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lubyew
lubyew Posts: 34 Arc User
edited September 2011 in Assassin
sage 2.86 r9 ( sparked) 3.33 with genie

vs

demon 4.00 r9 ( sparked)

which is better for solo farming?

much appreciated if i get a decent answer.


thanks in advance.

(both sins have 500 dex, both fully DoT sharded, both with drakesflame x2)
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  • Pytharia - Lost City
    Pytharia - Lost City Posts: 757 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    why would you put 500 dex on a sin? 100 mag 200 str 200 dex
  • Ebrithalia - Dreamweaver
    Ebrithalia - Dreamweaver Posts: 441 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Pytharia - Lost City wrote: »
    why would you put 500 dex on a sin? 100 mag 200 str 200 dex

    Is this comment supposed to be a joke?
    Ebrithalia -Sage Seeker
  • Pytharia - Lost City
    Pytharia - Lost City Posts: 757 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Ebrithalia - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Is this comment supposed to be a joke?

    You need 100 mag for 5 aps. Silly billy. 100 mag = 0.05 int. Wow don't people know this already?
  • Ebrithalia - Dreamweaver
    Ebrithalia - Dreamweaver Posts: 441 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Pytharia - Lost City wrote: »
    You need 100 mag for 5 aps. Silly billy. 100 mag = 0.05 int. Wow don't people know this already?

    I wonder where did that stupid idea came from. 100 mag = -0,05 int.....O.o thats new. First time hearing that. And i know a lot of sin 5 aps and mag is always 5 (the base). So where the hell did you get that idea o.O.
    Ebrithalia -Sage Seeker
  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Pytharia - Lost City wrote: »
    You need 100 mag for 5 aps. Silly billy. 100 mag = 0.05 int. Wow don't people know this already?

    that only works if you are using a pataka
    BladedZero - Sanctuary
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    -And we wonder why this game has gone to hell b:cute
  • Pytharia - Lost City
    Pytharia - Lost City Posts: 757 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    that only works if you are using a pataka

    Well dur, pataka phys damage is superior to daggers, have you guys been hiding under rocks the last few updates?
  • TolanSky - Heavens Tear
    TolanSky - Heavens Tear Posts: 598 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Pytharia - Lost City wrote: »
    Well dur, pataka phys damage is superior to daggers, have you guys been hiding under rocks the last few updates?

    No nevermind that with a Pataka you can't use any of the Sin's ordinary skills. Somehow I have to wonder at the fact that you made it to 61 on Sin with this train of thought.
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  • Pytharia - Lost City
    Pytharia - Lost City Posts: 757 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    TolanSky - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    No nevermind that with a Pataka you can't use any of the Sin's ordinary skills. Somehow I have to wonder at the fact that you made it to 61 on Sin with this train of thought.

    I'm a level 62 with 5 aps, i have 100 mage and all aps gear. I use level 5 Daggers for my dagger skills, you don't need high damage daggers to use sin skills. Please don't post if you know nothing about this class.
  • TolanSky - Heavens Tear
    TolanSky - Heavens Tear Posts: 598 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Pytharia - Lost City wrote: »
    I'm a level 62 with 5 aps, i have 100 mage and all aps gear. I use level 5 Daggers for my dagger skills, you don't need high damage daggers to use sin skills. Please don't post if you know nothing about this class.

    I have a level 60 Sin. I find it hard to believe that there is even a way for a Sin to obtain 5 APS by level 62, much less while using Daggers. If there were I think more people than just you would be aware of it and using it.

    Also your Avatar either hasn't updated or you are just plain lying about being level 62. Because your Avatar states that you are level 61.
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  • Pytharia - Lost City
    Pytharia - Lost City Posts: 757 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    TolanSky - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I have a level 60 Sin. I find it hard to believe that there is even a way for a Sin to obtain 5 APS by level 62, much less while using Daggers. If there were I think more people than just you would be aware of it and using it.

    Also your Avatar either hasn't updated or you are just plain lying about being level 62. Because your Avatar states that you are level 61.

    A lot of sins are 5 aps at level 40... See this is why I said don't post unless you know what you're talking about. Nobody uses daggers any more, that was so 2011, patakas is where it's at in 2011. I'm staying level 61 cos I'm capping myself for delta, if I'm level 62, I can't do delta. /facepalm

    Also why are you even leveling that seeker? you know seekers can't get aps, it's a joke! aps or nothing.
  • TolanSky - Heavens Tear
    TolanSky - Heavens Tear Posts: 598 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Pytharia - Lost City wrote: »
    Also why are you even leveling that seeker? you know seekers can't get aps, it's a joke! aps or nothing.

    Uh huh... this coming from an individual who seriously thinks Pataka's are a Sin's best friend.
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  • Pytharia - Lost City
    Pytharia - Lost City Posts: 757 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    http://pwcalc.com/a30f227f63dfc69c

    You need the mage for the extra 0.05 int, go on compare this awesome pataka to ANY daggers and tell me who's right. Again, don't talk about a class you know nothing about. This build even beats 5aps BM's at level 101. That's why sins ruined the game, they're too good. But I don't care, keyboARD SmasH to win all the way.
  • TolanSky - Heavens Tear
    TolanSky - Heavens Tear Posts: 598 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    You do realize how expensive that build is going to be right? Not to mention that despite the fact that it can dish out obscene amounts of damage at least in theory, it is still sub optimal compared to a 4.0 APS Assassin with the Rank 9 Daggers?

    Not to mention that with that build Blood Paint is absolutely useless.
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  • Pytharia - Lost City
    Pytharia - Lost City Posts: 757 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    TolanSky - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    You do realize how expensive that build is going to be right? Not to mention that despite the fact that it can dish out obscene amounts of damage at least in theory, it is still sub optimal compared to a 4.0 APS Assassin with the Rank 9 Daggers?

    Not to mention that with that build Blood Paint is absolutely useless.

    Now this is where you are wrong. If you use the pataka for melee damage you get bloodpaint for it. If you use it for magic attacks you don't.

    There has been an update in PWI that makes the -0.1 int much more common so it's very easy. All my gear cost maybe 50m max (minus the tome of course, BUT you can replace that with -int boots, so you do not need that tome), but it's droping in price fast cos more people are making them making it much more common.
    Also If you get level 89 with this pataka, you will do much more damage than R9 cos it's got much higher base damage and demon spark works on base damage.

    Why else do you think they are making recasts for R9? It's to make R9 better.
  • Ebrithalia - Dreamweaver
    Ebrithalia - Dreamweaver Posts: 441 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Pytharia - Lost City wrote: »
    http://pwcalc.com/a30f227f63dfc69c

    You need the mage for the extra 0.05 int, go on compare this awesome pataka to ANY daggers and tell me who's right. Again, don't talk about a class you know nothing about. This build even beats 5aps BM's at level 101. That's why sins ruined the game, they're too good. But I don't care, keyboARD SmasH to win all the way.

    Not to mention also that this build is impossible *sweatdrop* You just played around the stat and made everything -int *again sweatdrop* and the pataka is worse on the modification. Can a Gm close this thread(or just transfer it somewhere else) for pure nonsense where it does not belong.

    P.S to all, this thread is a joke.
    Ebrithalia -Sage Seeker
  • Pytharia - Lost City
    Pytharia - Lost City Posts: 757 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Ebrithalia - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Not to mention also that this build is impossible *sweatdrop* You just played around the stat and made everything -int *again sweatdrop* and the pataka is worse on the modification. Can a Gm close this thread(or just transfer it somewhere else) for pure nonsense where it does not belong.

    P.S to all, this thread is a joke.

    Far from it. I didn't play around with any stats. Please read all the recent updates, all this is possible now.
  • lubyew
    lubyew Posts: 34 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    b:chuckle


    any serious answers?
  • TolanSky - Heavens Tear
    TolanSky - Heavens Tear Posts: 598 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Pytharia - Lost City wrote: »
    Far from it. I didn't play around with any stats. Please read all the recent updates, all this is possible now.

    yeah, if you can possibly find gear that broken somewhere. Half that gear won't be nearly as good as what you posted on PW Calculator when you actually go to try and find it on the servers. At best I theorize that most of it will have at most -0.05 Int and will have far less in the way of base defense / offense stats than what you imply in your information in this thread.

    EDIT: to answer your question OP, based on what I have seen, Demon Spark is better for purposes of high damage output and killing mobs faster. Sage Spark is better if you want a higher base defense score and higher survivability rate. Additionally Demon Spark is more of an auto Pilot type version of the class where as Sage Spark requires some actual thought to play. Choose whichever fits your play style I suppose.
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  • Pytharia - Lost City
    Pytharia - Lost City Posts: 757 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    If you go with the stupid way and get R9 instead of Pataka... Then If you get sage and use a genie for 3.33 is stupid because it will cancle your sage spark's defence so that's worth less. And R9 4.0 spark will provide more damage (bare in mind i'm talking about pure damage, spark > auto attack) and possible better survivability because you'll get faster BP which will heal you better, providing your defences are decent.

    But use Pataka you noob.
  • TolanSky - Heavens Tear
    TolanSky - Heavens Tear Posts: 598 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    can we please get a lock of this thread before people get mislead even more and begin to fail at the occupation of Assassin?
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  • Ebrithalia - Dreamweaver
    Ebrithalia - Dreamweaver Posts: 441 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Pytharia - Lost City wrote: »
    Far from it. I didn't play around with any stats. Please read all the recent updates, all this is possible now.

    b:sweat plz tell me where you can get a pataka that as that much base physical attack. (that base is higher then any sngle r9 weapon and its a lvl 52 patakab:shocked)

    *cough* As i said before, this thread is a joke
    Ebrithalia -Sage Seeker
  • TolanSky - Heavens Tear
    TolanSky - Heavens Tear Posts: 598 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    Ebrithalia - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    b:sweat plz tell me where you can get a pataka that as that much base physical attack. (that base is higher then any sngle r9 weapon and its a lvl 52 patakab:shocked)

    *cough* As i said before, this thread is a joke

    Actually I did look up the Fine Pataka of Bodhi (the weapon she cites in her PW Calculator Post) and it doesn't do nearly the amount of damage she suggests. In fact it doesn't even have -INT on it...
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  • Ebrithalia - Dreamweaver
    Ebrithalia - Dreamweaver Posts: 441 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    TolanSky - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Actually I did look up the Fine Pataka of Bodhi (the weapon she cites in her PW Calculator Post) and it doesn't do nearly the amount of damage she suggests. In fact it doesn't even have -INT on it...

    That why i said she played with the stat :) That pataka does not exist with those stat, period.
    Ebrithalia -Sage Seeker
  • lubyew
    lubyew Posts: 34 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    using genie takes away the defence bonus from sage spark?
  • Pytharia - Lost City
    Pytharia - Lost City Posts: 757 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    lubyew wrote: »
    using genie takes away the defence bonus from sage spark?

    using windshield yes. It reduces damage by 15% and it over writes the sage spark buff.
  • lubyew
    lubyew Posts: 34 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    ok thanks
  • TolanSky - Heavens Tear
    TolanSky - Heavens Tear Posts: 598 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    lubyew wrote: »
    ok thanks

    the only reason I believe she is right about WindShield, is because Windshield specifically reduces physical damage taken. That said, that doesn't change the fact that there is another Genie Skill that also increases APS that probably does not affect Sage Spark.

    Relentless Courage.
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  • lubyew
    lubyew Posts: 34 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    true but if u use RC then u need alot of vit on the genie
  • TolanSky - Heavens Tear
    TolanSky - Heavens Tear Posts: 598 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    lubyew wrote: »
    true but if u use RC then u need alot of vit on the genie

    You should have a lot of vit on the Genie in the first place considering that increases the number of MP the Genie has, which in turn increases the amount of skills you can use in a row without having to wait for the Genie to recharge on MP. Same goes for Magic which determines how long it takes for the Genie to recharge it's MP.

    Really, Strength and Dexterity on a Genie are sub optimal stats that are only really useful for increasing the base effect of the Genies abilities. If you want to increase the Genies overall usefulness however you want it's Magic and Vitality increased more than anything else. With my Genies I always try to get them 40 Vitality and 50 Magic right off the bat as that gives me a 2.00 / sec regen on MP and 140 MP total.
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  • Pytharia - Lost City
    Pytharia - Lost City Posts: 757 Arc User
    edited September 2011
    I'm not trolling.

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