Aps Qq

Your equation assumes you have that 5m weekly coin at the start of the year rather than spread out evenly throughout the year. That probably makes your result off by a factor of three or so. Also most would have problems trying to generate exponentially growing revenue after a while.

3 bil is easily do able in a year

i stopped reading after that fishie

Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »

I don't farm much. It's boring and I hate it.

22 months I've been on HL I've gotten:

800 mil Nirvana axes +10 (33 rerolls QQ)
200 mil Nirvana helm +10 (dropped in PK rofl)
600 mil 5 Nirvana armor pieces +6
200 mil cube neck +10
1000 mil R9 ring, chest, boots, belt, wrists with 7-10 refine
400 mil TT100 fists +10 (back when ocean was 50 gold)
115 mil rest of interval gears
??? mil on level 11 skills
300 mil on 3 r8s for alts
??? mil on wifey's R8/Nirvana gears
??? mil wasted opening ~4000 packs and not getting SoT
1500 mil left to merchant with


And that's not much compare to other bigger merchants out there.

kudos to those who farm.

i could never do such hassle =/

in a year of deltas, i chit bricks

Ikarium - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Translates into : "FC squad that doesn't understand APS/DPS looking for Sin that thinks he's a god because he has -interval bracers and H&T"

deal with it b:bye

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

That's why you search google for an interest calculator.. this was first result
http://www.moneychimp.com/calculator/compound_interest_calculator.htm
Most real calculators actually have this as a built in function.

The actual figure for your numbers is around 1.2b... my guess was scary accurate heh.

I farmed that in a week of doubles, looks like i'll see everyone in 51 weeks to catch up. O.o

EDIT: wtf, how did my quote of asterelle get posted BEFORE ...... I don't even .....

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

Never got it, vana is **** coin out of 2x as is tt these days.

for 30 mill I could roll on a new server and have a 20k hp tiger form sage barb useign nothing but +5 legendary gear and 3 socket g 7 shards. Find a static squad of friends to delta with an roughly 5 mill a run profit average. Merchant a mass item from every sale at a 5% profit on all my coin every week and make...

(52x5)(1.05^52) = 3.29 bill rounded up coin in a year. There you go full rank 9 +10-11 JOSD in a year without ever touching a set of claws. Thats not counting bh cube or grinding coin and assuming 3 hours of play a day or less.

Don't cry about 5 aps toons because your bad at making coin go find something to farm and make an alt cat

/rant

+1
Very good point.b:victory.

Although Right now i am bad at making coins, not because i cant find methods i just dont have the time to play that much pwi as i did around Last year. But yeah Merching takes time, but i am new but soon and hopefully soon it will pick up. I usually do it on weekends cause i can only leave my catshop on those days cause i am at home and can leave my computer on. Never tried daily AH merching with gold lol i have to be very very smart, but tried with other items.

Yeah nivana lol, so many people are doing that cannies are falling like mad. Lol its now 350k for cannies and 1.3mil for raps, and they were much higher about months ago.

^_^

Empu - Sanctuary wrote: »

So basicly you suggest :
-Make a low-cost barb just for delta, so you can make 5mil per run
-Use that money to merchant
-Do bh/cube besides that

=> this would allow you to make more money then a 5 aps farming, and get full r9 +10~11 JOSD in a year.

As an old barb player who recently restatted that 20k+ sage kitten you think is so pro, I'll give you some reasons why your reasoning is totally worthless :
-First off all, you won't do anything besides delta and sit in your catshop, as wc squads, especially on our server, will kick you from bh after they got buffs, and nobody cares to have a 20k hp sage kitty as friend.
-Even delta, just like metal before, is done more and more without barbs anyway.
-The time of a delta run on barb, my sin or now fist-barb, can make at least double the profit farming.
-With 5 aps, you will get invited to almost anything and everything, not just 1 or 2 instances where ppl actually care to have a hp buff.
-Since when are only sage barbs allowed to have a catshop alt?
-You think cube is easier on your vit barb? Wait till you get a "open sesame" room to solo.
-You can find a static delta squad as bm too, ijs.

Looks like a fail rant to me, by someone who never played one of the less popular classes in the game. I suggest you actually try what you are saying, and post some screenies of your r9 set in 1 year.

One question for you. Is it better to farm pof while i currently not saving up for sage skills while i am building coin or its better to sell pof, then buy pof later when i want sage skils?.

So basically is it better to farm cube for skills or better to buy off players?. I got about 9 page of fates and 9 old book pages.b:shocked

Yuniryu - Raging Tide wrote: »

One question for you. Is it better to farm pof while i currently not saving up for sage skills while i am building coin or its better to sell pof, then buy pof later when i want sage skils?.

So basically is it better to farm cube for skills or better to buy off players?. I got about 9 page of fates and 9 old book pages.b:shocked

The answers depends on the person really.

For the first question : How fast do you need coins for the stuff you are saving for short term ? How much of a gambler are you (you can sell pages of fate at their normal price, but you can also make a book and hope to get 1 that is worth tons) ? Personally, I would hold on to pages I have for later, unless I see some great opportunity and need coins "right now!". But this also is related to the answer below to your 2nd question.

For the second question : A lot depends on the skills you can get from pages of fate. For your class, and your personal taste, how many of the books you can get with pof are "OMG! super skill", how many are "hmmm, not the best but at least I didn't have it yet", how many are "QQ a double, but at least I can sell it" and how many are "totally worthless" ? How frequently, and at which price, you see them in ah also counts. Making books with pof is a gamble. For my last book (sage subsea), I went for pof cause it's rare. I made 3 fail books before getting it, 2 of them were sellable at +/- cost price, the other I just gave away cause it was worthless.

In general, is pof worth farming : Rationally depends on your capacity of making coins. Personally, the average time it takes me to do cube, I could easily farm the coins to buy 2+ pages. But there is also the irrational part : do you like cube ? Are you using cube as a side-money maker (selling your bully cards and start over, or do you buy card and complete asap) ?

Sorry, I can't really give you a "this is what you should do" answer b:surrender

Empu - Sanctuary wrote: »

The answers depends on the person really.

For the first question : How fast do you need coins for the stuff you are saving for short term ? How much of a gambler are you (you can sell pages of fate at their normal price, but you can also make a book and hope to get 1 that is worth tons) ? Personally, I would hold on to pages I have for later, unless I see some great opportunity and need coins "right now!". But this also is related to the answer below to your 2nd question.

For the second question : A lot depends on the skills you can get from pages of fate. For your class, and your personal taste, how many of the books you can get with pof are "OMG! super skill", how many are "hmmm, not the best but at least I didn't have it yet", how many are "QQ a double, but at least I can sell it" and how many are "totally worthless" ? How frequently, and at which price, you see them in ah also counts. Making books with pof is a gamble. For my last book (sage subsea), I went for pof cause it's rare. I made 3 fail books before getting it, 2 of them were sellable at +/- cost price, the other I just gave away cause it was worthless.

In general, is pof worth farming : Rationally depends on your capacity of making coins. Personally, the average time it takes me to do cube, I could easily farm the coins to buy 2+ pages. But there is also the irrational part : do you like cube ? Are you using cube as a side-money maker (selling your bully cards and start over, or do you buy card and complete asap) ?

Sorry, I can't really give you a "this is what you should do" answer b:surrender

Basically i can do cube very easily. Only 1 room i cant do, the rest i can do with not too much difficulty. As for advanced rooms only tried once and too much coin sink. I like cube and i do want to use it as money marker page of fate wise , golden boxes and plats. Havent tried bulleys and sometimes i do buy do alls cards. So basially doing cube for pof.

Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »

It's not really as simple as that.

For one, 3 out of the skills in the book can be gotten from the Advanced Mystical Page trade, which you will most likely do for Bloodpaint anyway. Out of the remaining skills, 2 are useless unless you PvP. So we're left with 4 skills that are actually useful. I'd say that the odds of getting those from the clip are so low that you're better off selling the pages until you have acquired all of your other gear and have a satisfactory refine. If you haven't ran into someone selling the skillbooks by then, you'll have nothing to do lose by gambling on it.

I know that Empu did it the other way, he did Cube and got the clips and got lucky with the books.

Cool so basically i should buy from players skill books and pages rather then farmings. Nice i guess thats 10mil for me ;p.b:victory. I was going to farm cube for neckalce but when i saw the cost of 51 - 60 , 1mil - 2mil XD isnt a good idea to waste since i am saving lol. Besides by the time i get my gear and some sage skills i should be compentent at merching that farming up for somethinig expensive is a waste of time.

@ Quilue : your comment about vindi is highly irrelevant, cause :
-doesn't affect any of the money-making points I aborded, which was the point of the thread
-the suggested barb build is a simple 1 shot in tw, vindi most probably won't even care about them
-vindi has more then enough bms, probably also seekers, that can tank full delta

Guess you don't know that my barb was asked to join vindi when I was still actually playing him, same for my sin when I was factionless. So unless your own faction is that 10% of the barrel, I don't see what you mean.

I tested on wc for several bhs : Pm them from barb and from sin. Barb get's "full" or *silence*, sin gets immediate invite. If you don't understand at least half of the players are nice to you simply cause you're an archer with r9 bow, I think you are very naif. That all has nothing to do with "bottom of the barrel".

Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »

It's not really as simple as that.

For one, 3 out of the skills in the book can be gotten from the Advanced Mystical Page trade, which you will most likely do for Bloodpaint anyway. Out of the remaining skills, 2 are useless unless you PvP. So we're left with 4 skills that are actually useful. I'd say that the odds of getting those from the clip are so low that you're better off selling the pages until you have acquired all of your other gear and have a satisfactory refine. If you haven't ran into someone selling the skillbooks by then, you'll have nothing to do lose by gambling on it.

I know that Empu did it the other way, he did Cube and got the clips and got lucky with the books.

Well, this is really applying to sage sin particularly. I answered more generally, cause I dont know for all classes what book clip and all gives, what comes from pof or obp, etc.

If looking particularly at sage sin skills, the way I did it maybe isn't the most accurate anymore. When I got the bookclip, the sage sin population was like 0.01% of the whole sin population. There were barely any sage sin books in ah, cause they were plain insellable so only sage sins would make any (and most probably learn it). Right now, sage sin skills aren't rare anymore, so would leave a whole new analysis. The bookclip still covers quite a few of the good skills for sage sins, but if it's worth the 45mil compared to the ah prices of those books is something I didn't keep track on.

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

Again my comment was not directed specifically at barbs but rather the playerbase in general. There's plenty of things to do in pwi to make coin and most of them can be done with friends unlike solo tt.

The point of the thread was Brain + time = coin, Why should people need to "care about" your awesome "factor" character in order for some nubly to enjoy the game?

This I agree on, you don't need awesome gear or high aps to enjoy playing a game. But you can't factor out that 99% of the players inside ask you for your gear and judge you on it. Heck, most even are "friends" based on gear. I'm the same person, and see how ppl all the sudden ignore me when on barb, and constantly kiss my *** when on sin. Good luck making your "static delta squad". Your post, coming from a 5 aps BM in one of the major factions on our server, kinda kills all the pertinence of it. No offence, but to me it seems you got no freaking idea how "low-cost geared" toons are threated, especially from a class that isn't "hip" atm.

Empu - Sanctuary wrote: »

This I agree on, you don't need awesome gear or high aps to enjoy playing a game. But you can't factor out that 99% of the players inside ask you for your gear and judge you on it. Heck, most even are "friends" based on gear. I'm the same person, and see how ppl all the sudden ignore me when on barb, and constantly kiss my *** when on sin. Good luck making your "static delta squad". Your post, coming from a 5 aps BM in one of the major factions on our server, kinda kills all the pertinence of it. No offence, but to me it seems you got no freaking idea how "low-cost geared" toons are threated, especially from a class that isn't "hip" atm.

Sad, but true. I have made similar experiences in-game.

Maybe this isn't only because of the APS craze, though you can safely say APS is one of the reasons for it. The major problem about APS doesn't have that much to do with money making. It is more related to the fact that it starts to divide the player base in "useful" and "useless" toons. Sure it is group dynamics at work here, but these are heavily influenced by the game mechanics, which is the reason why i'm complaining about it.

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

Never got it, vana is **** coin out of 2x as is tt these days.

for 30 mill I could roll on a new server and have a 20k hp tiger form sage barb useign nothing but +5 legendary gear and 3 socket g 7 shards. Find a static squad of friends to delta with an roughly 5 mill a run profit average. Merchant a mass item from every sale at a 5% profit on all my coin every week and make...

(52x5)(1.05^52) = 3.29 bill rounded up coin in a year. There you go full rank 9 +10-11 JOSD in a year without ever touching a set of claws. Thats not counting bh cube or grinding coin and assuming 3 hours of play a day or less.

Don't cry about 5 aps toons because your bad at making coin go find something to farm and make an alt cat

/rant

So, is this you proclamation that you finally hit 5aps? lol

b:pleased