How can I overkill 5 APS?

Twilit_Arrow - Sanctuary
Twilit_Arrow - Sanctuary Posts: 5 Arc User
edited October 2011 in Archer
I know that you need only -.55 interval with claws to achive APS. But I wan't to know if i can find a gear set that will get me more than -.55 interval... This is for me to have higher APS on ranged weapons... Thank You - Ariel Gonzalez.
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  • EIvemage - Dreamweaver
    EIvemage - Dreamweaver Posts: 146 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    you can get
    -0.05 from pan gu/love tome,
    -0.05 from nirvy legs
    -0.1 from r8 top (archer and sin)
    -0.1 from tt99 gold wrists
    -0.05 from tt99 gold wrists+boots
    -0.05 from tt99 belt+neck
    -0.05 from TM capes or lunar glade wingtrophy

    and -int 0.1 from for example heaven shatterer
  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Well yes, you can, but even then you'll end up reaching a maximum of about 1.1 aps on a bow.

    And that's not really even going to compare to 5 aps.
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  • Astraea - Raging Tide
    Astraea - Raging Tide Posts: 544 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    the max -interval attainable is -0.55 which is what sins need to be able to hit 4.0 base with daggers, claws need only -0.5 to e 5.0 base or -0.4 to be 3.33 base/5.0 sparked.
    with a bow even if you had ALL of the -int items equaling up to -0.55 then you would only get up to 1.05 base aps / 1.43 sparked which still wouldnt be as much dps as 5.0 claws of same refine
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  • Twilit_Arrow - Sanctuary
    Twilit_Arrow - Sanctuary Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Thank you for the information. And well I know how it doesn't compare to five aps but I want both :3 max on bow and fists :D Thank you very much for all the help! b:thanksb:pleased
  • Twilit_Arrow - Sanctuary
    Twilit_Arrow - Sanctuary Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Oh sorry my bad. But thanks for the information very much!.
  • Sarrafeline - Sanctuary
    Sarrafeline - Sanctuary Posts: 4,661 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    If archers could get 5.0 on bows, it would like... Totally shatter the game.

    5.0 bow > 5.0 Sin
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  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »
    If archers could get 5.0 on bows, it would like... Totally shatter the game.

    5.0 bow > 5.0 Sin

    Well yeah, since bows have a higher base DPH.

    Though, bows don't come with Bloodpaint or SS/GoF.
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  • Badazmofo - Dreamweaver
    Badazmofo - Dreamweaver Posts: 407 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    The only possible way i can think to gain more aps than what most people have atm would be OHT wrists with -.05 x3 and a oht sling with -.05 x3..... Tbh i doubt anyone would ever make wrists like that or a sling (since no one makes OHT weps really). Although if speculations are correct about the rank8/9 reforge it could be possible to get these stats on r8 (from what ive heard)
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  • Astraea - Raging Tide
    Astraea - Raging Tide Posts: 544 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Badazmofo - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    The only possible way i can think to gain more aps than what most people have atm would be OHT wrists with -.05 x3 and a oht sling with -.05 x3..... Tbh i doubt anyone would ever make wrists like that or a sling (since no one makes OHT weps really). Although if speculations are correct about the rank8/9 reforge it could be possible to get these stats on r8 (from what ive heard)

    technically OHT wrists with 3x -0.05 would only serve to free the boot slot ppl normally use instead of having to use TT99 since TT99 wrists and TT99 boots also give -0.15 due to wrists and -0.05 bonus. about the slingshot, dunno if oht -0.05 x3 would be better than trying to get g15 nirvana w/ stun and -0.05 x2 as even with the extra -0.05 they would both spark up to 1.54 (1.11 and 1.18 base)
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  • tomiotar
    tomiotar Posts: 108 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    I have one doubt, at the moment Im lvl60 full dex (str just enough for gear) and i want to know if i will increase my DPS using fist when i get close combat. Rigth now im using the Rank IV chest, genie leggins, boots of tiger strength and 3 star wrist. Going duo with a cleric i do often lvl51 FB and i wish to know if i will kill faster Rankar or Fushma with fist. Rigth now i have enough <divine orders to exchange them for some "Fist of the Arch Devil" but im not if using all my divine orders on those fist or better keep them and hope to get a last one and get "The Penetrator". Rigth now im using the sinister shooter by the way. thanxs in advance.
  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    tomiotar wrote: »
    I have one doubt, at the moment Im lvl60 full dex (str just enough for gear) and i want to know if i will increase my DPS using fist when i get close combat. Rigth now im using the Rank IV chest, genie leggins, boots of tiger strength and 3 star wrist. Going duo with a cleric i do often lvl51 FB and i wish to know if i will kill faster Rankar or Fushma with fist. Rigth now i have enough <divine orders to exchange them for some "Fist of the Arch Devil" but im not if using all my divine orders on those fist or better keep them and hope to get a last one and get "The Penetrator". Rigth now im using the sinister shooter by the way. thanxs in advance.

    Nope.

    The reason fists are good is because of the chi gain, which doesn't really start playing a part until 89+.
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  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Nope.

    The reason fists are good is because of the chi gain, which doesn't really start playing a part until 89+.

    Not so much, although permaspark helps. The real reason fists are okay for archer to use endgame without as much strength is because triple spark damage is composed of damage multipliers like masteries or blazing arrow, strength damage multipliers, fist damage, crit rate, and 500% weapon damage. Fist Mastery and Blazing Arrow added damage almost cancel each other out. Base Weapon damage would be the same assuming using the same fists (ie both using +10 deicides).

    A BM/Barb will have about 350+ strength endgame and an archer will have about 146 endgame for deicides, giving him almost 1.5 more damage multipliers than an archer. However a BM's crit rate would be about 20% higher. All other things being roughly the same the archer is multiplying the 500% base damage of the weapon a triple spark gives by an additional 20% crit rate. This goes a long way in helping archers close the dps gap without having to stat anymore than min strength for claws.


    Early on, if you chose to stat for claws,I'd say plan on 117 str for level 70 (warsoul helm) and 146 for level 95 (deicides) as the max strength you should steal from dexterity.


    Edit: btw to the OP. only -.4 is needed to be 5 aps with fists (.7 sec/attack->.3 sec/attack + triple spark will make you .2 seconds/attack (5 aps) with claws .) The reason aps doesn't matter as much with a bow is it never reaches significant exponential gain. Put it this way, going from 4 aps to 5 aps (-.05 difference) gives you a 20% dps gain, but going from 1 aps to 1.05 aps (also a -.05 difference) is only a 5% gain. 4 times more dps gain at the higher aps.
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  • Fleuri - Sanctuary
    Fleuri - Sanctuary Posts: 1,763 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    I think the fastest ranged attack rate would be from a archer using a demon attack speed buff with a haze dispeller with the -0.1 interval mod and full interval gear.

    I think I remember reading once, though that there's a hard limit of 2.5 attacks per second with ranged weapons. So, if that is true, ranged weapons can never permaspark...
  • Thunderbow - Momaganon
    Thunderbow - Momaganon Posts: 85 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    so the max aps achieved on bow is 1.05aps? i heard it was higher?
  • XxZavxX - Raging Tide
    XxZavxX - Raging Tide Posts: 603 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Well yeah, since bows have a higher base DPH.

    Though, bows don't come with Bloodpaint or SS/GoF.

    And fish ppl don't have purge.
  • _blood_rain - Sanctuary
    _blood_rain - Sanctuary Posts: 2,532 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    XxZavxX - Raging Tide wrote: »
    And fish ppl don't have purge.

    They can equip their very own purge z.z

    My only consolation is that they look silly while using a bow. b:cry
  • Fleuri - Sanctuary
    Fleuri - Sanctuary Posts: 1,763 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Thunderbow - Momaganon wrote: »
    so the max aps achieved on bow is 1.05aps? i heard it was higher?

    That's the max unbuffed attack rate with a bow.

    But demons have attack rate buff skills (and there are other possibilities also).
  • Ikarium - Dreamweaver
    Ikarium - Dreamweaver Posts: 631 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Fleuri - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I think the fastest ranged attack rate would be from a archer using a demon attack speed buff with a haze dispeller with the -0.1 interval mod and full interval gear.
    Why specifically Haze Dispeller?
    Is it not possible to get -0.05int x2 on the g15 Nirvana Sling? Sure its probably a helluva lot smaller chance of getting that than the one -0.1 on OHT, but would hit a lot harder :O

    Or if someone wanted to just fire off pellets for giggles at maxed APS, Wind and Clouds (lvl69) has the full -0.1 int on it already for dirt cheap.
  • OIdpop - Heavens Tear
    OIdpop - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,052 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    weird how demon quick shot is faster than spark.I think my archer with that skill hits 1.45..man if we could hit like that all the time then archers would be the beasts in this game lol,no interval tome so i hit 1.0
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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    I don't see much point in going full interval bow over full rank 9. Full rank 9 gives a ton more hp and defense and 38 more attack levels (including a cube neck). That's 24% more dph while full interval has 21% more attack speed and thats just with normal arrows.

    You get slightly more dps with full r9 (with normal arrows) and you get alot more dph (using skills). The only thing full int would be better for is quicker purging and getting chi faster.
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  • Fleuri - Sanctuary
    Fleuri - Sanctuary Posts: 1,763 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I don't see much point in going full interval bow over full rank 9. Full rank 9 gives a ton more hp and defense and 38 more attack levels (including a cube neck). That's 24% more dph while full interval has 21% more attack speed and thats just with normal arrows.

    You get slightly more dps with full r9 (with normal arrows) and you get alot more dph (using skills). The only thing full int would be better for is quicker purging and getting chi faster.

    Have you worked out how that works out if you put your chi into triple sparks?

    (I think your chi gain advantage is greater than 3%....)
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Fleuri - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Have you worked out how that works out if you put your chi into triple sparks?

    (I think your chi gain advantage is greater than 3%....)

    Ehh chi gain from normal arrows is fairly slow even with full int... you gain more from spamming skills and genie skills.
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  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Stuff.

    Eh my archer will most likely wind up full int armor cube neck and rank 9 belt simply because I already have so much of the armor laying around from other toons (LA pants from sin LA arm boots from bm/barb/sin int cape and sexy hat) Its nice for lazy poor people like meself who dont gear up each character separately but rather make a general pool of goodies to gear their toons up with.
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