Suggestion for SP PK'ing

Shasynn - Heavens Tear · October 2011

Evanera - Heavens Tear wrote: »

What is this I don't even...

U dont understand what i mean?

Retsuko - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Personally i don't care about Secret passage being pk or not. If you need to do a quest, simply ask someone to help you pass, and most likely they will.

ARE U SURE WHAT ARE U SAYING?????

TODAY I ASK SEVERAL TIME TO LET ME PASS BECAUSE I HAD TO AID A LOW LEVEL TO KILL SILVER FROST....AND SEVERAL TIME THEY KILL ME.

1) HEAVENS TEAR IS A PVE SERVER WHY STAFF INTRODUCE PVP

2) WHY PVP IN SP WHERE LOW LEVEL HAD TO PASS FOR THEIR CULTI AND BH?????

Shasynn - Heavens Tear · October 2011

By The By I Have Only A Suggestion To Give The Staff

If U Have To Introduce Pvp In Heavens Tear, Do It In A Place Where All Players Not Need To Go For Quests, Bh, Culti And So On!!!!

Because If I Like To Play Pvp, I Subscrive Myself In A Pvp Server, Not In A Pve!

Otherwise, Ppl Who Like Pvp, Please Change Server, Nobody Impose Them To Play In A Pve Server.

That's Clear?

I

Retsuko - Heavens Tear · October 2011

Shasynn - Heavens Tear wrote: »

ARE U SURE WHAT ARE U SAYING?????

TODAY I ASK SEVERAL TIME TO LET ME PASS BECAUSE I HAD TO AID A LOW LEVEL TO KILL SILVER FROST....AND SEVERAL TIME THEY KILL ME.

1) HEAVENS TEAR IS A PVE SERVER WHY STAFF INTRODUCE PVP

2) WHY PVP IN SP WHERE LOW LEVEL HAD TO PASS FOR THEIR CULTI AND BH?????

lol
pwi staff didn't make it PvP. It was china who did it. If you're curious why they made it pvp, i advise you to learn chinese and troll their forums instead.

And no, you don't have culti in SP, and you don't have to go through SP for BH.

Olbaze - Sanctuary · October 2011

Zarni - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Sweet irony there.

(If the "emotional reactions" you enjoy provoking in others are types of pain, you sorta fit the definition of ****. "Psycho", assuming you mean psychotic, is something else entirely, no worries there.
And telling someone to watch less TV, then immediately quoting a popular movie, makes me laugh. So, thank you for that, I like to observe how convoluted some people's self-justification for general asshattery can get.)

By "emotional reactions" I mean any kind of reaction where I can observe a loss of rationality and control. Whether it's caused by pain, anger, annoyance, disappointment is pretty much irrelevant.

And by "psycho" I meant "psychopath" or "sociopath". Not that I'd be one.

Trust me, the TV thing and quoting The Dark Knight was completely intentional on my part. However, I do think that Alfred's quote describes a certain group of people really well. The associating with Batman and Joker and a really good movie is there just to make me cool.

b:cute

Shasynn - Heavens Tear · October 2011

Retsuko - Heavens Tear wrote: »

And no, you don't have culti in SP, and you don't have to go through SP for BH.

U dont have to kill SILVER FROST for Crono quest?

Where is SILVER FROST?

Isn't the crono quest a kind of Culti?....It's orange like culti or not?

What level u had to kill SILVER FROST?....70 or not?

How much resist a 70 level against a 100+ level?

Mhhhh...pheraps u are one of psycopatic that pass all day in SP having fun on kill low level?....That's very funny...isn't?

That's amazing...have reached 100 level to kill ppl of 40...what a fun!!!

Lunaryl - Heavens Tear · October 2011

Someone is mad.

mecatl33 · October 2011

You know Evanera if you're serious about this why don't you get your faction to let people get their quests done in SP. Alot of you like to PK and you'd think some of you would just let the people who need to get stuff done pass. But no that doesn't happen which is why alot of people aren't happy right now. If you really want to keep PK in SP the way it is let people do their quests. And for anyone else and their factions leave the people who quest alone.

RosangeIa - Heavens Tear · October 2011

It ever occur to you that if people were courteous and let lowbies do their quests in there in the first place, there wouldn't be an uproar like there is now? Just a thought. If it weren't abused so much, no one would have had reason to complain, thus SP wouldn't be reverted back to the way it was.

But I suppose it's too late for that now.

Olbaze - Sanctuary · October 2011

Shasynn - Heavens Tear wrote: »

U dont have to kill SILVER FROST for Crono quest?

Where is SILVER FROST?

Isn't the crono quest a kind of Culti?....It's orange like culti or not?

What level u had to kill SILVER FROST?....70 or not?

How much resist a 70 level against a 100+ level?

Mhhhh...pheraps u are one of psycopatic that pass all day in SP having fun on kill low level?....That's very funny...isn't?

That's amazing...have reached 100 level to kill ppl of 40...what a fun!!!

Chrono is not a culti. It is a part of the Celestial Cultivation on 100, yes, but by then you should have no problem getting through SP anyway.

Yuna_Sama - Heavens Tear · October 2011

RosangeIa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

It ever occur to you that if people were courteous and let lowbies do their quests in there in the first place, there wouldn't be an uproar like there is now? Just a thought. If it weren't abused so much, no one would have had reason to complain, thus SP wouldn't be reverted back to the way it was.

But I suppose it's too late for that now.

+1

Though it's just a minority of ppl actualy ruining this... But I guess it's just lack of manners from those who enjoy killing questers... Plus the fact that there are so many rooms in SP for PKers to enjoy the function... So there isn't even a need to make a dangerous aoe zone in the start either... I'm realy gettin tired of not being able to kill Silver Frost... Unlike the cash shoppers the OHT daily is my main income from lvl 90-99... Around 60-100k a day... It would be nice if my Archer can do this daily too someday... b:surrender

_Ghoul_ - Lost City · October 2011

OP fishies talking his head of hmm and let me asume by lv101 ur r9 fishie ugh stinks.

anyways former enrage from what i keep hearing our huild is one guild wish made
the problem in sp from what i hear so before you open ur lil *** off plz LEACH you lil kiddies for any real conversation kick them from faction iff you have to make sure they
understand to leave the low lv out of pk and make it easy for outsider to take a PIC
and bann them PROBLEM SOLVEDb:chuckle

Annalyse - Heavens Tear · October 2011

Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »

Chrono is not a culti. It is a part of the Celestial Cultivation on 100, yes, but by then you should have no problem getting through SP anyway.

It would be nice if people would stop assuming that once you are high level you would be fine in there.

I selected a PvE server for a reason. I have three characters at 100 or more, none of which is geared towards PvP because I am a PvE player. I will never PK anybody. This means if I enter a PK zone like this to help with a boss, I am dead. I cannot even hope to get past the high-geared PvP players inside who think it is fun to grief others. And I am damn tired of telling my faction members that I cannot help them with bosses.

However to keep this thread on topic, there is no reason why they can't either introduce a new free PvP area that does not interfere with questing PvErs, or implement Evanera's idea of a choice upon entering SP. I think a free PvP area in a location safe from those who do not wish to participate is a good idea.

Nahleanna - Sanctuary · October 2011

personaly i think PKing should be forbiden and be 100% bannable all it is is a way for little kids to pick on normal people i bet you money most of the people abuesing the PK in sp are kids that have no life and are picked on in real life there for PvP PKing or whatr ever needs to be done away with it falls under cyberbulleing there for should be banned

_Ghoul_ - Lost City · October 2011

wait we should have a pve and a pvp server for those that like question and those that LOVe pking ooh wait WE have so once again what the is the question.

and no we are fine with safety lock and binding in pvp server why we would need a safety
system for would we pkers who for the god of me DO not want to loose his gear
god forbid he would loose his gear poor thing laughsssssssssssssssssssssssssb:pleasedb:chuckle

Evanera - Heavens Tear · October 2011

Please keep the crying and idiocy out of this thread. This is to suggest ways around the SP newbie PKing, not to cry about how you can't quest.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver · October 2011

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

But the fact is, giving suggestion is absolutely useless. I never heard of 1!! important suggestion by player which would be implemented to the game. Suggestion which would change game a bit.(game mechanic) Only suggestion like what to put to DQ page, or to CS shop, etc.

Revert SP, extending timer on TT, making tb wings bigger are some I can name off the top of my head.

mcfreakie · October 2011

Evanera - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Please keep the crying and idiocy out of this thread. This is to suggest ways around the SP newbie PKing, not to cry about how you can't quest.

Considering I just saw you in SP... If you kept better control of your children in SP there would never have been an issue.

Tallain_ - Heavens Tear · October 2011

uh what? sorry Eva most of us like to play the actual game and do the quests. You think we're crying cause we dont' want to spend enough to buy a CAR to play this game? And actually play the GAME... not sit in FF 1-105? We cant' get **** DONE when people like your pals and other random douches block the damn doorway...... See what i mean about your attitude? go choke on something lol............

Evanera - Heavens Tear · October 2011

mcfreakie wrote: »

Considering I just saw you in SP... If you kept better control of your children in SP there would never have been an issue.

If you just saw me in SP, then you would have seen me killing level 103+'s from a rival faction, and the only other Enrage member there not doing anything. Care to explain?

And LOL Alasen. Calling someone out for attitude then telling them to go choke on something. Priceless. *pat pat*

Come on now, Frankie. It's not so hard to answer a request like this. After all, it is your job. If you're going to be a CM then you should abide by your duties, especially considering you're getting paid for it.

RosangeIa - Heavens Tear · October 2011

Well to make my previous post "more relevant", then...

Your suggestion of keeping SP open should there be an honor system pretty much already happened, it was just unspoken. Or to better put it, because people couldn't honor the fact others entering SP wanted to quest and not pvp, the instance is already being reverted one way or another. Of course it doesn't hinge only on Heaven's Tear or the PWI servers, it hinged also on China and their other versions out there of course. So not all the blame falls on only a few people.

While your idea of an honor system is a good one, at this point it seems to already be too late to even try putting something into place. China already made the decision to revert it, and have already done so on their own version. So it's inevitably coming here. Frankie and the others in the NA team have no say on that matter nor can they change code themselves.

Your second idea is actually very good. That's what I wish they would have done in the first place. So you had a choice upon entering the instance. What I find even more ... interesting, is that even players below 30 can be killed in there as it is now. It's like all protections were gone lol. But yes a choice to become white name for SP would've been a good idea.

It also would have prevented accidental lowbie deaths when someone would aoe pvp.

Evanera - Heavens Tear · October 2011

I liked the second idea more, especially after khetos or whoever pointed out a few things (I forget but alas) about my first idea.

If it can't be controlled here, then so be it. It would be at least nice for Frankie to mention something like "This would be a neat idea, and I'll forward it to the CN GM's and see what they think". Anything like that would make myself happy, and others as well if he started communicating with the player base. If it can't happen that's fine, it's out of our control, but I can't agree with sitting here and not even trying, and having our CM just twiddle his thumbs.

mcfreakie · October 2011

Evanera - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I liked the second idea more, especially after khetos or whoever pointed out a few things (I forget but alas) about my first idea.

If it can't be controlled here, then so be it. It would be at least nice for Frankie to mention something like "This would be a neat idea, and I'll forward it to the CN GM's and see what they think". Anything like that would make myself happy, and others as well if he started communicating with the player base. If it can't happen that's fine, it's out of our control, but I can't agree with sitting here and not even trying, and having our CM just twiddle his thumbs.

If after 4 weeks of people complaining and arguing over this topic... and no patch hits... if Frankie cant even give some kind of status or acknowledge any feed back listed in the threads... I dont think your idea would even be read. I do applaud you for taking time to think and type up your ideas as I think if a game really wants to survive and actually grow the developers should listen to their customers.

Tallain_ - Heavens Tear · October 2011

Evanera - Heavens Tear wrote: »

If you just saw me in SP, then you would have seen me killing level 103+'s from a rival faction, and the only other Enrage member there not doing anything. Care to explain?

And LOL Alasen. Calling someone out for attitude then telling them to go choke on something. Priceless. *pat pat*

Come on now, Frankie. It's not so hard to answer a request like this. After all, it is your job. If you're going to be a CM then you should abide by your duties, especially considering you're getting paid for it.

dude i like the idea here (even though it's been mentioned countless times b4 and frankie never said anything then either [that 500+ page thread comes to mind... i know he read it, just NEVER commented on ideas, only he was watchign the feedback]), even if it's funny as hell coming from you..... but i'm NOT alasen u idiot... you can read right?

prismastic · October 2011

if someone who comes from a faction who enjoy griefing on low lv and non pvers alike
then you should start NOW make amends by making sure it stop on ur part before asking for gm to even listen to ur ideas no matter how nice they might be ur part of the problem.

omnomz11 · October 2011

I could live with an opt-in/out switch, but would agree that open PK has no business being mixed with PvE.

The incentive suggestion has no hope, especially with the arrogant and back-handed attitudes that there's little to be gained in SP/questing anyway (SP is actually a wonderful place to learn and teach within). Stoning in might as well be a toll booth. It is PKers that should learn to deal with PvE and respect it, not the other way around.

Personally, I tried to maturely deal with the PKer that targeted me today, but it was impossible and he seemed to threaten me further. I couldn't really tell because he sounded confused and possibly typing while on-guard against anyone who used a flyer, pet or was in tiger form. It's therefore not a level issue when groups start sanctioning (and posting, as a friend told me) their laws to be followed and for all to be humbled and obey.

So, no, there will be no peaceful solution. PvE and PK cannot co-exist, and this entire situation was as predictable as coyotes in a chicken pen. Create an opt-in/out solution (and that would be really generous in the wake of all the dishonor) or simply get on with it and revert.

WarriorAnna - Heavens Tear · October 2011

Most of the low lifes on Heaven's Tears who continually PK low levels in SP do it for one reason, they want unwilling victims. Willing participants in PK is not what they want, they want to **** with people, plain and simple.

This has to be the stupidest thing PW has ever done to the game. Enabling the bullies and mini-sociopaths of this world...yeah, that's a GREAT idea.

Fix this or ban the abusers. In fact, make a name and shame thread just like you did for the gold spammers. In my book these guys are way worse.

Kyanelle - Heavens Tear · October 2011

I like the suggestions Evanera has made.

Would certain Heaven's Tear players be QQing so much about the suggestions if they were put forward by someone that wasn't in Enrage?

I have found alot of Enrage players are quite reasonable and actually really friendly once you get to know them.

For those complaining about being killed and not being able to pass to get quests done, just have a think about HOW you have spoken to the people PKing in Secret Passage.

Also once you hit 100, you will find there really isn't anything for the 100+ levels to do - no quest and really no motivation to reach 105.

I would like to see Frankie's response to Evanera's suggestions. It would be great to see them be forwarded to the developers and incorporated into the game.

mrbufarra · October 2011

PVP in SP suck, real mens pvp anywhere white/red name b:bye

Evanera - Heavens Tear · October 2011

Bumping.

RosangeIa - Heavens Tear · October 2011

Kyanelle - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I like the suggestions Evanera has made.

Would certain Heaven's Tear players be QQing so much about the suggestions if they were put forward by someone that wasn't in Enrage?

I have found alot of Enrage players are quite reasonable and actually really friendly once you get to know them.

For those complaining about being killed and not being able to pass to get quests done, just have a think about HOW you have spoken to the people PKing in Secret Passage.

Also once you hit 100, you will find there really isn't anything for the 100+ levels to do - no quest and really no motivation to reach 105.

I would like to see Frankie's response to Evanera's suggestions. It would be great to see them be forwarded to the developers and incorporated into the game.

I had asked them nicely several times to let me through to quest when I was playing an alt, they were generally still trolls about it and never let anyone else do anything lol. I always was polite and still greeted with hostility so I don't see any reason why the blame should fall on those of us who simply wanted to be let through. Name calling never gets anyone anywhere no matter who the other people are but when asking nicely doesn't even work what then? lol. I highly doubt they really care about anyone else since they appear to show no remorse and never have over their actions.

Granted it's usually a handful of Enrage who do this that I have seen... still doesn't help their reputation any. You can blame the few people for their actions but I say the blame also falls on those who stand by and do nothing (within the guild).

At any rate it will be reverted anyway, wont last forever and there are other things to do. I know now there's no reasoning with them so you do something else. As for what will happen with SP from now on, I suspect they'll put the pvp enabled instance somewhere else if not where it should've been, in the arena.

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