is this sin good right now

Um...

Sure?

Sounds like a plan to me.

You have 49 points too much in Vit.

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »

I have 90 base vit on my 92 Sin. I can Solo FCC.

Please, tell me I have too many Vit, because I want to *****slap you with the retort of 'show me another 92 sin that can solo FCC'.

You morons and your ****ing stupid 'builds' and 'omg you have VIT?! You FAIL!' is getting stupid. >_> Vit is awesome for beginning and midgame, you restat it out for endgame. End of story. If you think otherwise, then I will start posting videos of BH's where Sins with 1200 HP take aggro, get oneshot, and then ***** for a rez in BH51 simply because they dumped EVERY point they could into Dex, following some dumb guide.

My pure dex sin was too busy tanking BH29-51, soloing BH59, and tanking 69+ to hear you.... and all the gear that sin used was farmed by that same sin with no funding from any of my other characters. (I like keeping my individual characters with their own separate funds. Sue me.)


Your advice has merit in that if OP is a complete newbie, too poor to give his/her alt twink gear, or simply does not want to for whatever reason, a bit of extra vit as a buffer for damage taken, as well as reducing the damage s/he deals which makes it easier to control threat generation won't hurt. And while I understand your frustration, your presentation is rather... well... poor. Arguing vit based on your ability to solo FCC at 92? Then should I argue pure dex with how my sin could solo 59 at 75 uncharmed, with no external buffs, and with the highest refines on her gear being 3?

That being said, the OP is behind on all their stats because they went and pushed far too many points into vit at far too early a level. Considering that right now, OP should have 30 str (14 points behind) and 80 dex (10 behind) which means s/he has to make up for 24 stat points... which doesn't sound too bad until you realize that with every level, they need to add another 1 str and 3 dex to keep up with basic requirements and so, they'll have to spend 24 levels to fully catch up. What that means in practical terms is OP will be behind on armor and weapon for at least another 21 levels (assuming s/he uses level 45 or 43 daggers) because, as Evict put it (in a rather poor fashion as well, I'll admit) s/he has far too much vit.





On-topic: Raise your str some so that it becomes your level +4 first and foremost. You'll need that str for armor and your vit can be 300 but won't help if you're in level 1 armor. Once you've done that, I suggest sticking to a more "pure dex" type build until your vit is also at level+4. At that point, you'll have caught up on str and dex requirements for armor and weapon and then the addition of extra vit as a buffer will be up to you.

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »

I have 90 base vit on my 92 Sin. I can Solo FCC.

Please, tell me I have too many Vit, because I want to *****slap you with the retort of 'show me another 92 sin that can solo FCC'.

You morons and your ****ing stupid 'builds' and 'omg you have VIT?! You FAIL!' is getting stupid. >_> Vit is awesome for beginning and midgame, you restat it out for endgame. End of story. If you think otherwise, then I will start posting videos of BH's where Sins with 1200 HP take aggro, get oneshot, and then ***** for a rez in BH51 simply because they dumped EVERY point they could into Dex, following some dumb guide.

thats not really saying anything, its not the vit helping you, its glitching shocktrooper, which of course if you lie and deny I will call bs and will forever question your credibility on any post after reading this thread.

everyone knows bp, crabs and 2.5 aps sparked with hooks is enuf to tank any boss other than shocktrooper in frost without a cleric. this is not old news, the bosses other than shocktrooper and deadindra are at the very least a normal attack and afk for a sin of that level.

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »

Please, tell me I have too many Vit, because I want to *****slap you with the retort of 'show me another 92 sin that can solo FCC'..

I'm 95 & have been soloing frost since 89 with a base of 3 vit. Now you mentioned something about a retort?

Benae - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Guys, this person asked a question about their character. Do you see anything about "please debate which is better?" No. If you're here to argue, go away.


And, to be honest, I have no idea =u=

Well, the forums are a place for open debate and sharing of ideas. Here the discussion is about where should the OP place their stats, and is statting vitality a good idea. Sarra says it is, but the overwhelming majority of the sin community thinks its not. Sarra's hostility and mudslinging does kind of make it more of an argument than a debate, but she asked to see another lvl 92 sin that can solo FCC. Many people spoke up and said a pure dex build can solo at 92, and because of their higher dex do it faster.

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »

I have 90 base vit on my 92 Sin. I can Solo FCC.

Please, tell me I have too many Vit, because I want to *****slap you with the retort of 'show me another 92 sin that can solo FCC'.

You morons and your ****ing stupid 'builds' and 'omg you have VIT?! You FAIL!' is getting stupid. >_> Vit is awesome for beginning and midgame, you restat it out for endgame. End of story. If you think otherwise, then I will start posting videos of BH's where Sins with 1200 HP take aggro, get oneshot, and then ***** for a rez in BH51 simply because they dumped EVERY point they could into Dex, following some dumb guide.

1. Lots of sins can solo FCC at 90. Its not worth it for most of us since the time:experience ratio is worse than spamming with a squad or at least 2-3 other people.
2. Where does beginning and midgame end and you should remove your vitality? I'd say there is no reason for vitality past level 45 and because no one wants to spend millions on a reset it's better to never stat vitality and just be more careful until then. Its smarter to spend a few mirages on refines to cover the vitality/defense difference while still having the higher DD ability of a pure dex build.
3. Video's of 1200 hp sins that steal aggro and die having nothing to do with their vitality amount. Sins get 13hp per vit point and IF they add 50 points to vit so they can restat it later that's only 650 hp. Sin hp per vitality sucks. That's the difference of a refine or two but would remove 1/3 a weapon damage modifier and alot of bloodpaint heal back.
4. Vitality is fine if you... *finds a nice way to put this* don't have the skill to survive without it. My cleric could pull FCC halls with a pure arcane build and has no problem solo cleric TT's up to 3-3 but I hear alot of clerics screaming how you "Need" to stat vitality or you'll be 1 shot by aoes. Some need it, some don't. Vitality is a good way to cover for a skill gap. For those clerics I'd rather they stat vitality and have weaker heals because they need it to cover for their lack of skill and the alternative is them being dead and getting no heals. The same applies to sins who feel they need the vitality to survive. I'd rather the sin have poor DD than to need constant rezzes because they don't know how to play.

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »

I have 90 base vit on my 92 Sin. I can Solo FCC.

Please, tell me I have too many Vit, because I want to *****slap you with the retort of 'show me another 92 sin that can solo FCC'.

You morons and your ****ing stupid 'builds' and 'omg you have VIT?! You FAIL!' is getting stupid. >_> Vit is awesome for beginning and midgame, you restat it out for endgame. End of story. If you think otherwise, then I will start posting videos of BH's where Sins with 1200 HP take aggro, get oneshot, and then ***** for a rez in BH51 simply because they dumped EVERY point they could into Dex, following some dumb guide.

I dont know, whats your problem with bh51. When i had that insta for bh, i soloed that, bec no barbs.
Anyway i am pure dex, and i started refine my gear only at 90.

Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »

Um... wrong.

Between 92 and 98, there's 95 and 97, both of which come with significant improvements to gear. On 95, you'll have the choice of getting Sign of Frost: Chaos and possibly Lunar armors. On 97, there's Band from Heaven's Jail.

Considering that Sign of Frost: Chaos is endgame for most, it's likely that people have those refined higher than, say, their Attendance Ring: Perfects or their Rings of Heavenly Lord.

Oh, and there is also the choice of going with Unconsciousness, the Lunar dagger, on 95. Not a common choice, but not a bad choice either.

In rare cases, being 95 will also result in having the choice to equip Forest's Wisdom, the event helm. Which is a pretty damn good helm, except for the higher requirements.

In even rarer cases, 95 would allow for Lunar: Mantle of Radiance, the G13 Lunar cape. Difference between this cape and Energetic Robe: Lunar Glade lies mostly in higher refine, more vitality and the ability to shard with JoSD.

All of them rare for a first timer yes, but then again most sins are alts.

And actually, 92 is pretty crucial, as you get Bloodpaint, Dagger Devotion and Rib Strike.

With the exception of the ring most 9x sins won't be buying that level of gear in the 90's unless they're an alt of a super rich main or they CS. And the ring won't be refined any more than +5-6 unless again, they CS or their main is rich. There are many -int robe options for level 92 and below, the lunar gold robe doesnt change much. and about the skills, I said 92-98 is no different, so you'll have those skills at 92...thru 98...

Everything you mentioned is fairly unimportant. Most ppl use WoE instead of Forest's Wisdom, Most use an Energetic robe, 69, 79, or Lunar. Most use Unicorn Spirit: Order or the CoA ring. And even if they do get Lunar ring, it's a small jump in defense and attack, nothing major thats going to all of a sudden make you able to solo FC when you couldnt do it without the ring. But yes, idk the price of Unconciousness but that would help a lot. Other than that though, not a whole lot changes in those 6 levels.