Psy VS Mysy !!!

If u cant kill a mystic, then you should reroll a class that you can easily faceroll with. b:bye

From personal experience from tw and pvp and pk i rely alot on my genie to take down a mystic, the way I take a mystic down is as soon as a mystic attacks I hit Nulify Poison on my genie, I have Nullify Poison lvl 10 so that gives me 7 seconds of immunity since Mystics magic attacks are all wood-damage based and Nullify Poison makes me Immune to wood fer a total of 7 seconds I have just become immune to all magic attacks from a mystic, I am sage and i have sage psychics will so after Nullify Poison i hit Psychics Will, so bascically now I have just become Immune to any attacks from a mystic's pets fer 10 sec, after I do that i try to kill the mystic as fast as I can, mystics tend to have low hp so if i use a regular 1 spark, then use Landslide they're basically dead because that will take out all their hp without a chance to heal, if they're attacking from a distance my best option is Sandball Clash or Glacial Shards to stun/silence them and then kill them with Aqua impact/Spirit Blast

LiquidAcid - Lost City wrote: »

Well from personal experience in TW against mystic are easy to kill. All I do is hit F1 or F2, I'm sure once Rank 9 is out for EG i will worry but till then no.

exactly, rank 9 mystic will kick ***.

Lost_Soul - Raging Tide wrote: »

sorry, but us psychic's will always take down you mystics :Pb:victory

not when absorb soul bypasses all of our buffs (including psy will) and ignores att/deff lvls be warned when EG get r9 no one will ever complain about psy's ever again (as exceedingly rare that is)

XEgocentrism - Harshlands wrote: »

From personal experience from tw and pvp and pk i rely alot on my genie to take down a mystic, the way I take a mystic down is as soon as a mystic attacks I hit Nulify Poison on my genie, I have Nullify Poison lvl 10 so that gives me 7 seconds of immunity since Mystics magic attacks are all wood-damage based and Nullify Poison makes me Immune to wood fer a total of 7 seconds I have just become immune to all magic attacks from a mystic, I am sage and i have sage psychics will so after Nullify Poison i hit Psychics Will, so bascically now I have just become Immune to any attacks from a mystic's pets fer 10 sec, after I do that i try to kill the mystic as fast as I can, mystics tend to have low hp so if i use a regular 1 spark, then use Landslide they're basically dead because that will take out all their hp without a chance to heal, if they're attacking from a distance my best option is Sandball Clash or Glacial Shards to stun/silence them and then kill them with Aqua impact/Spirit Blast

Have to correct there, even without pets there are still two ways without genie to hit without wood damage. Absorb soul, which will do nonmagic damage (AKA counts as physical), despite its obscene channel time (helped by -chan skill) and the unconventional lysing, which is rare to see used for its damage, but the damage is a nice bonus on top of the plants' effects. Creeper would decrease your defenses and cast speed, spidervine would hurt your attack power, and listless can sleep you for 13s, more than enough to wait for your immunity to wear off.

Not saying it's an end-all tactic, just that it's something to consider. I like your strategy, it's fresh and would easily keep a mystic thinking and kill them if they didn't figure out what was happening or stay on their toes, but it has its loopholes.

Lost_Soul - Raging Tide wrote: »

sorry, but us psychic's will always take down you mystics :Pb:victory

Obviously never fought a mystic who knows what psy buffs do?

XEgocentrism - Harshlands wrote: »

From personal experience from tw and pvp and pk i rely alot on my genie to take down a mystic, the way I take a mystic down is as soon as a mystic attacks I hit Nulify Poison on my genie, I have Nullify Poison lvl 10 so that gives me 7 seconds of immunity since Mystics magic attacks are all wood-damage based and Nullify Poison makes me Immune to wood fer a total of 7 seconds I have just become immune to all magic attacks from a mystic, I am sage and i have sage psychics will so after Nullify Poison i hit Psychics Will, so bascically now I have just become Immune to any attacks from a mystic's pets fer 10 sec, after I do that i try to kill the mystic as fast as I can, mystics tend to have low hp so if i use a regular 1 spark, then use Landslide they're basically dead because that will take out all their hp without a chance to heal, if they're attacking from a distance my best option is Sandball Clash or Glacial Shards to stun/silence them and then kill them with Aqua impact/Spirit Blast

I'm not sure what mystics you have been fighting but if anyone uses Nullify Poison I would either just kite them or summon a sleep pet on them and spam heal myself if kiting is not an option, and it is very unlikely that they would stun me during their nullify time but if they do, well I have a genie too :b Psychic Will will only save you from devil, but personally I rarely use devil in PvP except when I need to avoid gank or against someone I can finish fast anyway. Storm will still hurt you during psy will, but I find salvation to be most useful against psys(or maybe fish in general). Just park her somewhere she won't get aoed and I get a free 3k dmg shield every 15 seconds :b You could kill her, but that obviously leaves you open to my own attacks...

Khiren - Lost City wrote: »

Have to correct there, even without pets there are still two ways without genie to hit without wood damage. Absorb soul, which will do nonmagic damage (AKA counts as physical), despite its obscene channel time (helped by -chan skill) and the unconventional lysing, which is rare to see used for its damage, but the damage is a nice bonus on top of the plants' effects. Creeper would decrease your defenses and cast speed, spidervine would hurt your attack power, and listless can sleep you for 13s, more than enough to wait for your immunity to wear off.

Absorb Soul does inflict physical dmg, but it kinda works like an instant 1 tick physical dmg DoT with a certain elemental impact. This is why absorb soul goes through psy will and expel, but certain mobs like Kun Kun and Staunch Worms resist it. I'm not sure which element because I have never tested it, but I heard nullify poison doesn't block it so my next guess would be heart of steel. Also, the lysing dmg for plants is actually wood dmg for listless at least, which imo is really the only plant worth lysing in PvP so if they have nullify poison up, it not only blocks the negligible wood dmg, but they don't get slept either, it really is best to play defensive when the opponent is immune. Also, listless lyse sleeps for 12 seconds, not 13.

From my experience playing mystic psys are one of the easiest classes to beat especially when equally geared, and while playing a psy they are really frustrating to fight mostly because they can not only heal most of their hp in less than a second, but also because the falling petals buff helps them survive earth vecter easily. One strategy that I have not personally tried would be(assuming you have full chi) use Tide Spirit, use an earth skill like sandburst, then with your increased channeling, slip in a surprise soulburn. Since after taking the increased dmg earth attack they're first reaction would be to heal, they also will have no way to see and prepare for the incoming soulburn insta-casted. Never tried it personally, but I could see it working.

Actually no, my bad, it is 13... Idk what I must've been smoking. <.<; Although in real time it technically is 12 because the durations of debuffs like seals and stuns that don't last very long last about a second less than their description says, really noticeable for FoW and lvl 11 storm mistress seal.

Scorf_Wade - Sanctuary wrote: »

Well i find most of the comments here weird and gotta admit only 1 real psychic replied this thread , speaking of absorb soul , for those mystics who say its physical guess what its not ,l as it bypasses psychic will. But despite this move being superior , most of the people forgot its channeling , even if you can speed it a psychic with black voodo , tide spirit and a successful stunning earth vector can handle the rest of your Hp with any last hit , about the guys that speak about soulburn , well alright i agree the move is amazing but to be honest a real soulburn can be achieved with a +12 weapon and yea its very nasty , now to the last point i rarely find a psychic using that superior skill Disturb Soul , this can badly badly turn the tables. Increasing Channeling time of the opponent by 100% actually makes a mystic's absorb soul or heal look like a real slow-mo replay.
Returning to the main point of the thread dueling a mystic would be one of those
1-black voodo , soul of retailation , Tide Spirit at (3..2..1) , Earth Vector , step a lil back , Crystal light , just put anything left to win the duel (maybe Glacial Shards)
2-white voodo , soul of stunning , psy will , soulburn , disturb soul , earth vector , switch to black , back a bit , crystal light , and kill

of course some of the mystics can bypass those steps but not the most and still they will have a hard time beating you

The point was not "OMG MYSTICS PWN PSYS TROLLOLOLOLOLOL," if you actually read what mystics said, we were just defending the "mystics are not simply punching bags" side of this. Absorb soul does do physical damage. It is not a physical attack, but since it is "non elemental" damage, it counts as physical. The fact that it bypasses psychic will, absolute domain, plume shell, etc. is because it is not a physical attack. Nobody said it was. It does physical damage, but in the form of a DoT tick most likely.

Yeah, +12 psys can destroy just about everything. On equal playing fields, however, psys are not guaranteed a victory. Duels are not open PvP, so don't compare it like that. You don't know if or when a fight will start, who starts it, what buffs are had, etc. You also seem to forget that, even if you can slow a mystic's channel, they can sleep you for 13 seconds, stun you, seal you, shove you too far away to use your close-range attacks, gain immunity to stuns/etc. along with higher crit/higher m.attack/a damage absorbing shield depending on their pet.

I am not saying that a mystic can destroy a psy any time, but you are extremely closed-minded about how PvP works and are very biased towards your class. The most challenging thing about fighting a mystic would most likely be that they have so many options on how to go about fighting you, so you do not always know what to do. Do a bit of research and you will be better equipped to fight decent mystic players; as you currently are, I expect you to get facerolled by a competent player. And since you were talking about duels, when I duel for practices, I tend to test out different tactics against each class. A mystic in a duel can absorb their pet before it starts to avoid initial stuns (stuns are common opening moves) or plan to use their pet to deal damage while you attack the mystic themselves. They could drop a plant before anything starts to give themselves a basic IH stack (vital herb stacks its heals). There are a wide variety of options, and you don't consider nearly any of them aside from your basic "I'll stun them and roflstomp. Duel/fight over."

Not sure why people would bother responding to Scorf's post. The fact that he thinks using disturb soul right after soulburn and vecter right after that is an effective strategy shows that he'd come off as a very clumsy PvPer if you saw him pking. Not to mention that he would rely on skills like glacial shards and crystal light for DDing a mystic or even consider using white voodoo against one also discredits his post quite a bit. And let's not forget the fact that he's one of those people who would list a chain of skills and expect everything to go his way and seems the think that none of his opponents have or know how to use a genie. It's funny because just a thicket or listless is enough to shut both of these strategies down, while he would do virtually nothing to the mystic if they had leeched salvation earlier. Soulburn is easily kited. Too close? Bramble Tornado channels faster :b

Well, got nullify poison today and it helps a lot. Feels really good to have a much easier time with mystics on a psy now. All it does really is give you some time to wait through petals and stun with vector while they don't have the HoT. Also, didn't think this would be necessary to say till I read scorf's post, but always use earth skills unless you want to immobilize or get another aoe on pets and no white voodoo lol

LuciferV - Raging Tide wrote: »

Demon mystics...r9 +12 ones with max channeling combo u can thru 3 absorb soul in a row (with demon spark) no psy can live even in white voodoo..

coming from an R9 psy from my server you comment just sounds plain dumb actually.

here's you answer to your survival..ONESHOT THEM!

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »

r9s can't one shot r9s. Especially when its a psy vs another arcane...

But then again, you should know that...

Dude if you're talking about luci here he's R9 +12 EVERYTHING.

He oneshots everything.

So it's plain dumb for him or he's obviously trolling if he says he's scared of sissy mysticsb:bye

Question, is the dmg absorbed by retaliation reduced in PvP or not? Since it's technically not dmg.

Also idk why people always say that absorb soul can go through AD... It can't. I heard that it can in duels, but I know as a fact that AD works on it in open PvP.

gunslot wrote: »

Question, is the dmg absorbed by retaliation reduced in PvP or not? Since it's technically not dmg.

Also idk why people always say that absorb soul can go through AD... It can't. I heard that it can in duels, but I know as a fact that AD works on it in open PvP.

Yes, both damage absorbed, and damage reflected by retaliation is affected by pvp. Additionally, both of these values, along with damage reflected by retaliation, are ALSO affected by attack level, therefor voodoos make a big difference.

In general, going black voodoo will be more affective at getting SoR to absorb a smaller amount of damage, and white voodoo better for high damage, even though black means SoR absorbs more.

Arctix - Dreamweaver wrote: »

http://pwcalc.com/70515458c1d7c888

Atleast that can bypass 12k hp with a triple spark soul smasher

yummy...nothing can possibly survive this