Why do you play PWI or visit these forums if you hate it so much?

let me think, problems arise in a game and you expect no one to say a word? you just expect everyone that finds problems with the games to quit?, if players never expressed there opinions or ideas in the forums, the GM's would never know what's wrong and why there player base is getting smaller, at least think before making one of "these" threads.

Ikarium - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I love how people try and throw that in my face. I'm not a beta player, but I was heavy into the game before even the Age of Spirits (genie) expansion. I had to grind levels in my 40's coz there was no other way. Did the long-*** TT's, spammed for FQ, did NS Zhen, WQ, and remember gold around 100k or so. So yes, I have seen the game evolve from that into what it is now.

So you don't believe there's anything wrong with this game that's worth pointing out?

Oh, the QQ and the hate are stifling, I'll agree with you on that. But most of it is born out of a genuine wish to see this game get better. The sad fact is, all that love for this game we had in 2009 has been gradually betrayed and abused over time. So it's little wonder why some people are so cynical. :-/

Now if you ask me, I think some of them are cynical because 99% of the population embraced all of the negative changes (r8, aps, etc.) even after railing against them. "This is just how the game is now," they'll say. But why remove yourself from the elements that made the game fun?

do you other posters actually READ?

he said "haters" he said "realizes there are legit problems

you two are trying to turn HATE into "pointing out", which he made mention of as things to be legitimately complained about.

ok, that's all the effort you get out of me to explain the concept in an understandable manner.

CheetahWoods - Raging Tide wrote: »

do you other posters actually READ?

he said "haters" he said "realizes there are legit problems

you two are trying to turn HATE into "pointing out", which he made mention of as things to be legitimately complained about.

ok, that's all the effort you get out of me to explain the concept in an understandable manner.

OP was talking about the hate. The hate is, for the most part, a result of the community's cynicism after years of being spat on by the management. So how is "pointing out problems" not fair game? You think the hate just comes out of nowhere?

EDIT:

Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »

Seriously, when this game first came out it had huge potential to be one of the biggest MMOs out there. The foundation was laid amazingly well and could have been great.

Unfortunately laziness and incompetence have lead to very few content updates, the vast majority of which were mediocre and half completed. It has led to bugs not being fixed for YEARS.

I honestly couldn't care less about the cash shop or whatever, what irks me is that after 3 years this game has received virtually no attention other than "HEY BUY THIS COOL NEW THING". If it was, buy this cool new thing to help with this new content, I would be ecstatic. But no, the potential this game had has been thrown out the window.

Oh snap. When Rawrgh makes a serious post about it, it's gotta be important.
If you can't tell, that means I agree with ya. XD

Ikarium - Dreamweaver wrote: »

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No, its not what you want to express concerns about...its the method. You can come here and launch a normal tone and valid discussion about new packs. Or, you can come here and start a topic that starts right of with a hate-filled rant and is yelling anger.
if it upsets you that much, why continue tp play and post?

Theres a difference bewteen wanting to express concern, wanting to make it better, offering opinion and screaming hatred.

why do u care about ppl who get emotional over game?


u get emotional

So after reading through this thread it seems the OP has a problem with the vitriolic spew that leaks out of some peoples brains into his/her eyes and ears.

The OP doesn't seem to care that the game (as it was originally released to us) was an excellent example of a stable, fair and balanced formula of a play:reward ratio.

The OP doesn't seem to care that the "authorities" of the game exploited the greed of less "mature" individuals to maximize their profit margins at the expense of the stable, fair and balanced game play formula.

The OP doesn't seem to care that without said exploitation by the "authorities" of the game, that even at their worst, the less "mature" players wouldn't have been able to obliterate the stable, fair and balanced game play formula.

The worst that could have happened, IF the "authorities" of the game had maintained a modicum of restraint in their relentless pursuit of profit would have been player vs. player exploitation (most people like to call it free market economics).

Once the "authorities" decided to throw "poor" players under the bus-sized wallets of "wealthy" players (to increase the size of their own wallets), the balanced game play formula was destroyed and replaced with an ultra-competitive formula that (whether intentionally or not) has transformed a "gaming community" into a knock-down, drag-out, free-for-all, no-holds-barred, win at any cost or be made to feel inferior pressure cooker.

There are some of us out here who still try to ignore the disparity of the current state of the game. Some who still try to "play" Perfect World rather than "work" it. It gets harder all the time to ignore the gaps though. It's harder on some to see the changes that have occurred over time from what was and could have been to what is (and based on past experience, what will be).

Am I angry about people who "get" more "stuff" in a game than I do? Not even remotely.
Because everything is obtainable.

Am I angry about people who enjoy degrading people who haven't "got good stuff"? You betcha.
Because you could help them instead.

Am I angry about a company that tries to make money off of it's property? Not even remotely.
Because they deserve to be compensated.

Am I angry about a company that blatantly increases profits by intentionally widening the gaps between "wealthy" vs. "poor" players thus destabilizing the "gaming community"? Ya think?
Because they could have taken their money over the long haul instead.

So in answer to your question (which was: Why do I still come here to play or type?)
It's not the game that I hate...
It's the people who can't control their greed that I have a major problem with. (Hate is reserved for things that can't be changed.)

I believe that the community of gamers could make the necessary changes to the way they play that would put this game back to "rights". Even without the involvement of the game "authorities".
I also realize that the likelihood of enough people understanding what I wrote here to make the pipe-dream of a restored Perfect World into a reality is about the same as discovering a four-leaf clover in the middle of the Sahara Desert.

Meh... I don't think the OP wanted to say there's nothing wrong with the game...

Imo it's just sad what kind of place the forums became. There's a new thread, an interested player asking something. Promptly he gets flocked by five people saying how much this game sucks, how greedy the company is, and meh...
I'm not saying everything's alright, don't get that wrong. But that's just pointless hate. If you're really that unhappy, just quit.
I pretty much consider everyone who keeps posting like this a troll. Sad way to get attention...

Because some of us are overly addicted to forums b:laughb:avoid

Oh and the lulz of these forums sometimes is good entertainment when bored LOL xD

Skulla - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Once the "authorities" decided to throw "poor" players under the bus-sized wallets of "wealthy" players (to increase the size of their own wallets), the balanced game play formula was destroyed and replaced with an ultra-competitive formula that (whether intentionally or not) has transformed a "gaming community" into a knock-down, drag-out, free-for-all, no-holds-barred, win at any cost or be made to feel inferior pressure cooker.

There are some of us out here who still try to ignore the disparity of the current state of the game. Some who still try to "play" Perfect World rather than "work" it. It gets harder all the time to ignore the gaps though. It's harder on some to see the changes that have occurred over time from what was and could have been to what is (and based on past experience, what will be).

Well said. Just... wow. Seriously. Well said. o.o This is kind of the line of thought I've been entertaining for several months now (but I haven't yet put it to words as well as you just did :P).

If you're going to play PWI, you have to know what you're getting into and be ready to take everything with a grain of salt. I wish it didn't have to be that way, but it is. Your average newbie is not going to understand that they don't have to embrace every little screwed-up piece of this game. They'll make a thread asking for build/gear advice and get five people saying "u better get r8 or gtfo, lol pwe's wallet."

I like to think that, somewhere in their minds, those "r8 or gtfo" people are just trying to make a subtle satire of the system. But, then, I like to give people the benefit of the doubt a bit too much. >_> Either way, a newbie isn't going to understand that satire. A newbie is going to see that and take from it "I have to spend $70 and buy r8 if I want to matter in this game." And thus, in one quick decision, hordes of unique and interesting (not to mention, balanced) gears are discarded in favor of falling into line like a good little sheep.

(and if that list was tl;dr, that's exactly my point. nobody cares anymore unless it's statistically better than r8)

For my part, I try to give newbies a balanced critique of what they're getting into, while still stressing that you can have fun with the game without partaking of its... more corrupted elements. Obviously we can't go back to 2008 and some things you just can't ignore (the "token economy" being one of them), but balance should always be stressed.

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

EDIT: Very nice post Skulla. I agree that the community/players have played a major role in "ruining" the game. Not just the company itself.

Agree.

Too many people have become zombies with the game :

- "Paaaacccckssss, Paaaccckkkssss. Got to get more paccccccckkkks"

So yeah, of course, company keeps selling them. As long as people keep buying them by the truckload, they will never stop selling them.

Personnaly, I say the boutique helped ruined the game, the greedy players intensified it.

Boutique should have always remained for esthetic stuff, like fash , mounts, flyers, pigments, and maybe teles. Now money can actually buy you power, makes it that every day, the margin between casual players and hardcore cs'ers gets bigger and bigger and you end up with a lot of new people not even able to get help.