True Value of a Pet
Sheshka - Raging Tide
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Given how nit picky players can be for higher level runs about gear, skills, and builds I'm not really surprised that pets are picked at by other players. But I do have to wonder if it really makes that much difference what pet you have if you are only along as a debuffer or support? Does a veno really need a herc pet if they are in a squad with APS players and only expected to give sparks, amp, and debuff the boss?
If venos are really only wanted as support then why should gear or pet matter if your pet will likely not be needed and you are not to attack because you're just there to support your APS? Is it really that important to have a herc pet?
If venos are really only wanted as support then why should gear or pet matter if your pet will likely not be needed and you are not to attack because you're just there to support your APS? Is it really that important to have a herc pet?
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Sheshka - Raging Tide wrote: »Given how nit picky players can be for higher level runs about gear, skills, and builds I'm not really surprised that pets are picked at by other players. But I do have to wonder if it really makes that much difference what pet you have if you are only along as a debuffer or support? Does a veno really need a herc pet if they are in a squad with APS players and only expected to give sparks, amp, and debuff the boss?
If venos are really only wanted as support then why should gear or pet matter if your pet will likely not be needed and you are not to attack because you're just there to support your APS? Is it really that important to have a herc pet?
No, you don't need a herc. Herc's are nice for tanking bosses that are at or even above your level. Otherwise you would need to be several levels higher (if not more) with a glacial walker or similar tanking pet.
I take veno's for amplify damage, bramble, extra sparks, purge, ect. when I'm on my BM or sin. Unfortunately, most players don't see how over powered amplify damage, purge, armor break, ect. really are. In the majority of the squads you will be in, you will be there for debuffs/support, and your pet will just be some extra damage on top of your own attacks and the bonuses of your debuffs.0 -
Good to know and thank you. I really don't want to have to waste coin on one of those ugly little things just to get runs that a pet isn't even needed for.0
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Sheshka - Raging Tide wrote: »Good to know and thank you. I really don't want to have to waste coin on one of those ugly little things just to get runs that a pet isn't even needed for.
I wouldn't call it a waste of money though. It is the best 75mil I have ever spent in the game. Being able to take on 10+ mobs at a time or more makes grinding very quick and easy. You will make your money back in no time. Also, the ability to solo your BH's, some of your FB's (or at least tank them), and many other bosses just makes it so much nicer.
But yes, overall you don't need one, but if you can afford one, I'd recommend getting one.0 -
1) A veno needs always good gear . Ur not support class , or to put it differently , ur are not *only* support. U are a Damage Dealer as well. Sure Wizards Psychics Archers ans Assassin may outdamage u , but that doesnt mean your damage is **** , nonetheless , its quite good , stable and reliable . Why ? ur pet does damage as well . Always have decent gear and most importantly a nice sharded and refined weapon (mostly at 70+)
2) the value of the herc pet hasnt changed , just been modified. In squad he is nearly job-less , since APS classes tank everything these days. But his soloing value has increased , casue that makes u independent from others , u can do things alone and not *beg* (literally) to get a spot at a squad.
My advice is get an raise a nice DD pet (like a scorpion , a Dark wanderer or a Seamonster guardian) Put some attack skills on them (and debuffs Like Howl or Threaten).
if u have the cash or patience to farm a herc do it. It will be a great asset for ur veno. But dont expect him to shine at squads with strangers as it did 2 years ago.
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Sheshka - Raging Tide wrote: »Given how nit picky players can be for higher level runs about gear, skills, and builds I'm not really surprised that pets are picked at by other players. But I do have to wonder if it really makes that much difference what pet you have if you are only along as a debuffer or support? Does a veno really need a herc pet if they are in a squad with APS players and only expected to give sparks, amp, and debuff the boss?
If venos are really only wanted as support then why should gear or pet matter if your pet will likely not be needed and you are not to attack because you're just there to support your APS? Is it really that important to have a herc pet?
Venos, barbs, archers and Wiz are becoming mundane they are used less and less on Arch server and the only viable mission are plvling to constantly run fcs. Yet, they have private servers to level fast so why do people who dont want to do missions still playing on any pwi server.0 -
I have a Seamonster Guardian for a pet and my gear is okay for my level. I really only have trouble with 'random' squads like when none of my friends are on. Unless I'm with friends I'm usually told that they only want me for support purposes so I've pretty well stopped running with anyone but my friends.
I don't want to spend the coin on a herc if it is not absolutely essential.
Thanks very much for the advice and clarifications.0 -
if ppl ask you for a herc at higher lvls squads, like above FF90 and other high dungeons... your better of without that squad. I understand in fb39 or so ppl dont have money, they under gear, skills are low lvl, etc and they rely on herc to save them. But if they are at lvl 100 and ask for herc.... you can safely say F Ub:bye0
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At this point in the game, no one really cares anymore if you don't have a herc or a nix. In instances, hercs are obsolete due to the sheer power of the DDs itself.
In TW, nixes don't really do much anymore except to arcanes.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Sheshka - Raging Tide wrote: »Given how nit picky players can be for higher level runs about gear, skills, and builds I'm not really surprised that pets are picked at by other players. But I do have to wonder if it really makes that much difference what pet you have if you are only along as a debuffer or support? Does a veno really need a herc pet if they are in a squad with APS players and only expected to give sparks, amp, and debuff the boss?
If venos are really only wanted as support then why should gear or pet matter if your pet will likely not be needed and you are not to attack because you're just there to support your APS? Is it really that important to have a herc pet?
It sounds as if someone wants to justify mooching. As Phoenix_Eye accurately states: we're DDs. That whole notion of us being just a support class I believe was started by a troll that's had a few accounts banned here. Assassins aren't chosen just for Subsea, BMs for HF, etc, and only idiots will take a veno along solely for stupid things like Amp, or luring.
In an FFC 100+ run today, some stated how it was the fastest run they've been on. I was one of 2 venos and there was only 1 Assassin. Mobs were dying before aps classes were reaching them. Herc was useful for small lures, and debuffing bosses before aps'ers were reaching them. No sparks were passed to other players.Phoenix_Eye wrote:Sure Wizards Psychics Archers ans Assassin may outdamage u , but that doesnt mean your damage is **** , nonetheless , its quite good , stable and reliable . Why ? ur pet does damage as well . Always have decent gear and most importantly a nice sharded and refined weapon (mostly at 70+)
My wiz can't compare to my veno for long term dps. My wiz needs so much more defense / hp to be viable which comes at the cost of dmg. Also, Veno's 3rd eruption about doubles our dmg while wiz doesn't. My veno also generates those sparks so much faster / easier. Our non spark costing radial AoE > wiz's non spark costing radial AoE.0 -
Every veno can drop ironwood and purge and myriad and amp. (Not all DO, but let's forget the clueless for a moment)
The pet damage is then on top of that. The pet needs to be able to survive the boss - ideally to be able to survive when some idiot sin steals aggro they can't deal with and you end up as main tank unexpectedly.
Once you've got enough survival - no, you don't need more. And indeed the herc isn't the best DD, so is often not the best pet to use.
However, good luck persuading the idiots who don't know what amp actually does, or have never seen fox-form myriad - or, with more justification - have studied the available pets and learned which are good or realise that the skills on the pet often change the answer.0 -
In an FFC 100+ run today, some stated how it was the fastest run they've been on. I was one of 2 venos and there was only 1 Assassin. Mobs were dying before aps classes were reaching them. Herc was useful for small lures, and debuffing bosses before aps'ers were reaching them. No sparks were passed to other players.
My Veno used to go in and march up the hall, clearing it with AOEs as she walked. I have been able to solo FC just using my Hercules also but my sin is faster and the steath helps.
With mobs and farming my Nix is still much faster then my sin, merely because the Veno can stand and just circle the nix around her (i.e. Map 3) and pick up the drops as it continues to kill (I have it on defend mode).
To me, each class has their own appeal and it just depends on what you want to do.
As for pets, I have four Venos (100, 90, 51, 20). Each has a FULL pet pack, each has 2 tankers, 4 lurers, 2 air pets, 1 water pet, 1 mount. The Lurers vary .... and I work hard to get all of the pets to the same level of the veno.
To me, they are very effective as a farming and support class. Farming wise because even my baby Veno (perma-blue name farmer) can send her tanker pet to a mob to kill as she digs. Then walk over and pick up the coin/mats that dropped. Rarely a need to even pot.0 -
I'm glad to hear herc/nix aren't really that important. I prefer using the pets I like. And with the coin price tag on those pets I would rather save the coin for skills and gear.0
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Sheshka - Raging Tide wrote: »I'm glad to hear herc/nix aren't really that important. I prefer using the pets I like. And with the coin price tag on those pets I would rather save the coin for skills and gear.
The only ones saying anything like that are the ones marginalizing what a veno can do. It would be like playing an Assassin to skill spam rather than go aps.Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.0 -
I must say i was worried about how people see venos without hercs. But i haved no point worrying about what people want, i mean i didnt get my seeker to 101 for nothing. Veno aside herc it seems affordable alt for me and wont drain too many resources really except herc(which is optional and i can get eventually) and gear but easy to get tt mats since they are cheap now days. Also i dont have to rush to level up veno which is why i chose it.b:chuckle
QUOTE=Aizza - Harshlands;14957801]My Veno used to go in and march up the hall, clearing it with AOEs as she walked. I have been able to solo FC just using my Hercules also but my sin is faster and the steath helps.
With mobs and farming my Nix is still much faster then my sin, merely because the Veno can stand and just circle the nix around her (i.e. Map 3) and pick up the drops as it continues to kill (I have it on defend mode).
To me, each class has their own appeal and it just depends on what you want to do.
As for pets, I have four Venos (100, 90, 51, 20). Each has a FULL pet pack, each has 2 tankers, 4 lurers, 2 air pets, 1 water pet, 1 mount. The Lurers vary .... and I work hard to get all of the pets to the same level of the veno.
To me, they are very effective as a farming and support class. Farming wise because even my baby Veno (perma-blue name farmer) can send her tanker pet to a mob to kill as she digs. Then walk over and pick up the coin/mats that dropped. Rarely a need to even pot.[/QUOTE]
Nice. I have been a fc run with 2 venos and omg it was fast as 3 sins. But sadly people dont realise this lol.
But nevermind them, there will be a small ammount of people who understand. ^_^ i plan to enjoy.
So i hope i will find the extra time to level it up slowly.b:victory.
^_^ i hope i will enjoy veno. Still nervousb:cryb:sad[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Nix is a REQUISITE for any form of endgame PvP whatsoever period.
Sawflies will NOT suffice.
As for end-game stuff inside dungeons, I do have a herc. For things like FC, most of the DDs are already so OP'd at this point that the herc can't control agro. However, in lower level FCs (80/90) 99% of people will not be able to keep agro from a herc - making it a very useful addition.
In nirvana, I have my herc out in the start. Once it dies to be honest, I'm too lazy to res it and pull it back out so I just go on with the run.
If you really want to go all the way with assisting in vana, level one of the starter scorpions up to 100 and give it nix buffs.0 -
Aijou - Harshlands wrote: »
In nirvana, I have my herc out in the start. Once it dies to be honest, I'm too lazy to res it and pull it back out so I just go on with the run.
You're too lazy to keep it alive, and too lazy to play a veno well. You should be playing a wiz or some other simple toon you can macro and afk your way through things with.0 -
Aijou - Harshlands wrote: »If you really want to go all the way with assisting in vana, level one of the starter scorpions up to 100 and give it nix buffs.
By nix buffs you mean claw and maybe blessing? I can't see that a low attack speed pet would benefit much from pounce's attack speed buff...[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Mayfly - Dreamweaver wrote: »By nix buffs you mean claw and maybe blessing? I can't see that a low attack speed pet would benefit much from pounce's attack speed buff...
Whichever one gives it the +attack.
As for thumbs, yeah. I'm a fail veno. AFK suicide.0 -
Aijou - Harshlands wrote: »Whichever one gives it the +attack.
That would be claw.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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