Daggers, fists, claws only 4-5aps? why not swords?
Renza - Raging Tide
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Just a thought that randomly popped into my mind, think about this for a moment, if someone had a sword of any kind, be it a short sword, a katana, sabre etc, any mad swordsman that "studied the blade" for years with practise, could actually attack 5 times (if not more) in 1 second with insane slicing speed, with that said, why can't swords on this game gain the ability to have 5aps, I hope no one will say that would be game breaking, because I would have to laugh out loud.
I do think people could use the argument of "well some swords are to big to attack so fast with", yet we see these nirvana claws that are 1/3, 1/2 the size of our character, yet they can still 5aps with it lol.
I do think people could use the argument of "well some swords are to big to attack so fast with", yet we see these nirvana claws that are 1/3, 1/2 the size of our character, yet they can still 5aps with it lol.
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They're "Blademaster" and "Seekers" not "Samurais".
Just kidding, but yeah, I'm pretty sure I can find a Chinese movie where they cut someone into a rubix cube by touching their sword..0 -
It simply because of modifier b:chuckle
ON pw logic, a punch is faster than a slash / stab... even faster than a lightning.
There a movie where sword practically cut anything except it sheath. Everything being cut like tofu.
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Well i cant see 5aps right off the bat but seeing that the Seeker class uses swords only, im surprised no such skill was created to increase sword speed. Kinda like the passive Blade/Sword mastery but instead of increasing damage, why not increase atk speed by 2-3%/lvl.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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Because it would most likely be game breaking. Go ahead and laugh out loud, but it's true.0
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Dahcleric - Raging Tide wrote: »Because it would most likely be game breaking. Go ahead and laugh out loud, but it's true.
5 punch / seconds not ? b:laugh
If there no 5 punch / seconds and there only 5 slash / seconds...
what the difference b:chuckle
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MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear wrote: »5 punch / seconds not ? b:laugh
If there no 5 punch / seconds and there only 5 slash / seconds...
what the difference b:chuckle
less qq to sin more qq to bm and seeker
Because the damage would be so ridiculously high... a lot higher than "5 punches"0 -
Dahcleric - Raging Tide wrote: »Because the damage would be so ridiculously high... a lot higher than "5 punches"
Though swords would have less crit anyway.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Renza - Raging Tide wrote: »Though swords would have less crit anyway.
Actually no not really. at lvl100 the swords only require 144ish dex and claws are about 180ish. only 2% more for claws. the damage output would be a lot more noticeable than only 2% crits.0 -
On movies archer shot arrow really fast and really hurt when you get hit from point blank. b:sad
5 aps bow... why not... b:pleased[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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I would like my 5aps bow with God of Frenzy please.b:thanksIf I sound like I hate you, please don't take it personally...chances are I actually do.0
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just a random thought that popped into my mind, just think about it. If someone had a sword and spent many years learning to twirl w/ an attached water gun they should be able to summon a giant water dragon that destroys everything.
I do not think that people could use the argument that some water guns just dont hold enough water.0 -
5 APS with fists is like taking 5 bricks a second to the head.
5 APS with daggers is like taking 5 5 gallon water jugs a second to the head.
5 APS with swords would be like taking 5 Motorcycles a second to the head.
5 APS with a bow would be like taking 5 Mini Coopers a second to the head.
5 APS with Axe/Hammer would be like taking 5 Ford F350/Dodge RAM/ect a second to the head.
Base APS for the average fist is 1.43 APS.
Base APS for most daggers is 1.25 APS.
Base APS for swords is either 1.11 or 0.91 APS.
Base APS for bow is 0.67 APS.
Base APS for Axe/Hammer is 0.91 or 0.87 APS.
I think 5.0 on axe/hammer would break the game more than on Swords, but you have further to go with Axe/Hammer.
5.0 with R9 GoF axes would be like getting hit, in the head, 5 times a second with a fully loaded jumbo jet.101 Sage Sin*/Archer
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Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »5 APS with fists is like taking 5 bricks a second to the head.
5 APS with daggers is like taking 5 5 gallon water jugs a second to the head.
5 APS with swords would be like taking 5 Motorcycles a second to the head.
5 APS with a bow would be like taking 5 Mini Coopers a second to the head.
5 APS with Axe/Hammer would be like taking 5 Ford F350/Dodge RAM/ect a second to the head.
Base APS for the average fist is 1.43 APS.
Base APS for most daggers is 1.25 APS.
Base APS for swords is either 1.11 or 0.91 APS.
Base APS for bow is 0.67 APS.
Base APS for Axe/Hammer is 0.91 or 0.87 APS.
I think 5.0 on axe/hammer would break the game more than on Swords, but you have further to go with Axe/Hammer.
5.0 with R9 GoF axes would be like getting hit, in the head, 5 times a second with a fully loaded jumbo jet.
honestly i may be biased but i think 5.0 bow with GoF would be the worst due to your talking about an archer hitting from 30-34 meters away and you have to run up to them if ur willing axes and thats asuming the archer doesnt kite/stun you. But then again Im complete biased as an archerIf I sound like I hate you, please don't take it personally...chances are I actually do.0 -
The current aps for swords prevents even 4aps from even happening.
Simply put - we're too slow.0 -
The aps on weapons are balanced with their damage range..... now this honestly needs rebalanced as they didn't anticipate the 5.0 stuff but base wise they are about rightBladedZero - Sanctuary
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Swords have higher damage per hit than claws
So obviously they'd have to attack slower.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Remember that swords and fists were made when this game was remotely balanced.How come, if someone asks a question in a forum, at least 13/20 posts answers the question in the same exact way, 5/20 word the exact same answer differently and 2/20 say something completely unrelated to both life and death?0
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Barb with 5 aps GoF axes.....Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »5 APS with fists is like taking 5 bricks a second to the head.
5 APS with daggers is like taking 5 5 gallon water jugs a second to the head.
5 APS with swords would be like taking 5 Motorcycles a second to the head.
5 APS with a bow would be like taking 5 Mini Coopers a second to the head.
5 APS with Axe/Hammer would be like taking 5 Ford F350/Dodge RAM/ect a second to the head.
Base APS for the average fist is 1.43 APS.
Base APS for most daggers is 1.25 APS.
Base APS for swords is either 1.11 or 0.91 APS.
Base APS for bow is 0.67 APS.
Base APS for Axe/Hammer is 0.91 or 0.87 APS.
I think 5.0 on axe/hammer would break the game more than on Swords, but you have further to go with Axe/Hammer.
5.0 with R9 GoF axes would be like getting hit, in the head, 5 times a second with a fully loaded jumbo jet.
Watch them try to kill a boss and kill themselves in like ten seconds. b:sweat
Although, the only thing that would be able to last ten seconds would be a boss....[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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AlbireoTwo - Lost City wrote: »Barb with 5 aps GoF axes.....
Watch them try to kill a boss and kill themselves in like ten seconds. b:sweat
Although, the only thing that would be able to last ten seconds would be a boss....
What you just said makes no sense as we have high aps sins with GoF....BladedZero - Sanctuary
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You know if you take a maxed aps geared sin or archer and give them wooden sword they would be 4.0....ijs0
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Renza - Raging Tide wrote: »Just a thought that randomly popped into my mind, think about this for a moment, if someone had a sword of any kind, be it a short sword, a katana, sabre etc, any mad swordsman that "studied the blade" for years with practise, could actually attack 5 times (if not more) in 1 second with insane slicing speed, with that said, why can't swords on this game gain the ability to have 5aps, I hope no one will say that would be game breaking, because I would have to laugh out loud.
I do think people could use the argument of "well some swords are to big to attack so fast with", yet we see these nirvana claws that are 1/3, 1/2 the size of our character, yet they can still 5aps with it lol.
All I can think is lol ><
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Renza - Raging Tide wrote: »Just a thought that randomly popped into my mind, think about this for a moment, if someone had a sword of any kind, be it a short sword, a katana, sabre etc, any mad swordsman that "studied the blade" for years with practise, could actually attack 5 times (if not more) in 1 second with insane slicing speed, with that said, why can't swords on this game gain the ability to have 5aps, I hope no one will say that would be game breaking, because I would have to laugh out loud.
I do think people could use the argument of "well some swords are to big to attack so fast with", yet we see these nirvana claws that are 1/3, 1/2 the size of our character, yet they can still 5aps with it lol.
Everyone would be G15 nirvana axes with SS/GoF or r9. It's bad enough there are a ton of players that use claws/fists now you want them with axes at the same speed doing easily 3.5x the damage of claws/fists now....
Let me give you an idea of what I mean:
The test was run on the last boss in nirvana (both times lasting about 8 seconds with the squad)
Weapon 1: +10 r9 poleaxe (2 Amber Gems)
Weapon 2: +10 G13 Lunar Nirvana claws (2 Garnet Gems)
Result: They did the same amount of damage per second. I used the same combo of skills and genie stuff on both weapons. Keep in mind the claws are 5.0 and the axes are 1.54 during both of these 8 second durations.... and you want the axes 5.0.... lolzBladedZero - Sanctuary
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Hayai - Lost City wrote: »You know if you take a maxed aps geared sin or archer and give them wooden sword they would be 4.0....ijs
You are stupid b:faint0 -
SoKa - Lost City wrote: »You are stupid b:faint
lol my archer has the sword and its base is 1.25 the same as a pair of daggers. So stupid?....hmm I think not more like it could just be you b:victory0 -
AlbireoTwo - Lost City wrote: »Barb with 5 aps GoF axes.....
Watch them try to kill a boss and kill themselves in like ten seconds. b:sweat
Although, the only thing that would be able to last ten seconds would be a boss....
It just doesn't work with a Barb and 5 APS GoF axes. XD Unless you have Bloodpaint, and each hit is doing bloodsuck for more than 5% of your HP, you're screwed.
Seriously though, I'd rock a GoF bow at 5.0.
And hey, Sins wouldn't tank everything anymore if barbs were 5.0 with axes. Though... a tiger munching a mob 5 times a second sounds... Painful for the eyes (and possibly video card).101 Sage Sin*/Archer
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Some people reply with "that not possible" replies b:chuckle
We aren't talking about possibility of 5 aps with every weapon, we just imagining 5 aps axe, bow, staff... b:chuckle
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Hayai - Lost City wrote: »You know if you take a maxed aps geared sin or archer and give them wooden sword they would be 4.0....ijs
5.00 with rank 6 swords :O0 -
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