Gooning for spirit?

Evinerre - Lost City wrote: »

I know PWI made a change to goons, now they give 90% less exp. This is not going to stop the problem however. Since fixing it will not happen, what if we cut off the exp and allow them to be used to farm spirit? Spirit is absolutely harmless, its only uses being skills and genies. This is much less game breaking, and it would be damn helpful for higher levels who need spirit for sage/demon skills. If your not gonna fix it this seems like a good alternative.

the one bad part i can think of is that if you can stockpile spirit like that, you can use it to make money off genies through exp cubes, or just an op genie, which is rather unfair

its a stupid solution tbh cuz it affects the ppl that do FF legitly aswell. they should just freakin fix the glitch altogether instead of being lazy and nerfing the exp it gives.

Evinerre - Lost City wrote: »

I know PWI made a change to goons, now they give 90% less exp. This is not going to stop the problem however. Since fixing it will not happen, what if we cut off the exp and allow them to be used to farm spirit? Spirit is absolutely harmless, its only uses being skills and genies. This is much less game breaking, and it would be damn helpful for higher levels who need spirit for sage/demon skills. If your not gonna fix it this seems like a good alternative.

I'm not quite sure you got the concept of why "goons" aka spawning dragoons, were xp/sp nerfed to begin with. I don't think it was to give people who used this "exploit" (by their words) more incentive to do so after changing it to make it extremely less desirable. /facepalm

Just for argument's sake though, by the time you get to a level where taking down dragoons is cake, you already have an excessive amount of spirit (by my recollection, after learning base skills to max non-demon/sage, by 100 it's still in the 30-45m range). Let's be honest, it's to try and make 100/100 LP genies either for e-peen's sake or for making a profit by selling.

Futurelord - Dreamweaver wrote: »

You sir, i call B.S.
As a lvl100 i've had to do FC legit several times to get enough spirit to level my skills to demon, and i still dont have enough for the final few+lvl100 skills.

Tell me to do FC "more" then a person can mentally tolerate and i will send you to the bottom of my home 'City of Plume" and watch you become soil and food.

P.S. the only people capable of aoeing goons to the point of making such a genie worth it (Since thats alot of spirit to burn/genies to make to get that lucky, minus repair bills, mana/hp cost, apoths, genie stamina.) are the people who are already rich enough to not need more money.

You can call it whatever you like, but here's the math:

Depending on whether or not you use quest sp or mob sp (0.2 or 0.25:1 of xp -- closer to 0.25 since most do FF 80+ -- and ignoring using brainpowers), you get..

60.725m - 75.906m spirit between 1 and 100.

All cleric demon skills+bb+rb+hour buffs+79 skills = 48m spirit. With 100 skills added that's 56m, even though both 100 cleric skills are a waste, as well as a number of sage/demon skills like BOTP/TB as well as bothering to get both VS/MS as a demon, can easily shave off 5-10m spirit from that by being logically picky.

Either way, you have 4-20m sp left over presuming you max out every single skill possible as a cleric, more if picky. Plus, from 100 to 101, you get another 13-20m spirit.

Seriously, don't need more.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

even though both 100 cleric skills are a waste.

I stopped reading there.

DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »

Wow, you read a lot of his post then b:laugh

I know and I think it tainted me =/ Well I skipped the first few, he said math b:chuckle