pure pve build?

There is no real ''pure'' PvP or PvE build for practically any class in pwi. Just take a look at one of the many guides here and pick one from those.

X$exyFox - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I would never do this. I still think Pure Mag Clerics are too squishy. I don't know if you are planning on doing BHs/TTs/Whatever, but if you are going to do so, I would say, never go Pure Mag, because you can't trust Barbs nowadays.

This is wrong . Squishy clerics are those who don't know how to shard, which ornement to wear and how to refine .

HA for the win

X$exyFox - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I would think that is a bit too much Vit. I should say 1 vit every 2 lvls or keep your vit equal to your lvl, so that means at lvl 50 you got 50 vit, at lvl 74, 74 vit, etc.



I would never do this. I still think Pure Mag Clerics are too squishy. I don't know if you are planning on doing BHs/TTs/Whatever, but if you are going to do so, I would say, never go Pure Mag, because you can't trust Barbs nowadays.

Refines + shards+ plume shell cant fail.
Im a pure mag since lvl 1, and i dont complain about my choice

Ps: im still going to have a Ha cleric..

TBH, it depends on what gear (+ especially refines) you can afford and which instances you plan on doing. Many instances dont require high HP or def, since you will rarely get hit.
If you dont plan on doing the hard instances, pure mag is the way to go (stronger heals, larger MP pool, less pots used).
Ive always been a high vit build (had about 100 vit at 9x) and never had anyone complaining about heals not being strong enough. The better my gear got, the more vit i restated back to magic tho, since my HP is sufficient enough for now (can never have enough IMO), and now im full magic.
However, i planned my build along with what instances needed me to have (e.g. 3k hp at lvl 80 for TT 1-3, 5k hp for FC, 7-8k for 3-2 or 3-3).

Yes, that is barb buffed. And in most of those instances, skill wont help you much, especially if youre not doing them 24/7. As in 1-3, the Soulbanishers AOE (i think thats that Eggs boss name? Dx) will hit you for abit less than 3k even in BB, so no skill can help you much there (besides maybe Pdef charms, which how many clerics use at lvl 80?)
FC is usually a matter of which squads youre going with, if you go with randoms alot, exploding hands will be missed, which is why 5k HP+ is a nice thing to have.
3-2 and 3-3 (id think even 3-1 Beast) will require you to have that chunk of HP, unless again, you want to spam def charms (unless you A: have a really good squad or B: spammed that instance to the point where you know which boss does which skill when he says a certain sentence to be prepared), just because the bosses AOE or random attack you, or squads get wiped and you might end up tanking the bosses.

I also think, single healing those instances with the "weaker heal" (which it really isnt by much) requires alot more skill, since most pure clerics actually have to take a 2nd cleric along. 1 shot pure mag cleric doesnt heal much anymore when hes lying dead on the ground b:laugh

Ofc, if your cleric is an alt and youre already used to those bosses and know exactly how they work, you can survive with less just by being prepared better. However, i barely see anyone even paying attention to what bosses say (apart from clerics xD) and even trying to cancel their skills anymore or w/e.
And for new clerics, that are just learning this game, id think more HP does them better than superstrong heals.

As i said, ive been high vit cleric until 100+ and i never had any problem keeping someone alive (apart from 5k hp squishy sins).

Did you try to take your "mediocre geared" cleric to Beast in 3-1 without having 3 5 aps in squad? maybe try to look for a random "normal" squad and see what you can do with 5k hp.

Lana - Raging Tide wrote: »

I also think, single healing those instances with the "weaker heal" (which it really isnt by much) requires alot more skill, since most pure clerics actually have to take a 2nd cleric along. 1 shot pure mag cleric doesnt heal much anymore when hes lying dead on the ground b:laugh.

I needed to quote that part cause it actually made me lol . His point was simple, if you improve your gears, you will match likely the HP a vit built cleric has and keep your magic attack high .
I'm pure magic with 11K HP (buffed) and 9.7K p.def (self buff), i don't see where i'm more squishy than you're vit build cleric . 8K HP buffed isn't awesome to run instance and you can't always expect to have a barb buff .

Pure magic build is better for cleric,

My cleric is 85 and heals better than any other cleric at his lvl range, also spending some money on gems and some mirages to refine to +2-+3 isn't a bad thing.

But still if u don't like it add some vitality, I'd suggest no more than 50 points.

Lana - Raging Tide wrote: »

However, we all dont start out with +10 gears now, do we? b:shutup

This seems to be something that a lot of people forget.

I can do everything in the game with pure build, TT90 gears +3-5 refines, mediocre phys defence and 4.5K HP unbuffed.
The argument for VIT cleric stands for TW only (and people too rubbish to do anything other than macro spam), not for the OPs PVE build.

There, I actually said something that was useful. I hate you guys b:chuckle

Kanmi - Sanctuary wrote: »

I'm just wondering how do you face Emperor/Skeleton/Arma in 3-2 and 3-3 with "mediocre" p.def and 4.5k HP unbuffed ?

Was just about to ask the same b:cute TBH I'd think thats a 1-shot even to Beasts Phys AOE in 3-1.

b:shocked How about Harpy?

Lana - Raging Tide wrote: »

TBH I'd think thats a 1-shot even to Beasts Phys AOE in 3-1.

4.5k buffed is actually about the min HP needed to live with 3-1 Behe, but if you get a combo of sharptoothed/bb down/not using def charms and he uses his phys break AOE...kinda ****ed.

4.5k HP for Emp and Steel is doable as long as it's an archer tanking from the balcony and the cleric manages to stay safely out of range. Though I imagine there are very few parties that will actually use archer tanks there when 5aps BMs and sins are so much faster so GG.

But yeah...I'd love to see a 4.5k HP cleric attempt Arma.




Hint: It ends in death.

Kanmi - Sanctuary wrote: »

Correct me if i'm wrong, as for Emp 3-2, balcony is safe but doesnt prevent him from random aggro, right ? By that i mean trying to find you and hit .
Since you need to be at 28m from him to be safe from his reduce channeling/attack rate/freeze debuff, i wonder how safe you can be on that balcony . Tbh, I never managed to do it that way, so it makes me curious b:laugh

Yeah. That's where it gets tricky. Archers need to make sure that he stays in about the same spot max range and clerics don't move up if the archer has to step down off the railing for a second to make him come back. Moving up is where he's like to catch you off guard and kill you. .___.

For the sake of this convo, by balcony I mean the one that surrounds the perimeter of the center of 3-x. The cleric should be to the left of the archer and as far back as possible on the top floor for Emp.