Nirvana and Rank 9 Balance

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  • GohRaL - Sanctuary
    GohRaL - Sanctuary Posts: 883 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Why every thread made by Blade Aether is a QQ thread ?


    Nirvana has already a +20 attack level.

    You cant ask to improve free gear over CS gear and be listened in a game like PWI.

    Stop QQ.



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  • Blade_aether - Lost City
    Blade_aether - Lost City Posts: 141 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Me love Q_Q

    There were a couple sides to the ideas I brought up that people missed.

    I was not saying make NV 2nd cast straight up equal to rank 9.

    I think that adding ways to farm to improve second cast, whilst making it equivalent in price and offensive/defensively to R9 would not be unfair.

    Take the weapons for instance, GoF is a 2% chance to get with recasting? Not sure of the exact percentage.

    I recasted 9 times with raptures at 2m. That is 140m to recast, and I had already spent ~1.9m each for the raps to get it 2nd cast in the first place. That is roughly 615m, then you got the roughly 55m I paid for my lunar axes. 670 mil is not cheap. Not saying it is what R9 is worth, but here:

    Let's say (random number greater than 670m) that a R9 wep costs 800mil. How about they come up with a farming based way of improving second cast weapons that will cost 130 mil? Well, not cost exactly, but is worth 130m of sorts.

    Then the second cast weapon could be equivalent to the R9, you get to keep your desirable weapon skin, and no one is ripped off? (Not saying everyone has put 670m into their 2nd cast wep, but you get the idea)

    The idea of planned obsolescence of any gear of this tier in a game like this could seem like a large turn off to veteran players who have grown attached to their gear.

    The idea of upgrading seems much more, palatable?

    Asterelle hit a strong point, double interval, GoF and 50 atk lvl on second cast daggers would deter most players from PK, but there is more than one way to solve that issue:

    Want 50 atk lvls on your 2nd Cast NV dags? Ditch the interval or no go. Sounds harsh but R9 is effectively that.

    Having two methods of acquiring similar gear is not bad. It allows those who want to CS to gear up quickly to do so, as well as those who wish to farm equivalent gear, but in a different manner than changing coin to gold a way to disport themselves as well.

    How many times have I heard that lunar NV armor and weps are so pretty? A lot? So why make beautiful obsolete, and make ugly the new cool? (Opinionated, yes)




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  • Altamiria - Heavens Tear
    Altamiria - Heavens Tear Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    or they can stop being lazy and introduce a new set of armor/weapons that you are able to farm or chip for mats.

    I do not like the whole non-account stash aspect of R9 anyway so it can goto hell.
  • megakittyyy
    megakittyyy Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    make 2 set of armors
    2 twil=5 atk lvl
    2 lunar=5atk lvl
    n nirvana gear=aps/chanel
    and 5.0 is much better to farm than r9 axes or maybe to pvp too..
  • SinFulGodX - Sanctuary
    SinFulGodX - Sanctuary Posts: 347 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    You really want this in pwi ? http://pwcalc.com/a173a17b44592e48 b:shocked
  • Aneurysmal - Heavens Tear
    Aneurysmal - Heavens Tear Posts: 798 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Blade_aether - Lost City wrote: »
    How many times have I heard that lunar NV armor and weps are so pretty? A lot? So why make beautiful obsolete, and make ugly the new cool? (Opinionated, yes)

    "beautiful" is only obsolete in a few cases here. BM/Barb Axes, Wizard/Psy weapon.

    Cleric is still a primarily healing class, making the 50 attack levels of the weapon irrelevant and the fact that r9 is crit is worthless for a cleric.

    Mystic is a semi healing class and the 50 attack levels only applies to their few magic attacks, regardless they're damaging ability in pvp still evens out to a venomancer with the exception of 2 skills.

    BMs still have their other 3 weapon types that can be nirvana'd that there's no r9 equivalent for.

    Venomancer damage skills are too low that r9 is more important than the extra survival ability possible with a r9 caster weapon.

    Assassin, I don't know anybody who argues that r9 isn't the sexiest assassin dagger (and yes there's a double interval GoF lunar nirv dagger on HT). BTW, the r9 outpowers the double interval GoF nirvana nearly every time, 100% in nirvana and with the exception of 2 or 3 bosses in TT.
    Archers, r9's great, both nirvs play the same part.

    Seeker, apparantly the r9's method of calculating the GoF has been deemed a death sentence by the chinese servers, from what I'm told 1 aoe hit can = almost suicide, making the most functional seeker weapons warsoul, nirvana or r8 depending on what you want out of your weapon.

    Psychic, the weapon's so small who cares what it looks like.

    So, 3 1/2 classes r9 eats beauty for breakfast. I still wanna go 4.0 warsoul claw/fist on my bm.
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  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Aneurysmal - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    "beautiful" is only obsolete in a few cases here. BM/Barb Axes, Wizard/Psy weapon.

    I donno... I actually would prefer my crescent moon bow... in stead of a bow that's double my size and triple my weight. hell... i'll even prefer the looks of my moonlight bow over this monstrosity of a cannon that i carry. so essentially i am obligated to go along with the idea of a 10 level recast systems (different mats for each level of recast) for my crescent moon bow and maybe a 20 level recast systems for my moonlight bow. where at the end of all those recast... i'll have +200 atk level and +500 attack level respectively. god knows the recast system isn't complicated enough.

    and for the QQ barb... by the time you get your little nirvana recast to match my r9... we'll be pwning you and your people with ours r10s.
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  • Eoria - Harshlands
    Eoria - Harshlands Posts: 6,118 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Oi. Just make a 3rd recast Nirvana that's comparable to r8 recast. That's all I ask.
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  • XXZeonXx - Harshlands
    XXZeonXx - Harshlands Posts: 372 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Or make R8 recast more costly than Nirvana.
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  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    XXZeonXx - Harshlands wrote: »
    Or make R8 recast more costly than Nirvana.


    You seem to know how much R8 recast costs already?
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  • Kerona - Sanctuary
    Kerona - Sanctuary Posts: 1,771 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Has this thread really become "but Nirvana is prettier".

    Really?


    REALLY?


    We have fashion for that.
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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Kerona - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Has this thread really become "but Nirvana is prettier".

    Really?


    REALLY?


    We have fashion for that.

    And none of my fashion matches my R9 bow b:sad

    Well except for that red corsair dress but mehhhh
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  • Kerona - Sanctuary
    Kerona - Sanctuary Posts: 1,771 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    And none of my fashion matches my R9 bow b:sad

    Well except for that red corsair dress but mehhhh

    We can have fashion discussion sometime! b:dirty
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  • Salasyn - Heavens Tear
    Salasyn - Heavens Tear Posts: 286 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Aneurysmal - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    "beautiful" is only obsolete in a few cases here. BM/Barb Axes, Wizard/Psy weapon.

    Cleric is still a primarily healing class, making the 50 attack levels of the weapon irrelevant and the fact that r9 is crit is worthless for a cleric.

    Mystic is a semi healing class and the 50 attack levels only applies to their few magic attacks, regardless they're damaging ability in pvp still evens out to a venomancer with the exception of 2 skills.

    BMs still have their other 3 weapon types that can be nirvana'd that there's no r9 equivalent for.

    Venomancer damage skills are too low that r9 is more important than the extra survival ability possible with a r9 caster weapon.

    Assassin, I don't know anybody who argues that r9 isn't the sexiest assassin dagger (and yes there's a double interval GoF lunar nirv dagger on HT). BTW, the r9 outpowers the double interval GoF nirvana nearly every time, 100% in nirvana and with the exception of 2 or 3 bosses in TT.
    Archers, r9's great, both nirvs play the same part.

    Seeker, apparantly the r9's method of calculating the GoF has been deemed a death sentence by the chinese servers, from what I'm told 1 aoe hit can = almost suicide, making the most functional seeker weapons warsoul, nirvana or r8 depending on what you want out of your weapon.

    Psychic, the weapon's so small who cares what it looks like.

    So, 3 1/2 classes r9 eats beauty for breakfast. I still wanna go 4.0 warsoul claw/fist on my bm.

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  • Blade_aether - Lost City
    Blade_aether - Lost City Posts: 141 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    SinFulGodX - Sanctuary wrote: »
    You really want this in pwi ? http://pwcalc.com/a173a17b44592e48 b:shocked


    Do you read my posts? Obviously not.

    I said there are ways to balance, like sack the -int if you want the atk lvl.

    Herp derp.

    Actually, let me carry this out a little bit further:

    Someone brought up the novel idea of the account stash, rank gear is not account stash-able. Seriously, for people who wish to share several classes of the same armor type on one account, and wish to gear them all competitively, this proves poor. People like Amour, who have 5 100+ casters who can share all of his gear aside from his Psy needing a wep. (It has +5 R8, he didn't know whether to get R9 for his wiz or psy)

    So much harsh response, how many of the people responding have R9 and are satisfied? Should that be considered into the rationale for your brash n' brazen responses?

    I guess, maybe I never liked the idea of rank gear. It always felt like a loss of individuality to me, and based on the fashion and character design alone, I had always figured that PWI was about forging your own creative look. I suppose now that I was wrong.








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  • Broederjr - Lost City
    Broederjr - Lost City Posts: 234 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    mooooo i see cows here
  • Hexalot - Dreamweaver
    Hexalot - Dreamweaver Posts: 871 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Aneurysmal - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Seeker, apparantly the r9's method of calculating the GoF has been deemed a death sentence by the chinese servers, from what I'm told 1 aoe hit can = almost suicide, making the most functional seeker weapons warsoul, nirvana or r8 depending on what you want out of your weapon.

    Seekers with the TT90 sword with sacrificial strike have a similar problem although admittedly SS doesn't proc nearly as often as GoF will. But the point is Seekers can counter the constant 5% HP debuff while aoeing by making sure they are blood painted. The high damage from the R9 sword should also generate significant heals as well.

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