Assasin max damage.

endlesspsy
endlesspsy Posts: 0 Arc User
edited August 2011 in General Discussion
Lets say a Sin does 5000 damage but his gonna tripple spark,Crit,Zerk and 100+attack level.

How would the attack be calculated to give the resulting damage?
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  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Crit doubles damage
    Serk doubles damage
    Attack levels multiply damage
    And that 5k damage without triple spark is useless for figuring out how much triple spark would help/hurt here because we don't know the conditions that resulted in it and triple spark isn't some multiplier on final damage.


    So without factoring in the spark, you're looking at 40k+ damage. 5kx2 (crit)x2 (serk)x2 (100 attack level minimum mentioned). This assumes that whatever scenario resulted in that initial 5k was repeated exactly.
  • Evict - Heavens Tear
    Evict - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,301 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    You also have to factor in pdef and PvP reduction/def levels if you're talking PK.
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  • Empu - Sanctuary
    Empu - Sanctuary Posts: 1,154 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    endlesspsy wrote: »
    Lets say a Sin does 5000 damage but his gonna tripple spark,Crit,Zerk and 100+attack level.

    How would the attack be calculated to give the resulting damage?

    What is it you want to know, cause your question doesn't really make sence. How would that sin with 5k dph all the sudden gain 100 att lvls after sparking? He should have them before as well. Is wolf emblem factored in, and if yes, sage or demon or lvl10? Is it in pvp, or agains a mob, against a lvl? boss?

    Easiest would be to make a build in calculator, put the spark status on, and multiply the average of the phys attack by 6 like truekossy did (x2 for att lvl, x2 for zerk, x2 for a normal crit without wolf emblem).

    Just to give you an idea, my dph can go from 4.5k (unsparked, no debuffs/amps/genie) to 200k (sparked, with debuffs/amps/genie in full squad) on the same vana boss. Damage can vary a lot according to the conditions.
    truekossy wrote: »
    And that 5k damage without triple spark is useless for figuring out how much triple spark would help/hurt here because we don't know the conditions that resulted in it and triple spark isn't some multiplier on final damage.

    Considering an endgame sin (lvl100+ with around 450 dex), you can say spark doubles base damage. Which would bring you to 80k or so. Since it's just a hypothetical situation, an approximation like that seems correct.
  • StormHydra - Sanctuary
    StormHydra - Sanctuary Posts: 2,221 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    I think he means the order

    What is calculated first, second etc?

    Because it does make a difference...I know that crits are calculated last after everything else (if crits doubled base damage first, then spark multiplied that by xxx%, the dmg would be different). But IDK if zerk doubles base damage or sparked damage or crit damage or w.e.
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  • Empu - Sanctuary
    Empu - Sanctuary Posts: 1,154 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    I think he means the order

    What is calculated first, second etc?

    Because it does make a difference...I know that crits are calculated last after everything else (if crits doubled base damage first, then spark multiplied that by xxx%, the dmg would be different). But IDK if zerk doubles base damage or sparked damage or crit damage or w.e.

    Spark directly affects your base damage (you can see it in character screen). Crits, zerk and att lvls are calculated on the damage you deal. They don't affect your phys attack as far as I know (or arma wouldn't zerk/crit, or be affected by att lvls right?). But anyway, since those are % based multipliers, order doesn't matter anyway. Last time in my math class 5000 x 2 x 2.2 was the same as 5000 x 2.2 x 2 (2.2 being a crit with sage wolf emblem).
  • KedgeSniper - Lost City
    KedgeSniper - Lost City Posts: 733 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    endlesspsy wrote: »
    Lets say a Sin does 5000 damage but his gonna tripple spark,Crit,Zerk and 100+attack level.

    How would the attack be calculated to give the resulting damage?

    Easy.. You post this on the archer forums. They love math.
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  • GohRaL - Sanctuary
    GohRaL - Sanctuary Posts: 883 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Last time in my math class 5000 x 2 x 2.2 was the same as 5000 x 2.2 x 2 (2.2 being a crit with sage wolf emblem).


    Hey, were we in the same math class ?


    Cuz i heard that too
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  • StormHydra - Sanctuary
    StormHydra - Sanctuary Posts: 2,221 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Last time in my math class 5000 x 2 x 2.2 was the same as 5000 x 2.2 x 2 (2.2 being a crit with sage wolf emblem).

    yeah, I thought of that too...I wasn't really sure if they changed base damage or not.

    If all of it is calculated after the hit then yeah, it wouldnt make a difference. b:puzzled
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  • Decus - Dreamweaver
    Decus - Dreamweaver Posts: 5,033 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    The order is quite irrelevant once you've got your base damage... Commutative property :3

    EDIT: I should scroll down more...
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  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    The order is quite irrelevant once you've got your base damage... Commutative property :3

    EDIT: I should scroll down more...

    You're late! b:chuckle
  • Decus - Dreamweaver
    Decus - Dreamweaver Posts: 5,033 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    truekossy wrote: »
    You're late! b:chuckle

    b:angry Shut up! My laptop mouse ran outta batteries and the two-finger **** is bs >:(
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  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    b:angry Shut up! My laptop mouse ran outta batteries and the two-finger **** is bs >:(

    And that's why I use rechargeable batteries. :P
  • Decus - Dreamweaver
    Decus - Dreamweaver Posts: 5,033 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    truekossy wrote: »
    And that's why I use rechargeable batteries. :P

    I wouldn't have to use a **** laptop if I wasn't out of town... eff laptops...
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  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    I wouldn't have to use a **** laptop if I wasn't out of town... eff laptops...

    I agree with you and feel your pain. b:sad