9-11-01 ....A Moment of Silence

VenoMKII - Harshlands wrote: »

Theres been bigger disasters with more devastating effects.

Stop blowing this thing into such a big deal, the only people who should be crying are those involved, either directly or by being related / close friends with victims.

Perhaps you don't understand the difference between a natural disaster and a terrorist attack. Let me explain:

A natural disaster, such as Hurricane Katrina, the Earthquakes in Indonesia and Japan, and even the Greensburg Tornado are tragedies. Most people will empathize with those affected. These are natural disasters though, they are, unfortunately, expected to happen as it is just the way nature works. We don't want them to happen, but we have no control over them. They are indeed horrible.

A terrorist attack though is far more tragic. It is not because there was more or less people killed, or the ways they died, or the amount of property that was damaged. It's because we (humans) have the ability to control these things, yet don't. Now, this isn't me going on saying "Bush made 9/11 happen."

If you are one of those people, leave now and shut up, I'm not a fan of Bush but there is no way he would want any citizen to die needlessly. Was he a great president, not really, he had his moments good and bad. He is still a good person though, just ask anyone in the Secret Service, they would know what kind of man he is. Back to the subject.

A terrorist attack can be stopped. We as humans do not have to kill each other, do not have to torture and maim each other. We have a choice of whether or not we hurt others. The fact that a group of men wanted to hurt other people is what makes it worse. The fact that one person can do that to another is what makes it worse. bin Laden had a choice to not attack anyone, to attempt to achieve his goals through humane ways, but he did not. That is what makes a terrorist attack worse than a natural disaster. That it can be prevented, but is not is what makes it worse.

VenoMKII - Harshlands wrote: »

You read me wrong

It was a disaster, it sucks those people all got killed, but 7 years (If not more, im not sure and dont care) of "being sad" about it is just pathetic. Hiroshima doesnt get this much worldwide "empathy" and it was miles worse.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were tragic as well. However, you are comparing apples to potatoes, it isn't even to an orange. The atomic bombs dropped were truly horrific. Were they necessary? It is debatable, but there are two things to consider with it. First, America was attacked first. They did not ask to be brought into a war, but were regardless. Second, it was war.

You cannot compare a war time decision to try and end a war which most likely never would have ended otherwise (until either America surrendered, or nearly every Japanese person was killed) to a terrorist attack. The Japanese are very proud and would not give up the war unless they were struck with such a decisive blow that they had no choice. War is like that unfortunately, and it is not fair or right, but it is war nonetheless. Should Nagasaki have happened? Probably not. Three days was not enough time to allow the Japanese to completely consider their options. However, it did ultimately end the war much sooner.

rainbowyoshii wrote: »

in terms of disasters hurricane katrina was probally equal to 9/11. but not many ppl care about that either. the earthquake over in japan was even bigger and affected an entire country rather then just a city, yet ppl (americans in particular) dont care. infact some americans even went as far as saying japan got what they deserved because of pearl harbor. its kinda sickening and utterly disgusting really.

You were just on PolIo's case about being ignorant, yet you say that? Do you realize how ignorant that statement is? Unless you know at least 50% of the American population on a personal level, you really can't make that claim. Seeing as I very much doubt you know even a fraction of a percent of the American population, I doubt you would have much credibility in knowing what "Americans in particular" thought.

As an American, I can say that in my city, there were many people organizing to send supplies to help the Japanese after their earthquake. Yes, there were people saying they got what they deserved for Pearl Harbor, but those people were few and far between, and quickly put down by many others who did not think alike. Just because a small group say something doesn't mean the entire, or even most of the country think the same.

I'm not going to say what Americans in general thought about any one thing, but the squeaky wheel gets the oil, and usually the group appearing to be loudest is the one saying the most outrageous things.

rainbowyoshii wrote: »

aclius, you DO realize terrorist attacks happen ALL the time and not just during the events of 9/11 right?

No one was saying it doesn't happen. No one was saying they don't sympathize with it. You know what? I'm not American. My country is hit by terror attacks on nearly a daily basis - I don't care if no one sympathizes with me, I myself am almost apathetic to those reports because it's the reality I live in. However, I do sympathize with the 9-11 attacks.

Now please, let this topic carry on for the purpose it was opened for.

Edit to respect Shelly's request.

Why hasn't this thread been moved to off topic? as it has nothing to do with PW, I aint going to sit here and say "my prayers/thoughts/what ever goes out to the people that died/familys" because to start with, it's a forum that belongs to a game, second, I highly doubt the people related to 9-11 will be reading this.

Do your jobs, mods.

oh brilliant, the drama has managed to carry itself over to a topic that's not even game-related
let's just close this thread before things get any worse

VenoMKII - Harshlands wrote: »

Who remembers the dates of the London Bombings? Without googling them?

Few, because its not in America, land of the "important" >_>

How many people outside America know the date of these attacks? Well, you didn't considering you said...

...but 7 years (If not more, im not sure and dont care)...

My guess is you probably didn't even know that today was the 10 year anniversary of the attacks until someone mentioned that the anniversary was coming up, and even then you didn't realize it was 10 years, not 7. Why do we know this date so well? Because it is something that affected us. Typically people will not remember dates unless they have a profound impact on them.

For example, I remember 9/11, I remember when Micheal Jackson died, I remember when Elvis died, I remember when I was born. I remember the days my dogs died, I remember the day my brother joined the Army, I remember the day my best friend had committed suicide. Why do I remember these dates? Because they affected me. Why do so many people remember 9/11? Because it affected them.

But you know what the main reason why most people will remember 9/11? It's because it was the most successful and devastating attack on America since Pearl Harbor. And worse yet, it wasn't a declaration of war by another country, it wasn't an attack on our military installations; it was a terrorist attack that killed thousands of civilians and injured over twice as many.

I just remember sitting in my 7th grade homeroom, watching the news thinking, "What the hell just happened?".

I was in my Pre Calc class as a Freshman in Highschool and we all went to the auditorium and spent the next 3 days of school watching the news.

VenoMKII - Harshlands wrote: »

It really does say it all.

"EVERYONE LOOK AT ME, I WANT ATTENTION"

for some ppl in the states obnoxious flag waving and try to bossing others around is part of their modus operandi

rip those who died

hope foxrunning gets some help for his/her problem