Sage/Demon - Squads

geochris
geochris Posts: 108 Arc User
edited October 2011 in Venomancer
I just got my veno to lv89 and I was about to go demon except that I was talking to some people and they said that it is hard for a demon veno to get into nirvana squads. Although Sage has some great skills based on the descriptions I like the demon skill set a little better.

Do demon venos have a harder time getting into squads?

I am a vit-AA veno and I only foxform for purge/amp/myrad and I don
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  • Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear
    Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,681 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Demon Parasitic Nova
    Demon Ironwood
    Demon Lending Hand

    I think those make demon venos nice to a squad
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  • Arshies - Sanctuary
    Arshies - Sanctuary Posts: 666 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    At least in Sanctuary server you may not have a problem to join any vana squad, first you have to reach lv100 OfC.

    Sage Amp. 30% more dmg
    Demon Amp. 6 sec longer.

    If you are good veno the squad will want you.
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  • Eoria - Harshlands
    Eoria - Harshlands Posts: 6,118 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Nirvana squads only care about if you have level 11 amp or not.
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  • tfi3f
    tfi3f Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Eoria is right: as long as you have lvl11 amp you will get Nirvana.

    In theory really, amp is not the best damage amplifying skill in a veno's arsenal anyway. A veno is a huge damage amplifier regardless of culti choice. Armour and mind breaks are much bigger damage amplifiers than amp is, so if a veno has his/her 79 skills his/her culti choice doesn't actually matter since his breaks will be doing better amps than his Amplify Damage.
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  • Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear
    Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,681 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    tfi3f wrote: »
    Eoria is right: as long as you have lvl11 amp you will get Nirvana.

    In theory really, amp is not the best damage amplifying skill in a veno's arsenal anyway. A veno is a huge damage amplifier regardless of culti choice. Armour and mind breaks are much bigger damage amplifiers than amp is, so if a veno has his/her 79 skills his/her culti choice doesn't actually matter since his breaks will be doing better amps than his Amplify Damage.

    I guess it depends. Amplify hits always (except for immune-to-amplify bosses.) Breaks are a luck game. Both combined is the best solution.
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  • Azura - Lost City
    Azura - Lost City Posts: 2,281 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Ok, if a squad can kill a boss w.o amps in about 40 seconds, then yeah sage amplify is better because it amplifies more, just a little bit more though. Sage Amplify Damage increases the damage a target takes by 30% for 20 seconds. Demon Amplify Damage increases the damage a target takes by 25% for and last 6 seconds more, so it last 26s. So:


    ...................Duration..............Amplify %
    Sage.............20s......................30%
    Demon......... 26s......................25%
    Lvl10.............20s......................20%

    In my opinion 5% is not a big deal, and sometimes you may prefer a demon amplify for its duration, specially if your squad is not able to domain the seal attack from bosses.

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  • Aijou - Harshlands
    Aijou - Harshlands Posts: 280 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Sage or Demon doesn't matter. As long as you are good at your class and your role in the squad and have a reputation for it, then people will want you. Personally I'm a demon veno and I have no problems whatsoever getting a squad for what I need. I've only been rejected for nirvana once or twice, but that was because it was a squad of cocky 5aps players who thought they could down a boss in 20 seconds.

    Sage and Demon amps are REALLY even if you ask me. One being 5% more amp'd and the other being almost permanent.

    Demon venos would probably get into caster nirvana easier I think, because of their wood debuff as well. (Demon Venomous scarab) With mystics being the most popular class for caster vana, I can see how -30% wood damage can be a good addition.

    The only thing I must say I've had a hard time getting squads for is/was FC. Most people around your level will not have had many good experiences with venos, so they won't know what they're either missing out on by not taking one or just know of them as a waste of pixels.

    I was rejected FC many times for several reasons. Some even being "Veno isn't a DD". Although we are primarily a support class, having pets that hit harder than most of the squad is a very nice thing.
  • Marengo - Lost City
    Marengo - Lost City Posts: 771 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    You'll be ok with any culti if you know your char well and get most important skills, ppl care less if its sage or demon lately. As for magic nirvana i made a lot of successful runs with 10lvl amp before i lvled it to 11 and was never asked what's my amplify lvl is xD I don't see any sence in following stereotypes. After all it's your char and it's you who will play it and who will need culti bonuses first of all.
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  • Aijou - Harshlands
    Aijou - Harshlands Posts: 280 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    If someone asks you what level your amp is you can just lie.

    No one will notice and no one knows jack about venos anymore so they won't know the difference.
  • Lythianaa - Dreamweaver
    Lythianaa - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,307 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Aijou - Harshlands wrote: »
    If someone asks you what level your amp is you can just lie.

    No one will notice and no one knows jack about venos anymore so they won't know the difference.

    LOL, I wonder if there is someone who is that obsessed to actually notice b:chuckle
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  • Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear
    Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,681 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Lythianaa - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    LOL, I wonder if there is someone who is that obsessed to actually notice b:chuckle

    There are people who actually calculate their damage and note down the difference with each kind of amplify. It sounds exaggerated but there are bored people out there o.o

    Anyway @OP , getting Demon/sage amplify benefits you over anyone else, Especially when soloing
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