r9 worth it for mystic?

I definitely would not be wasting garnets on an R9 build, and presumably, one who can afford R9 can afford JOSD (far better idea than garnets), DOT, or CG, not to mention at least a couple +12's and icebourne's.

Unfortunately everyone has access to pwcalc.

Evinerre - Lost City wrote: »

You assume wrong sir, I've seen people with flawless shards in R9. And it's wrong of you to make such an assumption. JOSD and +12s are a huge cost, much greater than that of getting R9. It cost like $130 just to +10 something, assuming everyone has that kinda money laying around is crazy talk.

Only thing I would have to say, is while that necklace is awesome, it costs a fortune. I would change that.

Did you ever consider those shards are placeholders until they put in their real ones?

Also, roughly 180-190 zen/gold would be the cost to +10 two things.

It would cost 144m on HT to JOSD the R9 pieces, another 72m for the others, so 200m'ish. One +12 would be in the range of 370m for 11 and 12 orbs presuming 1/5/10 star orbs are on sale.

So rest assured, someone who can afford that can easily afford the JOSD and +12 on at least a few things, 10 on the rest. And certainly, garnets are a dumb idea.

Evinerre - Lost City wrote: »

You understand that JOSD on lost city go for 80-90 mil? 24 sockets in the gear, $1920 at the least. $945 to +10 them all of the essential stuff, and your still not even adding the cost of R9 into it. Your looking at like $4000 in gear.

Sucks for LC? Farm or save up.

Migraine - Lost City wrote: »

thanks to IAetius for giving a response to the question asked. an not trash talk a starter kit r9 build

We answered your question about r9 and sharding. Just because it's not the answer you wanted doesn't mean it was "trash talk" on a starter build. In fact, I said that's exactly what it is. Sensitive much?

to the sharding of the build, is simply bc have the shards farmed already. r9 cost enough as is. for the refinement and anything else i need i will just farm it. why you might ask? bc its not your money paying for it. everyone knows that this http://pwcalc.com/c08eabd6d0288c12 would be a better option "if" you got the money. but thats is only if money was not a problem, see? if the build i chose to go for is questionable to you then plz by all means hand over those visa cards. b:laugh

Most people know those who cash out to farm r9 are going to also foot the cost of shards to make the most of the gear they spent some $1500 on already.

also as to sharding hp or deff think about this. have deff like that of a barb and be hard as hell to kill or have a little more hp and still die fast to a sin.

You also suffer from diminishing returns in regards to the type of defence you get from garnets, much like a wizard does with stone barrier. It's a far better idea for survivability to be placing more in the way of immac/perf citrines than garnets.

Evinerre - Lost City wrote: »

herpderpololol.

ikr, it's not like wizards, clerics, and other classes ever made money before.. only sins, bm's, and other 5 aps classes.

Uninstall time.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I definitely would not be wasting garnets on an R9 build, and presumably, one who can afford R9 can afford JOSD (far better idea than garnets), DOT, or CG, not to mention at least a couple +12's and icebourne's.

Unfortunately everyone has access to pwcalc.

I am someone who farms on my sin for all the gear that I am getting and let me tell you, I am not getting JoD and +12 for my r9 on my mystic right away because the cost of it is insane.

I've worked hard farming TT's and Nirvana and am going to get my r9 from it. However paying 85-95m per JoD is just insane. (the prices go up and down on my server a lot but mainly stay on the high end. I've even seen JoD for 100 mil in some shops) 23* 90,000,000 = 2,070,000,000. I have spent 1 bil on the armor alone. Not including weapon.

And AFTER the 207 billion you spend just to shard, you say I should be able to refine to +12.... lmao. I'm not even going to touch on that one. All in all even after I get my wep which will be 545 * 1,200,000 = 630,000,000. So armor + wep = 1,630,000,000. The cost of JoD alone costs more then an entire set of r9.... and you are saying we should be able to get JoD and +12? rofl.

Honestly I do see why people would shard with other gems. Currently Garnet Gems are around 30 mil and dropping (I bought one the other day for 27 mil). For people who farm their stuff or cannot put a lot of money in the game I understand why they make gem's their end game in their r9. Cause seriously, spending the amount OVER what you spend on r9 for refines and shards is dumb. R9 is hard enough to farm (or buy with $1,200) as is. lol



---- Just a side note. I based the 1,200,000 coins in the equation as the average price of gold right now. Also I put into the equation that I were to assume someone sharding FULL JoD (as stated above that the people with r9 should do) an AA would most likely have the wings of cloudcharger (4 sockets) and either the warsoul of heaven/ nirvana helm (assuming 3 sockets as average).

I also decided to put JoD as 90 million in my equation because the asking price from some people is 95 million so I figured I would go down to the buying price.


EDIT: Ty for the catch. I edited the number MB lol

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Citrine Gem's make far more sense than Garnet Gem's if you're that hellbent on survivability with things other than JOSD. If you're going to go that extent for premium gear, why not go all the way. It's like getting full Nirvana and sharding Beautifuls. Why? Just get other **** then if you can't properly refine/shard it.

Also, your math is completely mangled. At your crazy LC cost for JOSD (it's kinda funny since JOSD cost maybe 35-40m on HT) it would be 2.3 billion at 100m each and 23 shards. 207 billion? You be smokin' some good stuff.

I also see people using cleric weps sharded with DOT's (with no other DOT's on any other gear), or Turquoise shards, or Amber shards. Garnets aren't going to do much when you get pounded by another r9 magic user. JOSD provides defence all around. Just because mystics have VS doesn't mean they don't get one shot by other mages.


Seriously? Find a Nirvana partner, find a TM partner, find a 3-2/3-3 partner.. why should I do the thinking for you? Obviously you're just as dumb and lack intelligence/creativity as everyone else who thinks only people with 5 APS can make money. Please do the game a favour and uninstall.

I'm not saying one should shard garnet gems over citrine gems or w/e. I was simply giving the facts behind what is most cost effective to shard with. And if JoD are really 35-40mil on your server then take advantage of it, that's really awesome. For the past couple months our JoD have gone up to 80 mil and are slowly climbing b:chuckle

In the end though most people have farmed/ Merch'd (or cashed ) Their r9 and having to spend almost double the amount for shards/ refines is crazy. I can understand why earlier people on our server did it and why people on your server are doing it, because prices are low

In the end yea the JoD people are prob the better shard. But on my Server, LC server, and a couple other servers there is more of a reason to shard gems then JoD. But yea, if JoD were 40 mil again I would gladly shard all my gear with them asap.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Seriously? Find a Nirvana partner, find a TM partner, find a 3-2/3-3 partner.. why should I do the thinking for you? Obviously you're just as dumb and lack intelligence/creativity as everyone else who thinks only people with 5 APS can make money. Please do the game a favour and uninstall.

Because people look for mystics for nirvana, yeah that happens. People on LC do solo TM, and squads for TT just don't exist, everyone rolls a sin or BM and does APS runs. Maybe you should log on this server and learn a little bit about it. That or you can sit here making empty points and shooting petty insults. b:bye

Evinerre - Lost City wrote: »

Because people look for mystics for nirvana, yeah that happens. People on LC do solo TM, and squads for TT just don't exist, everyone rolls a sin or BM and does APS runs. Maybe you should log on this server and learn a little bit about it. That or you can sit here making empty points and shooting petty insults. b:bye

Uh, yeah, it does, although more importantly, mystics actually look for Nirvana, and actively go out to get the things they want (just like every other caster) and wow, how'd that happen? I can tell by your demeanour already that you have an entitlement attitude as if things should be handed to you on a silver platter with little effort and little creativity. Good luck with that. b:bye

Originally Posted by Evinerre - Lost City
Because people look for mystics for nirvana, yeah that happens. People on LC do solo TM, and squads for TT just don't exist, everyone rolls a sin or BM and does APS runs. Maybe you should log on this server and learn a little bit about it. That or you can sit here making empty points and shooting petty insults.

this is funny but its not fare from the truth. only time i see a healer class in nv is when they them self make the squad. and even then the squad wont do many runs. in a good guild with lot of strong ppl class dont matter. in my guild ive watched 2 sin's with no help drop 1st nv boss in 1 spark before i got to it to dragon. also ppl dont just solo TM they sell it b:sin frost 2. HH runs? sorry i never see world chats for it. ether get friends to help or go uninstall. i can understand if the guild your in dont help out much do to the fact that most ppl that do get the help leave the guild soon after to a stronger guild.

Originally Posted by JanusZeal - Heavens Tear
Citrine Gem's make far more sense than Garnet Gem's if you're that hellbent on survivability with things other than JOSD. If you're going to go that extent for premium gear, why not go all the way. It's like getting full Nirvana and sharding Beautifuls. Why? Just get other **** then if you can't properly refine/shard it.

Also, your math is completely mangled. At your crazy LC cost for JOSD (it's kinda funny since JOSD cost maybe 35-40m on HT) it would be 2.3 billion at 100m each and 23 shards. 207 billion? You be smokin' some good stuff.

I also see people using cleric weps sharded with DOT's (with no other DOT's on any other gear), or Turquoise shards, or Amber shards. Garnets aren't going to do much when you get pounded by another r9 magic user. JOSD provides defence all around. Just because mystics have VS doesn't mean they don't get one shot by other mages.

lol Citrine Gems are only good when you dont have 7k+ hp. after you get 8-10k hp unbuffed your better off with Garnets. 2-3k more from Citrine dont mean much when my claws are doing 2-3k at a 4.0 on you (unsparked, 5.0 with genie). ive done less then 1k before on a wiz with good phy deff. on LC there are few magic classes to worry about and the ones you need to watch out for that are around can still kill you easy even with JOSD.

in the pve world the person with the most hp is king. but in the world where APS is law, the one who can tank a Aps pker is king. lol why else would those funny venos go HA? not a big need for a hp shards when Mystic can already heal themself just fine and also be charmed. Mystic gets the 2nd most deff for a AA class so why not add deff and tank one of the many sin bm or even barb that plague LC

but yes you do have one good point, JOSD is the best all around deff. but where you are wrong is not everyone can buy them when they are almost at 100m each. but your are one lucky SOB to be on the only server with cheep JOSD

Originally Posted by Barunaa - Heavens Tear
your server must be pretty **** and u will need to reroll a better one if everyone rolls sins/BMs for aps runs. it shouldnt be hard for any class to find a squad for any kind of run. everyone has a purpose and the extra heals from mystics and cleric combined help loads in a squad.

so your saying we should make a ranbow nv squad that can take up to 45m for 1 run? sorry but on LC we like to run nv in 10m or less. not everyone is rolling a Dps class but most of the ones that are farm for there magic class. i also wouldnt say its "Hard" to find a squad for anything other then a full gv. just make the squad yourself. Dps squad dont say no to a cleric/mystic. but at the same time they are not always needed, on LC anyways. why? well if i had to explain that to you then you should uninstall the game asap.

Originally Posted by Barunaa - Heavens Tear
but then again your in a pvp server so no wonder ur pve squads are ****.

b:shocked omg your right! you should come to LC and show us how its done. b:chuckle

Originally Posted by Evinerre - Lost City
Maybe you should log on this server and learn a little bit about it. That or you can sit here making empty points and shooting petty insults.

b:cute what she said.

so your saying we should make a ranbow nv squad that can take up to 45m for 1 run? sorry but on LC we like to run nv in 10m or less. not everyone is rolling a Dps class but most of the ones that are farm for there magic class. i also wouldnt say its "Hard" to find a squad for anything other then a full gv. just make the squad yourself. Dps squad dont say no to a cleric/mystic. but at the same time they are not always needed, on LC anyways. why? well if i had to explain that to you then you should uninstall the game asap.

if it takes u 45 mins with a squad other then a full squad of sins then that just proved my point.b:bye

Mystic is one of the most interesting classes and R9 is certainly a good option because with skills like AS, Energy Leech, Lucky Break, diverse pets etc. you play a crucial role in squad. Not at last in pvp where you can DD or heal. JosDs may be the best option but R9 alone is already a huge boost. Check http://aster.ohmydays.net/pw/socketcalculator.html for sharding options.

Cacie - Sanctuary wrote: »

Stuff

Ooooooooohhhh a goonie Mystic ? b:chuckle

Evinerre - Lost City wrote: »

Because people look for mystics for nirvana, yeah that happens. People on LC do solo TM, and squads for TT just don't exist, everyone rolls a sin or BM and does APS runs. Maybe you should log on this server and learn a little bit about it. That or you can sit here making empty points and shooting petty insults. b:bye

Honestly I do have a sin (along with a 2nd one on the same account in order to get nirvy keys but it is low lvl atm) only to farm Nirvana. The reason I do it is I run with a squad that either does duo or trio and can make 600m-800m (if I wait long enough for cannies/ raps to go back up in price)

However anytime that I wanted to just relax and go on my Mystic to burn some keys I am always able to find a squad. Mystic's are great healers in Nirvana in my opinion because unlike a cleric you can keep up Vital Herb which stacks the group with heals and makes the random aggro a lot easier to take for everyone in party and on top of that you have extra phy def so you can stand right by all the aps classes whacking at the boss so they don't complain about having the boss run away towards you.

If a Nirvana needs a healer I know a lot of people who prefer to go on their Mystic's over their clerics. They do the job very well and on top of that you can DD a bit and debuff all at once (or use spidervine if there is a barb/ veno in squad).

It all depends on the class its self. since wizards p def shards almost double due to the p def shell and sage and demon give even more. so you get twice as much for your money ijs. barbs have self hp buff so they get an extra boost from cit gems, JOSD are amazing, but on my server atleast (Harshlands) josd are 95-110m, Cit gems are 25m and garnets are 32-35m.
Me in particular have trouble with sin's and archers most on my wiz so garnet gems are perfect, if i josd all 6 pieces of my endgame (24 shards) that is 48 def levels for about 2.4Bil.... for 24 garnet gems (70% more p def with wiz sage buff making my p def 15k almost) it would cost about 830m tops? Sorry if the maths is a bit off just doing it from top of my head, but yea 70% more p def so for sins and archers really helps me and is 3x cheaper. I personally refuse to CS becuase of what most CS'rs have become, so i shall have to farm my r9 n all this gear >< and personally saving 2/3 on shards for better stats ( against phy calsses atleast ) I think it is really useful for me. sorry i ranted on a bit >< just want people to know josd isnt the only option out there, there are cheaper ways ^^ ty for your timeb :victory