Dealing With Rankar

XXxNami - Sanctuary · September 2011

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

If you absolutely must have two clerics to tank something that doesn't normally require two healers eg wyrvern, you aren't a proper tank and actually are a waste of space since two dds who know how to control aggro would have dealt more damage than your like 1.82 aps max sin. Learn to use your skills and control your aggro. :P Well your 95 now, so I suppose it doesn't matter and you could easily be a proper tank now. But still, DDs should definitely learn to control aggro if they can't handle tanking alone.

I didn't said, it needed 2 healers, but if was, it was little easier not to die.
Anyway, i think i wrote, i holded aggro, except when seeker used vortex.
And i have only 1,54 aps. :P Before lvl 80 i hadn't any aps stuff.
And it wasn't waste of space, since nobody do bhs today, except some ppls. :P

StacysMum - Dreamweaver · September 2011

Reason BB fails in the OPs situation is because it has less range than RB and puts the caster into heavy aor range, and since 90% of clerics at that lvl are a one shot its quite ill advised. I've seen a sin lvl 65 with evasion ornies tank wyvern so they aren't the problem. The fail usually lies with the clerics on Ranker thinking they got game or on wyvern and having to be told to f***ing purify a 100 times before they get it.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver · September 2011

XXxNami - Sanctuary wrote: »

I didn't said, it needed 2 healers, but if was, it was little easier not to die.

Ah I thought you meant you needed two healers, as long as you can hold aggro, don't die, and don't need an excessive amount of healers then you are a proper tank. And I think around about 1.82 somewhere in there is the max amount of aps you can get before 80. I didn't know what yours might have been, so I just put a number that was around the maximum allowed. My bad, I just misunderstood when you said you used two healers at wyrvern.b:surrender

Dr_Jeckyl - Heavens Tear · September 2011

XXxNami - Sanctuary wrote: »

You say, if a sin go to bh51, get a bow.b:chuckle
And barbs, bms, seekers are 10 times better tanks then sins in bh51?

My sin tanked all the time her bh51, bec. no barbs was. She couldn't hold aggro, when had seeker, and used vortex.

Its right, wyvern was hard, but if was 2 healer, i mean 1 cleric and an other healer (cleric or mystic), that was a little help to survive wyvern.b:embarrass

You aren't looking at it from a Cleric's point of view.

I said a heavy class was 10 times better than a sin (assuming similar levels and quality of gear) because it is much easier on the Cleric. Also, if something goes wrong well the squad wipes and guess who loses all the XP and has to run in from outside to res the rest of the squad? The poor Cleric.

I have been on many BH51s where the Sin tanked, if they are higher level and have good gear it is easy. But if they are under lvl 70 a mid 60s Cleric has to spam IH like mad just to keep the Sin tank alive. With a Barb, Seeker or BM, it is MUCH easier. Just the Barb HP buff alone helps a lot.

This is the problem with Sins mid-level (60s- low 70s) they think they are so great when they don't realize the Cleric or Mystic is working like mad just to keep them alive.

This doesn't apply to high level Sins with Rank gear and APS. Those guys are so OPd it is kinda funny. One lvl 101 Sin came in and killed Rankar and Wyvern in less than 2 seconds each. Another time a lvl 90 Sin soled Wyvern when we didn't have a healer.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver · September 2011

Dr_Jeckyl - Heavens Tear wrote: »

You aren't looking at it from a Cleric's point of view.

I said a heavy class was 10 times better than a sin (assuming similar levels and quality of gear) because it is much easier on the Cleric. Also, if something goes wrong well the squad wipes and guess who loses all the XP and has to run in from outside to res the rest of the squad? The poor Cleric.

I have been on many BH51s where the Sin tanked, if they are higher level and have good gear it is easy. But if they are under lvl 70 a mid 60s Cleric has to spam IH like mad just to keep the Sin tank alive. With a Barb, Seeker or BM, it is MUCH easier. Just the Barb HP buff alone helps a lot.

This is the problem with Sins mid-level (60s- low 70s) they think they are so great when they don't realize the Cleric or Mystic is working like mad just to keep them alive.

This doesn't apply to high level Sins with Rank gear and APS. Those guys are so OPd it is kinda funny. One lvl 101 Sin came in and killed Rankar and Wyvern in less than 2 seconds each. Another time a lvl 90 Sin soled Wyvern when we didn't have a healer.

Well at level 90 most classes can solo Wyvern, I would think.

Dr_Jeckyl - Heavens Tear · September 2011

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Well at level 90 most classes can solo Wyvern, I would think.

Depends on class, gear and pots I think. The squishy classes with no self healing would have more trouble. That lvl 90 Sin just made it with BP.

My own experience is that Veno, Sin, Cleric, Mystic, Barb with pots, BM with pots, Seeker with Pots could do it (depending on equipment). I don't know about the rest.

Lol, I guess that just leaves Wiz and Psy which I don't have much experience in with.

truekossy · September 2011

Dr_Jeckyl - Heavens Tear wrote: »

This is the problem with Sins mid-level (60s- low 70s) they think they are so great when they don't realize the Cleric or Mystic is working like mad just to keep them alive.

Nowadays, this is starting to apply to all classes simply because so many powerlevel or don't actually gear themselves properly. My assassin tanked all of her BHs during that level range. A good part of the reason why was I got so sick of barbs in level 30 rank gear and **** like that trying to tank and getting killed while my assassin who had up-to-date gear and (since I knew how to use my skills as well as my limits) was actually able to survive things better than the conventional tanks of that level range.

Granted, when you have a stupid cleric that never purifies and tries to chromatic through everything or the like (amen for the puri proc on some daggers), then that doesn't help.

The best bet you have is to look at the gears on your squad members and keep an eye on what they do during the runs. If that Rambo is actually keeping him/herself alive and handling aggro well even without you, consider giving him/her a hand or having him/her tank. Barb insisting on pulling groups of melee only monsters 1 at a time? Barb may not be the best tank and be prepared for him to splat or aggro to jump. Wiz being extremely suicidal? Keep some distance between yourself and the wiz so if something with an AoE runs to the wiz, you won't be the first casualty. And if there's a mystic in the squad? Make sure they're helping you support via salvation, debuff plants, etc. Sure clerics are the main support, but having a mystic helping to make your life easier will only help.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver · September 2011

Dr_Jeckyl - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Depends on class, gear and pots I think. The squishy classes with no self healing would have more trouble. That lvl 90 Sin just made it with BP.

My own experience is that Veno, Sin, Cleric, Mystic, Barb with pots, BM with pots, Seeker with Pots could do it (depending on equipment). I don't know about the rest.

Lol, I guess that just leaves Wiz and Psy which I don't have much experience in with.

I think they could do it. They both have self heals even if they aren't the best, with the right timing they could probably get it done with a mixture of skills, pots, apoths, and genies. And i'm talking about at least decent gear for their level, none of this i'm still wearing elder's blessing at level 90 nonsense.

XXxNami - Sanctuary · October 2011

Jeckyl u are wrong, bec my main is a cleric, so i know, what is bh51 with cleric. Anyway, if u can find any heavy char for bh51, its good, we didnt find any, when i needed bh51.
And whats problem, with ih stack? If u have maxed ih, rankar's aoe wont hit u.

And i have a cleric friend, who has garnet shards in his armor, and he can solo bh51, i dont know, when could he solo it first time, but he is still lvl 80 now.

And yes, u lose some exp, but if u will go to nirvana, there are some ****** ppls, who didnt wake up, and waiting for cleric. But there if u are dead, u need wake up, when u can.

And if u has a fail tank (barb, seeker, bm), its better, then a good sin?

APS: yeah, if u have million for expensive gears for aps, u can it 1,82 before lvl80.
But u need a Tome, an Energetic Robe, and a dq Wristguards, so who hasnt mmillions before lvl 80, that sins will use 1.25 aps.

Firrestorm - Heavens Tear · October 2011

i get it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dr_Jeckyl - Heavens Tear wrote: »

So I've been doing BH51 quite a bit lately between my Mystic, Cleric and Seeker. Especially since I'm not powerleveling in FF.

About 70% of the time it goes great, and I don't mean only when we have a high level. In fact the best and most enjoyable runs are when we are about the same levels but have a balanced squad.

Yesterday, however, I joined a random squad with a 60s Mystic, lvl 68 Cleric and 3 Sins (I was on my lvl 64 Cleric). I had reservations about a low level Sin tanking but when I saw that the mid 70s Sin had solo cleared most of BH51 mobs with only BP and the 10 minute HP regen pot. I thought, this might work. Besides we had 3 healers.

So we get to Rankar and the lvl 68 Cleric suggested that she BB and I RB. I've never seen that combo done at Rankar and at our levels, but I figured maybe she knows what she is talking about.

Well the "tank" Sin goes in and almost instantly the 68 Cleric dies, before she even does anything. I switch plans and spam IH the Sin "tank" while the Mystic backup heals the others.

To make a long story short we made it but the 68 Cleric died twice and because the 2nd time she didn't have the Mystic res, I was told to res her before Rankar died. Fortunately between the stacked IH and the Mystic heals the Sin Tank survived to the end and miraculously the other 60s Sins only died one time each and could res themselves.

The same Cleric suggested BB and RB on Wyvern, we ignored her and I ended up IH and purifying the Tank, while the Mystic backup healed the others that time it went smoothly. The Cleric tried to BB but didn't have enough Chi, I guess she forgot she had died earlier. *rolleyes*

I found it a rather amusing experience and this time it was a Cleric who was fail and not the Sins.

But my questions are:
- when is it appropriate to use BB and RB on Rankar if ever?
- is there a way to gauge which squishies should stay far away from Rankar due to a one shot kill from his AOE?

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