if I can recall correctly... they were relased later, around the same time of HH release I believe.

    Some others say, but what if you're level 90 and you end with no quests left, big deal, before, people had to grind a whole day to get what 2-5%?...
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  • Knownase - Heavens Tear
    Knownase - Heavens Tear Posts: 6,959 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Honestly, power lvling to me is just using FC+Hypers anywhere at lvl 80 or below, mainly because you gain multiple lvls per run usually.
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  • Ikarium - Dreamweaver
    Ikarium - Dreamweaver Posts: 631 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Yamiino - Heavens Tear wrote: »

    People say, but CS and WQ is not powerleveling!, these two were not available when PWI was released if I can recall correctly... they were relased later, around the same time of HH release I believe.
    No.
    I cannot say if they have always been a part of the game, but I do know I was doing them well before HH was introduced. This was big exp back then. It was almost a highlight to get to the level of WQ so you could fly around the map for an hour to gain 100k exp. It was alot o.o
    And WQ was in existance before the auto path feature was added. So you had to fly to each NPC manually.

    WQ, I'm leaning toward it being an original part because you still get random objects that, as far as I know, were part of the housing system.

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