Brutally honest account of addiction

_Dr_Evil_ - Heavens Tear
_Dr_Evil_ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2 Arc User
edited September 2011 in General Discussion
Ive been tinking about posting this thread for a while now and i feel now is the right time to do it. Firstly, if your someone who likes to trash people for been honest and shareing an opinion please dont read any further.b:bye

My reasons for posting this are many but i wil try and put into words why i felt it was necessary to do so. There are many forms of addiction, but one that recieves very little note is addiction to online games such as perfect world. These games never carry a warning like many of the more noteable addictions such as drugs and alcohol. Im going to tell you how becoming addicted to perfect world had a huge negative impact on my life. My aim is to simply raise the awareness of a growing problem and let those that suffer from the addiction (i know there are many) they are not alone. Before i go on id like to add i hold no blame to anyone or any company, i accept the decisions i made were entirely of my own doing.

I guess my story starts 3 years ago when i started suffering with insomnia, no particual reason for this, i wasnt suffering with stress/depression, i just couldnt seem to sleep for more than 3-4 hours a night. With all the spare time that came with not sleeping i tried to find something to occupy my time and thats when i found online games. After trying several noteable tittles i found perfect world and immediately knew this was the game for me.

So that takes us upto around 2 1/2 years ago i guess. So im lvl 60ish and been playing around 6-8 weeks id say. Back then there was no BH, no FF, no hypers, only way to lvl was grind and quest. I found myself eager to log into the game when finishing work and often blew off social invites to stay in and play the game. My girlfriend at the time was becoming annoyed i was spending so much time on the game thus it had a negative impact on my relationship with her. A few months later we split up, not entirely due to my time spent playing PW but it was certainly a factor in her decision to leave me.

So now i have no girlfriend and more spare time and money, and where did i choose to invest these things?...thats right...perfect world. I began to charge more and more gold because lets face it, many(NOT ALL) of those that cashshop alot simply want to be the best and have the best stuff. At this time seeing me down the local pub socialiseing with real life friends was becoming a once a month occurance. A few of my mates tried to point out the fact i was spending to much time playing games but i didnt listen and they eventually gave up.

So an expansion and many patches later takes us upto about one year ago. At this time i was made redundant at work for which i recieved a large settlement. I invensted over half of that in PW. I didnt find the motivation to find a new job thus that meant i had even more spare time, most of which was spent playing PW. I had 4 lvl 100+ toons by this point so had plenty to do. By this time calls from friends and family had become less frequant, id began to gain weight due to been sat on my *** all day and i guess i knew i was begining to suffer with depession but thought little of it.

Realisation hit me about 6 months ago when i began to think about how great my life was before i started playing PW. I didnt quit overnight but with the help of someone very dear to me i eventually quit the game. Id bore u to tears with the details of how i beat my addiction but lets just say that person had experience in dealing with other forms of addiction.

This person i actually met in game, one of the very few positives to come out of the 2 1/2 years i played the game. I do miss the game i guess but i know im better off not playing it. Im back in full time employment and im seeing a realy nice girl, even back in the gym and lookin fit again, lols..

To summarise id add that there are people reading this that are or know those with an addiction to the game, or maybe this thread will simply go unnoticed. I urge you to point out to then that it can lead to having a negative impact on their life and if u can help them in some way.

I am willing to help anyone who is in a similar position to what i was so feel free to pm me as i will check to see if this thread has any impact. This is a growing problem in society and any awareness i can create can only be a good thingb:pleased

Feel free to post any comments on this, but if u feel the need to trash me and call me names id say u have a problem far deeper than any addiction.

Take care and happy gameing

Regards

MJ
b:bye
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  • SoulFeast - Harshlands
    SoulFeast - Harshlands Posts: 77 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Same thing

    Stopped got out with friends.
    going bad in high school.
    sometimes i don't do things for stay in house for play.
    When i can't play because my internet connection down, or i lose it, something like that, i be like "WTF i need to play, i need internet now, i need to play"

    When i have force brake because of internet connection closed, for like 3 weeks or 1 month + i just forget about pwi, the addict gone, i can be better in school, i can meet friends in real life, i can work for my life, but when i'm playing its hard >.> , when we have a Weekend of dropx2, i play like crazy, thats isn't good for life D:

    Sry for my english. thats not my native language n learned it from this game, thats the positive thing XD
  • Empu - Sanctuary
    Empu - Sanctuary Posts: 1,154 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    _Dr_Evil_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    My reasons for posting this are many but i wil try and put into words why i felt it was necessary to do so. There are many forms of addiction, but one that recieves very little note is addiction to online games such as perfect world. These games never carry a warning like many of the more noteable addictions such as drugs and alcohol. Im going to tell you how becoming addicted to perfect world had a huge negative impact on my life. My aim is to simply raise the awareness of a growing problem and let those that suffer from the addiction (i know there are many) they are not alone. Before i go on id like to add i hold no blame to anyone or any company, i accept the decisions i made were entirely of my own doing.

    I am strongly opposed to this idea. Those "warnings", imposed by legislations, are all over the place, and I'm dead tired of being told how I should live, eat, sleep, walk, talk, sit, etc etc etc. Personally, I prefer to live unhealthy and die earlier, rather then be in perfect health living on salad and beans. Doing only what's "good for you", leads to an annoying life. Aren't the "bad" things, the ones that gives us most pleasure? I sure like fries with mayonaise more then an apple.

    Those constant warnings, that are supposed to help us live better, are merely a form of opression. Victimising the ppl, as if they have no own brain that can decide what's "good" or "bad" for them. Wanting those messages is the equivalent of telling you, and all other "normal" ppl, are to dumb to think for their own, and need someone to tell them what to do and what not. Education is the responsability of parents, to lead them to become adults that can make their own decisions. To many ppl these days consider education to be at school, i.e. the State, and now we face all kind of problems of "young ppl" that have no idea about right and wrong, even for themselves.

    You probably think this has nothing to do with your post, but better think again. Your post is exactly incrypted in that global vision. It is way more educating to make a wrong decision, then to constantly have your hand hold to guide you the way like a 3 yo. Or didn't you learn anything from you experience of being addicted?

    You probably see this as trashing from some addicted gamer on your post. I most probably am addicted, but as long as an addiction doesn't hurt you and others more then the pleasure it gives you, I don't see that as a problem. The word "addiction" itself for me is streched way beyonds it's real signification. In a democraty, leading persons and presure groups try to make the population feel like they don't know what's good for themselves, and that the population needs them to tell what to do.

    Yes, there are many that take this game to serious. But who am I to judge on that? How is it "better" to put your money and pride in some car audiosystem (or name any other not-strictly-necessary expense), that is just as useless as having a virtually immortal r9 character in a game?

    I'm glad you got out of a self-destruction circle, but feel bad you hide it behind "addiction". Instead, I think you should face that you lacked the willpower not to play when your girlfriend/friends/family asked you something. Only then, you will have learned something which made you a stronger person.
  • EIvemage - Dreamweaver
    EIvemage - Dreamweaver Posts: 146 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    ive always been a videogamer and most would probably call me addicted because i spend a lot of time playing videogames but i consider those people stupid and judging. playing a lot of videogames is not a bad thing if you do not neglect other things. i just recently graduaded with a noticeable mark average despite playing all my free time minus some time to work out. i skipped school atleast once a week to have more time to play, and as i always stayed up long i was (half) asleep at school (if you have buds to cover you its no problem to take a nap during class). Im sure to most of you this sounds like an addiction, maybe it is (its really hard to tell, i guess no addicts are admitting that they are addicted, but i never have the urge to play, depressions or become aggressive when not on the game so i do not consider myself addicted) but i think that is bull****. when my dad tells me i play to much i say " look at my marks" or " i work out 5 times a week where is the ****ing problem?" and he really has no satifying answer to that. (social relations are irrelevant to me.. i have some really good friends but most of the times i prefer to be alone)
    from july to october this year (on monday oct the 3rd i have to go to the army:( stupid stuff) my days were pretty much the same: 14 hours videogames + 2 hours workout + 8hours sleep. and twice a week its 16 hours videogames + 8 hours sleep. But whenever a friend calls or i know one of them just came back from vacation i give them a call and we do something together
    videogames are no real addiction and i do call people that sacrificy their lives to videogames STUPID. no1 can be brainless enough to grind a game with hardly any endgame content for 12 hours a day (assumption but i guess it was even worse), lose their friends, Gf, job.. and so on. not trashing ur thread but i do consider you a stupid person.
  • XxZavxX - Raging Tide
    XxZavxX - Raging Tide Posts: 603 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    tl;dr

    i suppose you want a poster to go with your heroic struggles in life now too...
  • Noriliza - Sanctuary
    Noriliza - Sanctuary Posts: 82 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    EIvemage - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    i just recently graduaded.

    I like how you called OP a stupid person, that was cool.
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  • EIvemage - Dreamweaver
    EIvemage - Dreamweaver Posts: 146 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Noriliza - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I like how you called OP a stupid person, that was cool.

    trolol that makes no sence stupid
  • Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,864 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    EIvemage - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    most would probably call me addicted because i spend a lot of time playing videogames but i consider those people stupid and judging
    EIvemage - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    videogames are no real addiction and i do call people that sacrificy their lives to videogames STUPID.

    And I'd consider you hypocritical, as well as judging.

    EIvemage - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    trolol that makes no sence stupid

    It does make sense, because it's spelled gaduated.
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  • EIvemage - Dreamweaver
    EIvemage - Dreamweaver Posts: 146 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    And I'd consider you hypocritical, as well as judging.




    It does make sense, because it's spelled gaduated.

    i am not a native speaker. if you cant tell that from all my spelling mistakes then you are stupid (Noriliza).

    and i do not see what is hypocritical about that. i play a lot but do not consider me addicted. and yea i judge him, i find what he did **** and if you think thats wrong then do so. its not like i care
  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    EIvemage - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    and i do not see what is hypocritical about that. i play a lot but do not consider me addicted. and yea i judge him, i find what he did **** and if you think thats wrong then do so. its not like i care

    Most addicts do not consider themselves to be addicted until after they're off and take a look back.

    If you're really not addicted as you say, go take a month off and then come back. After all, as someone not addicted, that shouldn't be a problem for you, right? b:chuckle
  • Noriliza - Sanctuary
    Noriliza - Sanctuary Posts: 82 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    EIvemage - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    i am not a native speaker. if you cant tell that from all my spelling mistakes then you are stupid (Noriliza).

    and i do not see what is hypocritical about that. i play a lot but do not consider me addicted. and yea i judge him, i find what he did **** and if you think thats wrong then do so. its not like i care

    Well then I'd suggest if you are going to call someone names and make rediculous remarks, language barrier or not I'd make sure the spellings right on the"big" words, you have no problem spelling derogatory words I bet. So far even if I think that it's insane to let a video game take control of your life, you and you alone are the only person I would categorize as "stupid" in this thread...no offense.
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  • EIvemage - Dreamweaver
    EIvemage - Dreamweaver Posts: 146 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Noriliza - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Well then I'd suggest if you are going to call someone names and make rediculous remarks, language barrier or not I'd make sure the spellings right on the"big" words, you have no problem spelling derogatory words I bet. So far even if I think that it's insane to let a video game take control of your life, you and you alone are the only person I would categorize as "stupid" in this thread...no offense.

    offending some1 then adding no offence ... you better not call me stupid, idiot. my spelling has nothing to do with my point. if you want we can have this coversation in my mother tongue and i guarantee there wont be any spelling mistakes.
  • LadyofReal - Heavens Tear
    LadyofReal - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,993 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Now now children, we must play nice before we lose this the ability to enjoy this wonderful discussion.

    /end sarcasm

    But on a serious note, people only become addicted to things if they allow themselves to be put into that situation and do nothing to get out of it. So, if you allow yourself to become addicted to a video game, you're an idiot. Drugs and alcohol have ingredients in them to make them addictive, a video game doesn't. Video games were designed as a hobby activity, something to do to pass the time; how much time you dedicate to it is a conscious decision that only you can correct.
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  • Maple_nuts - Heavens Tear
    Maple_nuts - Heavens Tear Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    LadyofReal - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Drugs and alcohol have ingredients in them to make them addictive

    how about s3x? D:
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  • populationcontrol
    populationcontrol Posts: 58 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    First off, warnings are prescriptive laws, as in 'keep off the grass'. It's still up to you to step or not on the grass, but there might be consequences, ie, getting handed a fine for it or in the case of alcohol, getting liver disease, for example. Those are opposed to descriptive laws like gravity, which you can't choose to submit to or not, it submits you to it.


    The OP's post is descriptive. It's his own personal experience, with its own personal effects on his life. But sadly, even those that are the least informed know that addiction is a very common human affliction. Don't remember who, said that a human was a creature of habits. Addiction is an accute habit. One that make you feel like something's wrong when its not fulfilled at whichever interval it's clocked to. Coffee, sugar, nicotine, THC, 'love', etc. Games, by their assiduously repetitive nature, are part of that list. Think of what it would feel like to go blind. You're in the 'habit' of using your sight for pretty much everything you do and suddenly, you can't rely on it anymore. You keep bumping into things, people. You think something is in front of you and reach for it but can't find it. You becomee increasingly anxious and hesitant because you're doubting yourself, your judgement. You try to use your other senses but they weren't really trained to take on the role your sight had. Can you judge the size of an object with your hands only? Or that of a room with sound? Let alone with taste or smell. This is how it feels to not have your 'dose', whatever that 'dose' is. This is how it feels to have to re-learn to live without something that pervaded every part of your life. You feel lost, impotent, like the whole world just crumbled down on you and you have to rebuild it. But, you need to get out from under this rubble first. It's hard. Just as hard as the analogy sounds. Rarely can anyone do it on their own. And when you're out, you can't help but try to let others know to be careful. You don't want them to go through the same thing you did, suffer as much as you did, however much that is.

    If you want to know how it is, don't take our word for it, chose something you think you can't live without, or that could be really hard to. Stop playing games for a week. Drinking alcohol. Or just coffee, if you have a hard time getting by your day without it. At the root, an addiction is much simpler and more natural that some make it out to be. It's just that some of those habits have become extreme, perceived to be vital in normal functioning.

    For me it's as simple as feeling like I'm missing something when I haven't touched my guitar in a week or as complex as feeling nauseous, anxious, sweaty and achy for 2 weeks when I stopped taking drugs. It takes energy, resolve and time. Habits are by definition hard to break.

    Hope I made at least SOME sense ><;
  • Maple_nuts - Heavens Tear
    Maple_nuts - Heavens Tear Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    populationcontrol wrote: »
    'love'

    Tis spelled wrong D:<
    populationcontrol wrote: »
    If you want to know how it is, don't take our word for it, chose something you think you can't live without, or that could be really hard to. Stop playing games for a week. Drinking alcohol. Or just coffee
    populationcontrol wrote: »
    Or just coffee

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  • LadyofReal - Heavens Tear
    LadyofReal - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,993 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Well, yes, I guess you could call that addicting. Nymphomaniacs, I would assume, are in some way addicted to the euphoric feeling created by the pheromones that are released during the act. But that's an entirely different subject that I really don't think is appropriate for general discussion.
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  • Maple_nuts - Heavens Tear
    Maple_nuts - Heavens Tear Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    LadyofReal - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Well, yes, I guess you could call that addicting. Nymphomaniacs, I would assume, are in some way addicted to the euphoric feeling created by the pheromones that are released during the act. But that's an entirely different subject that I really don't think is appropriate for general discussion.

    >_> that was meant to lighten up this Thread, no explanation needed lol
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  • LadyofReal - Heavens Tear
    LadyofReal - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,993 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    I figured as much, but wanted to be a smartass and reply anyway.
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  • Jay_Dubbz - Lost City
    Jay_Dubbz - Lost City Posts: 385 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    what? lol

    I can understand being addicted to other better mmos with actual content but this, wha?. What actually addicts you to this game, lvling to 100 a thousand times, doing nirvana a thousand times? Realizing this game has little content a thousand times?

    and its funny the name of this thread is "honest account" of addiction when it look like a fake account lol
  • Noriliza - Sanctuary
    Noriliza - Sanctuary Posts: 82 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    EIvemage - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    offending some1 then adding no offence ... you better not call me stupid, idiot. my spelling has nothing to do with my point. if you want we can have this coversation in my mother tongue and i guarantee there wont be any spelling mistakes.


    I don't know that a conversation is what I'd do with your mothers tongue....ijs
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  • Miugre - Heavens Tear
    Miugre - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Interesting thread, OP, but there's one point where I just said "yep, that's where he went wrong:"
    _Dr_Evil_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I found myself eager to log into the game when finishing work and often blew off social invites to stay in and play the game.
    Everything up to this point was normal and natural for a gamer. Everything after it is just a description of how it snowballed from there.

    Each case of addiction is different, and your charge right now is to find out exactly how and why you let it snowball like that. This is the kind of thing that involves a lot of personal reflection, and potentially some very painful questions. Why did you favor PWI over social interactions? How was your girlfriend's build-up to leaving you not a gigantic sign reading, "YOU'RE IN TOO DEEP"? What are you most vulnerable to, and what steps can you take to ensure that the same thing doesn't happen next time?

    In general, you sound like you're at a prime moment to take inventory of your life. But don't just come out of it with a decision to swear off gaming or something. That's the easy way out. It assumes that you'll "never change" or "never get better." Games, like most other things in life, can certainly be approached maturely and constructively. Why you failed to do that with PWI is a quandary you can only answer yourself, and being honest with yourself is key in that effort.

    Good luck.


    Empu - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I am strongly opposed to this idea. Those "warnings", imposed by legislations, are all over the place, and I'm dead tired of being told how I should live, eat, sleep, walk, talk, sit, etc etc etc. Personally, I prefer to live unhealthy and die earlier, rather then be in perfect health living on salad and beans. Doing only what's "good for you", leads to an annoying life. Aren't the "bad" things, the ones that gives us most pleasure? I sure like fries with mayonaise more then an apple.
    Well I certainly hope you like the weight that comes with those fries, too. And before you accuse me of blindly parroting the legislators - fast food is certainly a vice of mine as well, and I don't need anyone to tell me that it's bad. But you don't see me ranting and raging on "being told" what to do, either.

    It's one thing to make your own decisions, but it's quite another to go against someone else's suggestions just because someone else told them to you. Don't eat fast food just because a health nut said you shouldn't - that's just as much letting them be the boss of you as it would be if you'd followed their suggestions.

    And on a side note, the whole "I don't wanna live on rabbit food QQQQQ" thing just shows that you know next to nothing about how dieting works (except maybe for BS fad diets).
    LadyofReal - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    But on a serious note, people only become addicted to things if they allow themselves to be put into that situation and do nothing to get out of it. So, if you allow yourself to become addicted to a video game, you're an idiot. Drugs and alcohol have ingredients in them to make them addictive, a video game doesn't. Video games were designed as a hobby activity, something to do to pass the time; how much time you dedicate to it is a conscious decision that only you can correct.
    This.

    I mean, there are certainly some people who are more predisposed to letting themselves become addicted to games... but at the end of the day, it's still a personal problem which can't be corrected by laws or restrictions or regulations (and I say that as a liberal, mind you :P). It can be corrected only by personal growth and maturity, which is a continuous and life-long process.
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  • _Dr_Evil_ - Heavens Tear
    _Dr_Evil_ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    I see this thread, as usual with ANY thread, has insighted name calling and bad behaviour. I appreciate those who contributed in a constructive manor. As for those that call me/someone else names did i not ask that you refrain from doing so? *shrugs*

    @ Empu

    Yes i did lack the willpower not to play when asked by friends and family but thats all part of the visious circle of addiction, to my shame i put the game 1st. And yeah, i learnt alot from my addcition, having never taken drugs or had any other forms of adiction it was hard for me to realise the trap id led myself into but once free i can now appreciate now wrong/deluded/ignorant, call me what u will, i was during me time playing PW.

    Your also correct in saying its more educating to make a wrong decission and not be guided through it like a three year old. I did learn from my misstakes and all im tring to do is pass on my own experiance and who knows...maybe even help someone not make
    the same misstakes i did. Appreciate the constructive comments anyways, cheers.

    ----

    All in all im pleased with the response this thread has generated and in no way am i going to be pushing for any form of legislation that must accompany video games as addictive, lols. Raiseing awareness is my aim here and well...idk, just something i felt i had to do.... its hard to put into words....b:surrender
  • Daedallus - Sanctuary
    Daedallus - Sanctuary Posts: 554 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Does beating up your wife and children because they interrupt you while you're watching the CS countdown count as addiction???b:chuckle

    Now, more seriously, I've ben a bt addicted to PWI, but at the moment I can very well stay a number of days without logging.

    I thank PWI for allowing all the cheaters to get their way, because I truly believe that it was that disappointment that triggered me to stop being addicted.

    As for the OP, I hope you get over your addiction and have great luck in life b:victory
  • ResMePls - Heavens Tear
    ResMePls - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,349 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    LadyofReal - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Now now children, we must play nice before we lose this the ability to enjoy this wonderful discussion.

    /end sarcasm

    But on a serious note, people only become addicted to things if they allow themselves to be put into that situation and do nothing to get out of it. So, if you allow yourself to become addicted to a video game, you're an idiot. Drugs and alcohol have ingredients in them to make them addictive, a video game doesn't. Video games were designed as a hobby activity, something to do to pass the time; how much time you dedicate to it is a conscious decision that only you can correct.

    Y0ur wr0ng. D0 y0u really believe that? G0 d0 s0me research first 0n that n0te. I will use PWI as an example t0 y0u 0ut, packs.......By far the m0st addictive thing in the b0utique that makes pe0ple spend due t0 the GAMBLING ASPECT 0f it. D0 y0u really think PWI put that in their f0r the l0ls? N0 they kn0w CSers wh0 like t0 gamble will get h00ked 0n them and spend spend spendb:surrender.
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  • Skulla - Dreamweaver
    Skulla - Dreamweaver Posts: 163 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    @OP: I am NOT trashing/flaming you personally!

    1. Addiction is a fallacy; The human brain can overcome ANY and ALL"uncontrollable desire".

    2. Even substances that alter the chemical receptor count on cell structures can be overcome by an active and willing mind that has ample motivation to deny the "addictive" substance.

    3. If you honestly think that getting back to a "normal life" is something to be grateful for you probably haven't looked to deeply into the rat race that IS normal life.

    4. Too many people are fooled into believing that there is something wrong with them because they engage in some activity to a degree that other "normal" people tell them is bad.

    5. If you engage in any behavior that prevents you from keeping yourself alive, that's a problem. It is NOT an insurmountable problem (see #1. above).

    6. Legislation and treatment of "addictions" make A LOT of jobs/money for people.

    7. If you're not participating in the real world's rat race, I guaran-freakin-tee you SOMEBODY is going to point out that you have a problem and you need to get it rectified.

    8. The best way to behave is to do whatever you feel like doing in moderation and without causing harm to another person.
  • chaoticshelly
    chaoticshelly Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Sadly this topic degraded to insults and no longer serves for what it was opened for.

    Closed.
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