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_blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »o.o
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Oh god, so many people really know nothing about how this **** worked...
You dont need to understand how to do it to hate it.
Seriously, if BMs were supposed to have those buffs permanently for Free they would have them and I dont think people would care too much. Blazing Fist anyone? However they DONT have them for free and SHOULDNT be glitching skills to GET it for Free.
If BMs get CC back, I want it back on my Assassin too. inb4 "OP" if you get a free fire buff, I get free 90% crit.
OR you could use your brains and petition for something else : a simple buff.
BMs gaining a 70-100% weapon damage fire buff skill would probably go down well, assuming others got updates too.
Glitching your skills didnt make you pro, real pros win without it.0 -
LilNai - Harshlands wrote: »You dont need to understand how to do it to hate it.
Seriously, if BMs were supposed to have those buffs permanently for Free they would have them and I dont think people would care too much. Blazing Fist anyone? However they DONT have them for free and SHOULDNT be glitching skills to GET it for Free.
If BMs get CC back, I want it back on my Assassin too. inb4 "OP" if you get a free fire buff, I get free 90% crit.
OR you could use your brains and petition for something else : a simple buff.
BMs gaining a 70-100% weapon damage fire buff skill would probably go down well, assuming others got updates too.
Glitching your skills didnt make you pro, real pros win without it.
You need to understand it for any opinions you have on it to be considered valid.
A lot of what I'm seeing here in this thread is pure ignorance.0 -
LilNai - Harshlands wrote: »If BMs get CC back, I want it back on my Assassin too. inb4 "OP" if you get a free fire buff, I get free 90% crit.
They won't get anything back...
But if they do, wizzies should get the CC for Sage BIDS too.Proving that not only archers do math since 2009. b:victory
Current math challenge: pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1029711&page=45
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_blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »You need to understand it for any opinions you have on it to be considered valid.
A lot of what I'm seeing here in this thread is pure ignorance.
No, you dont.
Free buffs that are supposed to be a benefit of using a 2 spark move. You dont need to understand how its done or what its used for, its pretty clear its a glitch / oversight.
How it works or what its benefit is isnt important. Its an exploit / glitch and its gone. It needs to stay gone.0 -
LilNai - Harshlands wrote: »
Free buffs that are supposed to be a benefit of using a 2 spark move.
^This, is the basic kind of understanding I'm talking about. Yes you do need to understand what effect CCing is used to achieve in order to write an opinion that doesn't sound like it was presented via a monkey slapping his wang on the keyboard.
Read the post I first quoted and then try to understand what my point was.0 -
LilNai - Harshlands wrote: »So.... It let you beat people in better gear than you. Well blimy, bring it back! Wouldnt want your cash farming desired class to have to earn some ****ing gear now would we? b:shocked
You're misunderstanding me, obviously you still had to have good gear in order to compete, this IS end game we're talking about. When I was PvPing on my BM all of my refines were at least +5, a few +6s and a +7 with +10 Deicide. I was going up against people with full +10 in some cases, in normal circumstances I'd have to spark to win which takes far too much chi and if they manage to Expel/Domain/Stun Break or even Fortify so I can't land another stun to keep 'em in place then it pretty much makes me a sitting target unless I wanna waste genie energy on Cloud Eruption, which would leave me without many options if they manage to get away with any of the above options.
I worked hard to farm gear for my BM, did a bit of merchanting here and there when I had the chance, make whatever sarcastic remark you want but the fact of the matter is cancel casting didn't give BMs a major advantage. Yes, it gave us something unique that was better for us than other classes, since as mentioned before other classes had the ability with certain skills, but it evened the playing field a bit for us. It wasn't something that let a BM with +2 claws bring down someone with full +8 gear, it was something that would let a BM with skill go up against people with better refines/shards/gear and not just get laughed it because they can't kill through a stunlock. It made a skilled BM a force to be reckoned with instead of kill count fodder for anyone with a half decent genie and superior gear.0 -
_blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »^This, is the basic kind of understanding I'm talking about. Yes you do need to understand what effect CCing is used to achieve in order to write an opinion that doesn't sound like it was presented via a monkey slapping his wang on the keyboard.
Read the post I first quoted and then try to understand what my point was.
By switching weapons or cancelling the "cast" portion of certain skills, you can prevent the skill from completing, meaning it doesnt consume sparks nor hit the enemy with the offensive effect of the skill. However, in order to make the skills have a larger benefit, some skills, most prominently Power Dash / Drakes Breath Bash / Sage BIDS were programmed to apply their buff before completing the skill (during channel, which is cancellable) so they would hit WITH it, resulting in PowerDash hitting with its increased Crit, the "hit" of DBB having the fire damage and Sage BIDS Regularly critting (average of 40% crit or so if it procs).
People found that once the buff was applied, they could cancel the spell whilst keeping the aplied buff. This means Assassins could save the 2 sparks used on PowerDash and do an insane PD(CCd) - HeadHunt - autorape combo without wasting buff time on chi gain skills, BMS could add fire damage to their attacks and still triple spark / use any other skills requiring large chunks of chi on one run of 399 chi, and Wizards could "bluff" their opponents on rare occasions and turn an incoming BIDS into an high critchanced Sutra Combo.
Obviously, gaining the some of the additional benefits of these skills at no cost was an oversight, so PW fixed it by changing the buffs to apply upon completion of the Cast of the skill. This slightly nerfed them, PowerDash for example will hit with only your Normal crit rate, but it stopped people from gaining the buffs for nothing.
Then we had a bunch of BMs come up and cry their soppy little hearts out because they cant beat people better geared than them anymore because they all suck dicks.
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Can we all have an opinion now? Pwetty please?
(Entire post was written under the assumption that Sage BIDS also recieved the nerf. If it hasnt, sue me. Either way, its unreliable so its probably changed the lives of less than 1% of active Sage Wizards playing the game.)0 -
LilNai - Harshlands wrote: »By switching weapons or cancelling the "cast" portion of certain skills, you can prevent the skill from completing, meaning it doesnt consume sparks nor hit the enemy with the offensive effect of the skill. However, in order to make the skills have a larger benefit, some skills, most prominently Power Dash / Drakes Breath Bash / Sage BIDS were programmed to apply their buff before completing the skill (during channel, which is cancellable) so they would hit WITH it, resulting in PowerDash hitting with its increased Crit, the "hit" of DBB having the fire damage and Sage BIDS Regularly critting (average of 40% crit or so if it procs).
People found that once the buff was applied, they could cancel the spell whilst keeping the aplied buff. This means Assassins could save the 2 sparks used on PowerDash and do an insane PD(CCd) - HeadHunt - autorape combo without wasting buff time on chi gain skills, BMS could add fire damage to their attacks and still triple spark / use any other skills requiring large chunks of chi on one run of 399 chi, and Wizards could "bluff" their opponents on rare occasions and turn an incoming BIDS into an high critchanced Sutra Combo.
Obviously, gaining the some of the additional benefits of these skills at no cost was an oversight, so PW fixed it by changing the buffs to apply upon completion of the Cast of the skill. This slightly nerfed them, PowerDash for example will hit with only your Normal crit rate, but it stopped people from gaining the buffs for nothing.
Then we had a bunch of BMs come up and cry their soppy little hearts out because they cant beat people better geared than them anymore because they all suck dicks.
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Can we all have an opinion now? Pwetty please?
(Entire post was written under the assumption that Sage BIDS also recieved the nerf. If it hasnt, sue me. Either way, its unreliable so its probably changed the lives of less than 1% of active Sage Wizards playing the game.)
Uh you get a cookie I guess? My first post in here was not referring to you but to those whose posts were indicative of their lack of understanding. I don't know why you got defensive o.o0 -
_blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »Uh you get a cookie I guess? My first post in here was not referring to you but to those whose posts were indicative of their lack of understanding. I don't know why you got defensive o.o
Now everyone can understand and have a valid opinion, meaning that particular "**** you know nothing" line wont work. b:cute0 -
LilNai - Harshlands wrote: »Now everyone can understand and have a valid opinion, meaning that particular "**** you know nothing" line wont work. b:cute
That's assuming they bother to read. And that's kind of astretch to assume around here.0 -
LilNai - Harshlands wrote: »Glitching your skills didnt make you pro, real pros win without it.
Of course it doesn't, it's freaking easy. But apparently still too hard for probably 90% of the server population. It just makes the game take a bit more skills for good players, since canceling effeciently or double canceling does take some practice. The only people I can see complaining about canceling are either noobs that don't know how to do it or classes that can't make use of it.Lost City Cheze Refining Service. Save up to 40% of orb cost for refines up to +9.
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Ezehc - Lost City wrote: »Of course it doesn't, it's freaking easy. But apparently still too hard for probably 90% of the server population. It just makes the game take a bit more skills for good players, since canceling effeciently or double canceling does take some practice. The only people I can see complaining about canceling are either noobs that don't know how to do it or classes that can't make use of it.
Strange, cos the only people I see complaining about its removal are noobs who used it and cant use it anymore b:chuckle
Seriously tho, go back to china and tell them you want a fire buff or something.
This game doesnt use that sort of gameplay, its not a combo-switch+chain based system, its a choose-a-skill-use-a-skill system.
I mean, look at seekers, theyre as close as theyve gotten to that sort of gameplay, and they are noooowhere near.0 -
Anyone who has made a multitude of lengthy posts in this thread has been trolled. Isn't it obvious, or does someone have to actually say:
YOU JUST GOT TROLLED BY THE OP!?0 -
Tremblewith - Heavens Tear wrote: »Anyone who has made a multitude of lengthy posts in this thread has been trolled. Isn't it obvious, or does someone have to actually say:
YOU JUST GOT TROLLED BY THE OP!?
we dont care we just want something to talk about.0 -
Anyone that is under the impression that the current day version of PWI requires skill (finger dexterity) or is intended to require skill was dead wrong before they even started typing their argument.
b:bye0 -
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hmm havent tried yet but wonder if penetrate armor has this cc effectThis game is like washing hair with shampoo... Rinse and repeat if desired.
Proud owner of many mains.101 bm,101 seeker,101 demon sin,100 sage sin,101 archer,101 barb,100 cleric,100 wiz( first toon since sept 08 finally made it in 2013)newly added mystic 100 HA,72 psy.0 -
this isnt a troll thread.. im being serious bring back CC for BM only, Sins powerdash glitch is too OP too bring back which is why i said (BMs Only) b:surrender0
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BIaze_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »this isnt a troll thread.. im being serious bring back CC for BM only, Sins powerdash glitch is too OP too bring back which is why i said (BMs Only) b:surrender
Cos the glitch is a-ok for BMs, **** everyone else?0 -
LilNai - Harshlands wrote: »Cos the glitch is a-ok for BMs, **** everyone else?
well seeming as its mostly BMs and Sins that ever used CC glitch... might aswell be0 -
Sage wizzies used it. At least, I knew quite a few that did. =/
Also bumping this for post count.Proving that not only archers do math since 2009. b:victory
Current math challenge: pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1029711&page=45
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BIaze_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »well seeming as its mostly BMs and Sins that ever used CC glitch... might aswell be
Seekers used it too and got a free tele stun.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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GoodStart - Dreamweaver wrote: »Anyone that is under the impression that the current day version of PWI requires skill (finger dexterity) or is intended to require skill was dead wrong before they even started typing their argument.
b:bye
This game takes some skill, its a RARE occasion when it does but it still does. Take a look at PWIC. We went in there with the mindset of how we pvp on this version, we click and face roll most of the time during pvp now days. We got out teamed (mostly fked over due to pve in a pvp tourny) and out skilled.
Ps: no offence ment to any one in Tri-Force[SIGPIC]http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=43431390001&dateline=1312455335[/SIGPIC]
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The game was designed so that you got the buff as the skill channeled so that it was effective as the skill cast. Don't cast the skill and it doesn't use the effect, sparks, dmg... etc. That is how channel canceling was designed to work. Idiots saw a class gain an advantage and QQ'd "omg its a glitch" when it really wasn't and somehow PWI decided that was the "glitch" to fix when it actually was changing game play and breaking the skill use. The same people who QQ about how BMs are spark spam and talentless are the ones happy that skill combo's that actually required talent and planning are removed.
I can understand the argument of it being an exploit to not use sparks, but cyclone heal didn't require sparks and it used the mana to channel cancel it. DBB and GS use sparks but we also gave up the damage of actually casting the skill and pay the time to CC it.
Seriously, if you're going to fix something, fix double casting glitch for zero channeling on mages.Seven 100+ characters leveled the hard way. Free to play. Mystic, Psychic, and Wizard left to level. b:victory0 -
StormChimera - Lost City wrote: »This game takes some skill, its a RARE occasion when it does but it still does. Take a look at PWIC. We went in there with the mindset of how we pvp on this version, we click and face roll most of the time during pvp now days. We got out teamed (mostly fked over due to pve in a pvp tourny) and out skilled.
Ps: no offence ment to any one in Tri-Force
Sorry for double post but this appeared as I was posting.
CC is allowed in all other PW versions as its not considered a glitch. One of the reasons we were outdone was because people weren't allowed to practice it in our version and it actually takes skill to time and use.Seven 100+ characters leveled the hard way. Free to play. Mystic, Psychic, and Wizard left to level. b:victory0 -
Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »Sorry for double post but this appeared as I was posting.
CC is allowed in all other PW versions as its not considered a glitch. One of the reasons we were outdone was because people weren't allowed to practice it in our version and it actually takes skill to time and use.
my post was nothing to do with CC to be honest. i don't care about CC, bring it back or keep it as it is now it doesn't effect my game play at all. my post was to the random on the other page saying this game takes no skill.
PWIC showed that Gear doesn't mean everything and that on equal playing fields in comes down to game plan, team work and of course PLAYER SKILL.[SIGPIC]http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=43431390001&dateline=1312455335[/SIGPIC]
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StormChimera - Lost City wrote: »my post was nothing to do with CC to be honest. i don't care about CC, bring it back or keep it as it is now it doesn't effect my game play at all. my post was to the random on the other page saying this game takes no skill.
PWIC showed that Gear doesn't mean everything and that on equal playing fields in comes down to game plan, team work and of course PLAYER SKILL.
PWIC was hardly a representation of the current day version of PWI. I see your point, but a tournament that included less than 1% of all PWI players really doesn’t prove our version requires skill. In fact, your argument only leads me to the conclusion that OTHER versions of this game (from different countries) requires skill, while ours doesn’t. The proof is in the results.
If that is not concrete enough of evidence for you, how about your own words:StormChimera - Lost City wrote: »We went in there with the mindset of how we pvp on this version
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GoodStart - Dreamweaver wrote: »PWIC was hardly a representation of the current day version of PWI. I see your point, but a tournament that included less than 1% of all PWI players really doesn[SIGPIC]http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=43431390001&dateline=1312455335[/SIGPIC]
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question, um is this even a confirmed "fix" because I have not seen any official word about the removal of CC, and unless I'm missing something, I would guess the damn idiots still don't know they took it out.0
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_blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »question, um is this even a confirmed "fix" because I have not seen any official word about the removal of CC, and unless I'm missing something, I would guess the damn idiots still don't know they took it out.
im pretty sure franky comfirmed it tho i might be wrong. other then that it was never posted in patch notes but its been tested and no longer works[SIGPIC]http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=43431390001&dateline=1312455335[/SIGPIC]
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