Recomendations on Endgame Wizzy Build.

Unless you are planning on 100% pve.. that build won't cut it.


1) Weapon should be a MINIMUM of r8 +10 if you plan on any type of pvp. We are a DD class, and the weapon is HUGE.

2) The lunar neck you picked is very expensive.. and you should really be aiming for cube neck. I think sky demons or HH90 gold neck would be a good stepping stone before you go for cube neck, the lunar neck is just too expensive for something that isn't end game imo.

3) Belt again is expensive, and you should be aiming for r9 belt or warsong.. I'd recommend just sucking it up and doing the quests to get 4th map and get the belt (oddly a quest reward that is actually really good) Again HH99 pdef belt is just expensive and not really that much better than the much cheaper alternatives (int chars only use it for the -int set bonus.. which doesn't do us any good).

4) You didn't even include a tome

5) You should proabably switch your sharding around a bit. Remember, we have stone barrier which bumps up our pdef by quite a lot (you didn't activate it in the calc) and you seem to be focusing way too much on pdef and neglecting your hp. I'd personally just use Asterelle's socket calculator http://aster.ohmydays.net/pw/socketcalculator.html to see which shards would help you the most. You'll likely find that citrines will give you better survivability than garnets.. although that will all depend on buffs and your opponent. I should also mention that 4 socket everything is incredibly expensive (for the non-rank gear anyway) and 4 socketing equipment should be one of the last things on your list. Especially for the shards you are planning on using.. it might be different if you were thinking about end game shards.. but from the looks of things you won't be doing that for quite some time.

6) All refines are at a bare minimum at the moment.. which could be good or bad. If you were using this build as a temporary build while you work your way to rank9.. great. If this is your plan for end game, you might be in for a very unpleasant surprise. HH99 +5 with g8 shards just doesn't cut in anymore.

@Dakill - I'm going to kill you. The "3%" you mention means absolutely nothing. It's like me saying that I now take 5 less damage... without mentioning if the original hit was 10 or 10,000. Besides, you forgot to use stone barrier. Don't make me hunt you down and teach you some 3rd grade math >:(

DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »

I'm so confused b:sad

Last time I blew off a couple % of resistance you told me that it doesn't literally mean you take a certain % more of damage b:cry

The number they give you is probably not what you think it is. So if you were going to see how much benefit you'd receive from extra hp, that's pretty easy. Pretend you have 5k hp, and you get an extra 500 hp somehow, you've just increased your survivability/hp by 10%. Pretty simple. The benefit from pdef is a little different. The easiest way I can think of to explain this is to use an example. Pretend you have a ton of pdef that leaves you at 80% reduction of physical damage, and a potential build will put you at 83% (what you'd call a 3% physical damage reduction). So using an example hit (lets say 100 damage for easy numbers), you'd receive 20 damage @ 80% reduction or 17 damage @ 83% reduction. Now if you compare those numbers (17 and 20) you'll find that taking 17 damage as opposed to 20 damage is actually a 15% difference. That 15% difference equates to 15% better survivability to physical hits with the 83% build than the 80% build.. and you can make an educated decision with those numbers in mind. Notice that the 3% you mentioned before compared to say.. the 10% increase in hp could be very misleading. The devs made that more complicated than it had to be (imo), but that's just the way it is

prof wrote: »

how do you people afford 4s, 70m cloaks, and even rank 8, but not know that refines matter more? for the price of +5'ing that entire set, and getting all socket stones to bring them from 3s, you could've probably had a couple of +10 pieces that would shine more than the entire +5 set.

and why use g8 stones? any stone that isn't g12 or +vit is temporary, so why waste money?

So behind the times.. when was the last time you checked the sales/cash shop in pwi?

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

So behind the times.. when was the last time you checked the sales/cash shop in pwi?

i was online at the moment i was posting that, so i assume then.

offsale, r8 cost 160m.
wingcharger, 75m average on lc
g8 is x5 a g7, and it's still only temporary.. i'd use g7, less loss later.
socket stones are 10k? i think. idk the amount of stones for 4s hh99, but i know if he starts with 3s, it's going to cost over 10m a piece.

so, cut the price of the cape in half and use a lunar cloak.
use g7, 1/5th of the price.
settle with 3s.

you just saved 50-100m.

the last time i saw 10* orbs on sale, they were 100 gold for 3; gold is currently 1.2m. surely you can afford a few of those now. b:shutup

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur wrote: »

My private server player detector is going off again, whoop! whoop! whoop!

why do you people hate using the best possible stones in the last armour you'll ever use? you figure you'd want to have the best stats you could get or something..

maybe that's just me.

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur wrote: »

The last time you saw was probably 100 gold for 5, actually. But those sales are probably a thing of the past.

orb sale today? 50 gold for 1.

i don't remember what it was, and i hadn't been on today. but even for 50, i think gold is 1m atm here, should be able to get 2

prof wrote: »

why do you people hate using the best possible stones in the last armour you'll ever use? you figure you'd want to have the best stats you could get or something..

maybe that's just me.

Drakeflames out price jades on most servers. So no, it wouldn't be the best possible by most peoples estimation to use drakeflame. Ever. Unless you are on a private server maybe.

Anymore than it would make sense to use +20 vit stones. b:surrender

prof wrote: »

this post might be a little hard to read, i'm on this heavy medicine that's got me making typos every other word lol


the argument between jade's and drakeflame's is hard and i don't have enough experience with defense and attack levels to make a proper argument to support myself, i've just always used pdef. my idea is: your opponent is always going to have a lot more atk levels than you have defense levels, so you should increase your raw defense to better defend yourself from it because all your defense levels is doing is negating a few %'s of additional damage, where way-back-when, they killed you fine before atk/def levels.

so, to me, you're trading your defense to negate this additional damage(which is lower than the amount that they're increasing) instead of defending yourself from the base attack; i'd think you'd have a higher survivability if you defended yourself from their raw attack mainly.

my idea:

http://pwcalc.com/dd5d27ba3ea76d3f

that's lower defense than what i'm use to, my old mage had 17k~ self buffed; but this one has 16 defense levels(it's also only a +10 set, which is definitely within reach of most players these days, and the adorn isn't refinable). it's not helping a whole lot, but it's still negating 16% of their additional damage.


i was going to write more, but i got distracted and forgot what i was saying lol

The theory is right, but often times negating those attack levels increases your survivability more than using vit/garnet/citrine shards. I know you're familiar with asterelle's socket calculator, you may want to toy around on it a bit more.. you'll find that in most cases (at least at end game) jades provide the most survivability.

prof wrote: »

i have, and according to it, 24 vit stones offered the highest survivability with an entirely stoneless mage.

based on this stoneless mage:
http://pwcalc.com/c95e1d0e5f647cf9



as defense levels are "+1% of your current defense against your opponents attack level", wouldn't having a higher phys defense to increase how much those defense levels matter do more?

Could this mage even shard 24 jades? g12 gear . . . .

i did. im sleepy

Spell_Caster - Raging Tide wrote: »

My built for my wiz is R9+12 with jades
Cube neck G16 +11 for att and def levels
Nirv cape and helm +12 with +1 att level gems
Iceborn gems in weap and +45 magic tome also 105 for max magic

111att levels and 62 def levels.

In tw once i am debuffed my survivability drops to 40%.

wtf +45 magic tome lol...and only +11 g16 neck...

Spell_Caster - Raging Tide wrote: »

When you wannaplay the cashopers game you gotta cashup.

yup cashshopper help keep game running. keep up the good work "thumb up"

Spell_Caster - Raging Tide wrote: »

When you wannaplay the cashopers game you gotta cashup.

you do realize you are talking to the most successful merchant on LC right? I'd be willing to bet that cheze's net worth is significantly above yours.

Spell_Caster - Raging Tide wrote: »

Skill is hard to get when you start with OP gears.

Thank you!

I say this and people jump my chit claiming I said I am better than this person or that person. Simple fact is, this is true.

Something I saw some wizards doing that worked well - dueling each other without weapons. Fights last a long time, you learn how to kite, conserve your genie, disables, apoth, etc. And it evens out the playing field a good bit. Alot more fun too than gush critting someone for 5 digits

Maybe Dakill will help you out - if you can find him b:surrender

Spell_Caster - Raging Tide wrote: »

Skill is hard to get when you start with OP gears.

nah I started with full R9 and didn't seem that hard to play a wiz.

Er anyone who can read english has skills already? This skill stuns this one slows this one sleeps? Theres not really a bad in this game is there? =/ I dunno maybe I'm just a mega baddy.