Magicians strife!

n3gated
n3gated Posts: 3 Arc User
edited October 2011 in Wizard
hey i was just wondering which class is better in pvp? mystic,wizard or psychic. i know most people say psychic but i heard wiz is better in tw an such so....
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  • Kokki - Harshlands
    Kokki - Harshlands Posts: 267 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Open world PvP : Psy
    TW : Wizard ( hands down )
    Mystics are not good in either 1v1 or TW, they do good in open world group PvP tho, but there the wizard also shines again
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  • BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur
    BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur Posts: 1,842 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Mystics are good in TW for their versatility I guess. Not really right to compare them to a nuker class because they aren't really that. Comparing them to other support classes (clerics, venos, etc.) is more appropriate. After all, they are magic classes too . . . .

    As for wiz vs psychic, I would agree generally with what is posted above, however as you start putting more and more OP gear on both, psychics rapidly outstrip wizards imo. We have rank 9 sins that won't even attack some psychics on our server because they kill themselves trying. b:surrender

    No rank 9 (or even rank 8) sin is afraid of any wizard, even rank 9 ones.
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  • n3gated
    n3gated Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    well, i kinda am feeling the wizard just for the ice dragon spell XD but i dnt wanna suck in pvp(not saying wiz sucks in pvp). can a wiz beat a psychic? or do u think i should just go psychic?
  • n3gated
    n3gated Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    n3gated wrote: »
    well, i kinda am feeling the wizard just for the ice dragon spell XD but i dnt wanna suck in pvp(not saying wiz sucks in pvp). can a wiz beat a psychic? or do u think i should just go psychic?

    not saying wiz sucks btw...
  • BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur
    BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur Posts: 1,842 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    unless i am significantly outgeared (yes, psychic with 24 jade would outgear me), I generally don't have a problem with psychics. Stonebarrier gives me something like 24k earth defense, so you essentially cut a psychics attacks in half.

    They either white voodoo in which case they can't kill you, or they black voodoo in which case you can generally sleep>BT them pretty effectively.

    Now, a VERY well played psychic, that knows a wizard's skills, etc., can eat you up on occasion. But honestly, those seem so few and far between, I wouldn't worry too much about it.
    "And as for bragging, I don't need to brag. I am famous, yo. My accomplishments are legendary. I am BLOODMYSTIC, speaker of truth, bane of the Barbarians of Impulse, slayer of the **** of Narla, liberator of all the free peoples of the Archosaur server, former master propagandist for our leader in freedom, Proski, and Archtroll of the PWI Forums. And now? Amiable pve wizard, beloved by all, aka BLUEMYSTIC. Pleased to make your acquaintance."
  • StacysMum - Dreamweaver
    StacysMum - Dreamweaver Posts: 305 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    I heard Seeker is also a good alternative to Wiz or Psy in TW. But I never seen it myself.
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  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur wrote: »
    unless i am significantly outgeared (yes, psychic with 24 jade would outgear me), I generally don't have a problem with psychics. Stonebarrier gives me something like 24k earth defense, so you essentially cut a psychics attacks in half.

    They either white voodoo in which case they can't kill you, or they black voodoo in which case you can generally sleep>BT them pretty effectively.

    Now, a VERY well played psychic, that knows a wizard's skills, etc., can eat you up on occasion. But honestly, those seem so few and far between, I wouldn't worry too much about it.

    Consider this. You have change against the physic only with one hit. If you will not kill him wit BT you loose. Physic has for instance skill which reduce charm cooldown to 6s and with looong channeling skills as a wizard you will not bypass his cooldown charm. Also he has skill increase your channeling time to 100%. Next soulburn and the MOST Skill Tide Spirit, which is 9s!! sutra skill with damage increase. And with physic 40K+ soulforce you have no chance. It's mean 11s of stunt with this amount of soulforce.
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  • BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur
    BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur Posts: 1,842 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Consider this. You have change against the physic only with one hit. If you will not kill him wit BT you loose. Physic has for instance skill which reduce charm cooldown to 6s and with looong channeling skills as a wizard you will not bypass his cooldown charm. Also he has skill increase your channeling time to 100%. Next soulburn and the MOST Skill Tide Spirit, which is 9s!! sutra skill with damage increase. And with physic 40K+ soulforce you have no chance. It's mean 11s of stunt with this amount of soulforce.

    I didn't understand most of this - langauge issue.

    If their soul force is that high, its probably +12 refines, in which case they out gear me as well.

    However, I have not typically even had that much trouble with +11/+12 psychics if their gear isn't all +10/+12 as well. Sometimes I domain as I cast BT, expecially in TW so make sure I don't get interrupted. I am sure that helps.
    "And as for bragging, I don't need to brag. I am famous, yo. My accomplishments are legendary. I am BLOODMYSTIC, speaker of truth, bane of the Barbarians of Impulse, slayer of the **** of Narla, liberator of all the free peoples of the Archosaur server, former master propagandist for our leader in freedom, Proski, and Archtroll of the PWI Forums. And now? Amiable pve wizard, beloved by all, aka BLUEMYSTIC. Pleased to make your acquaintance."
  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur wrote: »
    I didn't understand most of this - langauge issue.

    If their soul force is that high, its probably +12 refines, in which case they out gear me as well.

    However, I have not typically even had that much trouble with +11/+12 psychics if their gear isn't all +10/+12 as well. Sometimes I domain as I cast BT, expecially in TW so make sure I don't get interrupted. I am sure that helps.

    Ok I will say it easily.b:chuckle
    Empowered Vigor- reduce physic charm cooldown to 6s. With high channeling time wizy has big problem to bypass physic's charm.
    Empowered Vigor- Increase channeling time of target by 80% for 15s. Add to your channeling time 80%.
    Soulburn- Each time you attack you will receive damage equal to physic soulburn. If physic has 30K soulforce you will receive this damage every hit. And 30K soulforce is just lv.100 physic with +10 weapon.
    Soul of Stunning- With just 30K soulforce physic stun you for 8s.
    Tide Spirit-For 9s physic doesn't have channeling time and his magic attack is increased.
    The fact is, you have to know how to play physic, because of his huge versatility of skills. Unskilled physic is the most often reason of loosing fights.
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  • BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur
    BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur Posts: 1,842 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Ok I will say it easily.b:chuckle
    Empowered Vigor- reduce physic charm cooldown to 6s. With high channeling time wizy has big problem to bypass physic's charm.

    A useful skill, of course, but more useful against APS classes. I don't think this has much impact on charm bypass the way I think of it. Charm bypass to me is getting their HP to 51% WITHOUT ticking - then hitting them with 1 shot for 51% or more of their HP. Cooldown between charm ticks isn't involved, since their charm doesn't tick. Until, that is, they click back to town, of course.b:surrender
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Empowered Vigor- Increase channeling time of target by 80% for 15s. Add to your channeling time 80%.

    I don't dps psychics anyway. Its either kite, charm bypass, or actually, more often than not, I don't even need to bypass their charm (especially now with r9) - just sleep BT gets hits them for well over their full hp usually.
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Soulburn- Each time you attack you will receive damage equal to physic soulburn. If physic has 30K soulforce you will receive this damage every hit. And 30K soulforce is just lv.100 physic with +10 weapon.

    It only lasts for 8 seconds or something, doesn't it? First, you can just not hit them when thats on. Second, at best it will be just one or two attacks while that skill is active. Again, I haven't found this to be a major problem. I am sure I have been burned by it once or twice, but not very often.

    And there is always domain + BT b:surrender
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Soul of Stunning- With just 30K soulforce physic stun you for 8s.

    Badge of Courage - and I am more afraid of aps classes with an 8s stun.
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Tide Spirit-For 9s physic doesn't have channeling time and his magic attack is increased.

    Psychics have short channel times anyway, compared to a wizard anyway. I don't see this as that big of a threat.
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    The fact is, you have to know how to play physic, because of his huge versatility of skills. Unskilled physic is the most often reason of loosing fights.

    Oh, that is true. And alot of what you say here depends on very high soul force. I think I covered both in my statements above:
    BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur wrote: »
    Now, a VERY well played psychic, that knows a wizard's skills, etc., can eat you up on occasion.
    BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur wrote: »
    If their soul force is that high, its probably +12 refines, in which case they out gear me as well.
    "And as for bragging, I don't need to brag. I am famous, yo. My accomplishments are legendary. I am BLOODMYSTIC, speaker of truth, bane of the Barbarians of Impulse, slayer of the **** of Narla, liberator of all the free peoples of the Archosaur server, former master propagandist for our leader in freedom, Proski, and Archtroll of the PWI Forums. And now? Amiable pve wizard, beloved by all, aka BLUEMYSTIC. Pleased to make your acquaintance."
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