PWIC - some words afterwards

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  • poooflinger
    poooflinger Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    well good job at least showing, by the way china competes in general you had no chance at winning, look at the olympics, I heard Hu Jintao was personally lashing people who didnt perform according to their standards so I can imagine the fear of the people who were competing from china b:laugh

    But Ill agree some of the guidelines in general seemed a bit odd, I always thought from the get-go the whole idea of the complete and total deciding factor in a freaking PLAYER VERSUS PLAYER tournament was how fast you could kill a lvl 150 world boss.

    WEIRD!

    I also agree that having the land owning factions able to compete, granted these are our servers heavy hitters, best of the best gear, and very capable in pvp, but these are also the people(and I am just speculating here hold the b:angry) that are more likely used to zerg tactics rather than technical fighting, and when that factions higher levels are spending all their time in pk areas vs not nearly as equipped fighters, or one shotting people outside secret passage, or when a legitimate 1v1/2v2 turns into them calling the dogs it makes for **** experience(not reffering to any particular faction, just generalizing), we all know all the servers have basically 2-4 major factions and the smaller factions who have decent players but cant compete in a 80vs15-20 TW are shut out of a PVP tournament that PWI might not have performed so bad in.

    Even still, I agree with OP, the whole practice thing too was a setup, your practicing at their terms, their times, and even when you get there, your jet lagged from a freaking 12+ hour flight depending on where you are from. I lived in japan for a year and i know from where i live it was 15 hours just to japan so itd be at least 2 more hours if you include the **** layover in taiwan.

    duty free anyone?

    Overall, I'm sure you did great, I watched the practice video, that one wizard was a beast to kill, the fights seemed pretty intense.

    I just wish it would have worked out better in our favor, bragging rights would have been nice. Thanks for representing regardless!
  • Linc - Raging Tide
    Linc - Raging Tide Posts: 589 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Thanks for the wrap up, sounds like you guys had awesome trip.

    2.5 hour tw will make a person less enthusiastic to play in a tournament match right afterward, it's not much of an excuse though, it's something that should have been in your team's control whether to tw or not before a major international tournament. I'm not harping on you or criticizing because i'm sure that's a good lesson for everyone to remember if ever participating in a global tournament. Take a page out of the pro sports teams. They wouldn't let their players play in an amateur or 2d rate game before their competition would they?

    What was the criteria for the chinese teams and other game versions to pick their champion? It wasn't aps oriented i'm guessing..so is pwi changing to different format for any future events? Maybe take a page out of the chinese playbook to organize future pwi events.

    Thanks again for the wrap up, i enjoyed reading the first hand account there.
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  • Susamajii - Lost City
    Susamajii - Lost City Posts: 902 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Nniotora - Lost City wrote: »
    wut you guys get that necklace even tho you didnt won thats some BS if its true

    The g16 necklace was just a participation prize. Every person that played in the PWIC tournament gets one win or lose. Frankie thinks the g16 necklace isn't even available in game yet and they will have to patch the game ie putting it into the game.

    @ the guy who said the prize should be void ~ We still had to beat the other teams in our end of the pvp before the pve part.
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  • Halt - Harshlands
    Halt - Harshlands Posts: 452 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Glad you had a bro time. Anyone with a brain in this game knew that our team was pretty much doomed to fail, due to the qualifications (PVE) of going to Chinaz
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  • Shinsetsu - Lothranis
    Shinsetsu - Lothranis Posts: 62 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Shinsetsu - Lothranis wrote: »
    What matters is that you did your best! This is time to reorganize and prepare for the next time so you can win against the mighty CHINA :D Btw I missed a few things since I only rejoined afew weeks ago, but how did you guys become finalists for this Beijing competition?

    Just posting again asking how the finalists were chosen to go to Beijing?
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  • LilNai - Harshlands
    LilNai - Harshlands Posts: 481 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Shinsetsu - Lothranis wrote: »
    Just posting again asking how the finalists were chosen to go to Beijing?

    Each server had a timed kill of the ****ing harpy wraith.

    PvE to choose the best PvP. AWESOMESAUCE INTELLIGENT MOVE.

    Also, all the PvE servers failed hard on it too which is ****ing amazing b:laugh
  • Shinsetsu - Lothranis
    Shinsetsu - Lothranis Posts: 62 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    LilNai - Harshlands wrote: »
    Each server had a timed kill of the ****ing harpy wraith.

    PvE to choose the best PvP. AWESOMESAUCE INTELLIGENT MOVE.

    Also, all the PvE servers failed hard on it too which is ****ing amazing b:laugh

    Hmm... *Starts planning for next year*
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  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Susamajii - Lost City wrote: »
    The g16 necklace was just a participation prize. Every person that played in the PWIC tournament gets one win or lose. Frankie thinks the g16 necklace isn't even available in game yet and they will have to patch the game ie putting it into the game.

    @ the guy who said the prize should be void ~ We still had to beat the other teams in our end of the pvp before the pve part.

    PvP part didn't prove anything in advancing to china for the tournie. They should have had it done the correct way or not at all. Didn't matter if you swept every team and didn't lose a member or only won by 1 member every round, if you killed the PvE boss the fastest you were somehow better at PvP then the other servers. The entire thing was a joke. I'm not saying you guys are a joke, but there's no way to really say who was best out of the teams that made it to the harpy (from PvP side).
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  • Asgardeus - Sanctuary
    Asgardeus - Sanctuary Posts: 551 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    LilNai - Harshlands wrote: »
    Also, all the PvE servers failed hard on it too which is ****ing amazing b:laugh

    K I consider Sanctuary a pvp server then.
    Now, can I get some of the giaant ego that some people from pvp server seem to have, please?
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  • LilNai - Harshlands
    LilNai - Harshlands Posts: 481 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Asgardeus - Sanctuary wrote: »
    K I consider Sanctuary a pvp server then.
    Now, can I get some of the giaant ego that some people from pvp server seem to have, please?

    You didnt come first on the PvE part. A PVP server did. Therefore, you failed at being the best at what your server is generally good at.

    Its not ego, its just a true generalisation. srsly, the way they did it we shouldve sent a PvE server. Im amazed we didnt.

    EDIT, double checked, BOTH PvP servers owned the PvE servers.

    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1145361&highlight=PWIC+server
  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    LilNai - Harshlands wrote: »
    You didnt come first on the PvE part. A PVP server did. Therefore, you failed at being the best at what your server is generally good at.

    Its not ego, its just a true generalisation. srsly, the way they did it we shouldve sent a PvE server. Im amazed we didnt.

    EDIT, double checked, BOTH PvP servers owned the PvE servers.

    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1145361&highlight=PWIC+server

    So PvP servers somehow never do anything PvE? You're a moron b:bye
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  • LilNai - Harshlands
    LilNai - Harshlands Posts: 481 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    So PvP servers somehow never do anything PvE? You're a moron b:bye

    No, but youd expect what the servers focus on to be their forte. All I got from this is that PvE servers are less proficient in all dimensions, not just PvP. b:bye
  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    LilNai - Harshlands wrote: »
    No, but youd expect what the servers focus on to be their forte. All I got from this is that PvE servers are less proficient in all dimensions, not just PvP. b:bye

    Oh I see no one does TTs or Nirvana or Lunar or anything on PvP servers they simply get TT90 green and only PvP 24/7.....b:bye
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  • DaKillanator - Raging Tide
    DaKillanator - Raging Tide Posts: 2,965 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    How can you tell that PvP servers are better in all fields?

    You expected that PvE servers would win the PvE oriented final round, but we got roflstomped by the PvP servers.

    So I guess it's also fair to say that even though you would expect the PvP servers to be better at PvP, that the PvE servers actually have better PvPers.
  • LilNai - Harshlands
    LilNai - Harshlands Posts: 481 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »
    How can you tell that PvP servers are better in all fields?

    You expected that PvE servers would win the PvE oriented final round, but we got roflstomped by the PvP servers.

    So I guess it's also fair to say that even though you would expect the PvP servers to be better at PvP, that the PvE servers actually have better PvPers.

    Well, if this tournament had been handled correctly, we wouldve known. As it is I just have to go on what I see, and battles tend to be shorter and more boring on the PvE servers from the times when ive made a bluename and gone to arch / sp to check it out. (Not that it says much, the vast majority of fights take 15 seconds nowadays, but shh b:chuckle when there is a decent fight going on its almost always HL / LC.)

    Well.... Probably not even then. Many of the best PVPers are in small landless seperate factions so meh, they wouldnt get a chance to enter.

    Tell you what, lets get frankie to do a range of events that get scored accross all servers, both PvE and PvP and find out for sure.

    Till then, were all going to stick by our own servers, bias ftw!
  • Asgardeus - Sanctuary
    Asgardeus - Sanctuary Posts: 551 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Okay.. seriously I get the point that pvp is more active on pvp servers. But it does happen on pve servers too. So so sick of people saying pve server people got no clue of pvp. That's just ego for me.

    But if you want it that way: PVP people are the only ones who got a clue of PVP. But please don't start farming any instances or kill mobs, cause that's what you fail at, according to this logic. PVE is PVE server business, right? b:chuckle

    K I'm out of this discussion. It's not gonna lead anywhere lol


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  • DaKillanator - Raging Tide
    DaKillanator - Raging Tide Posts: 2,965 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    LilNai - Harshlands wrote: »
    Till then, were all going to stick by our own servers, bias ftw!

    Bias <3

    But tbh Arch is prob the best at everything b:avoid
  • LilNai - Harshlands
    LilNai - Harshlands Posts: 481 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Bias <3

    But tbh Arch is prob the best at everything b:avoid

    Cept population b:shutup
  • DaKillanator - Raging Tide
    DaKillanator - Raging Tide Posts: 2,965 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    LilNai - Harshlands wrote: »
    Cept population b:shutup

    and...everything else b:cute
  • frankieraye
    frankieraye Posts: 250 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Pretty good recount of the story there - I'm still not home yet, a friend invited me to stay in Tokyo for a couple days, so of course I had to take that opportunity :)


    But at least I can finally post in here again; trying to to interact with just about any american website from China is an absolute pain.


    On the tournament: Emily, Matt, and myself spent a lot of time talking about how we can change things for the better for next year. We'll be getting the official PWIC arena in our version very soon, so we'll be able to use that, no problem. Once we get that, then all it will take will be a few logistical hurdles and some GM elbow grease. We depend on the developers for PvE content, but PvP events are something that we have complete control over.


    Anyway, about the qualification for next year's PWIC - first off, forget about the land-holding requirement. We only used that this year because we needed to narrow down the field as quickly as possible. Also forget about the three and four team battles - they only complicate matters. And of course, most importantly, there will be no PvE in the qualification for next year, so forget the Harpy.


    Remember, this years qualification method was the way it was not because we wanted it to be that way, but because we lacked the time and tools to make it the right way.


    Given the time and tools necessary to truly pick the strongest PvP team (and no offense to Spliff's team at all, as they represented our version very professionally even while having to deal with a multitude of disadvantages), not to mention having a greater familiarity with the rules and process of the Tournament, I really believe that next year will yield a different and better result.
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  • LilNai - Harshlands
    LilNai - Harshlands Posts: 481 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    frankieraye wrote: »
    Pretty good recount of the story there - I'm still not home yet, a friend invited me to stay in Tokyo for a couple days, so of course I had to take that opportunity :)


    But at least I can finally post in here again; trying to to interact with just about any american website from China is an absolute pain.


    On the tournament: Emily, Matt, and myself spent a lot of time talking about how we can change things for the better for next year. We'll be getting the official PWIC arena in our version very soon, so we'll be able to use that, no problem. Once we get that, then all it will take will be a few logistical hurdles and some GM elbow grease. We depend on the developers for PvE content, but PvP events are something that we have complete control over.


    Anyway, about the qualification for next year's PWIC - first off, forget about the land-holding requirement. We only used that this year because we needed to narrow down the field as quickly as possible. Also forget about the three and four team battles - they only complicate matters. And of course, most importantly, there will be no PvE in the qualification for next year, so forget the Harpy.


    Remember, this years qualification method was the way it was not because we wanted it to be that way, but because we lacked the time and tools to make it the right way.


    Given the time and tools necessary to truly pick the strongest PvP team (and no offense to Spliff's team at all, as they represented our version very professionally even while having to deal with a multitude of disadvantages), not to mention having a greater familiarity with the rules and process of the Tournament, I really believe that next year will yield a different and better result.

    We will hold you to that.

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  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    frankieraye wrote: »
    Pretty good recount of the story there - I'm still not home yet, a friend invited me to stay in Tokyo for a couple days, so of course I had to take that opportunity :)


    But at least I can finally post in here again; trying to to interact with just about any american website from China is an absolute pain.


    On the tournament: Emily, Matt, and myself spent a lot of time talking about how we can change things for the better for next year. We'll be getting the official PWIC arena in our version very soon, so we'll be able to use that, no problem. Once we get that, then all it will take will be a few logistical hurdles and some GM elbow grease. We depend on the developers for PvE content, but PvP events are something that we have complete control over.


    Anyway, about the qualification for next year's PWIC - first off, forget about the land-holding requirement. We only used that this year because we needed to narrow down the field as quickly as possible. Also forget about the three and four team battles - they only complicate matters. And of course, most importantly, there will be no PvE in the qualification for next year, so forget the Harpy.


    Remember, this years qualification method was the way it was not because we wanted it to be that way, but because we lacked the time and tools to make it the right way.


    Given the time and tools necessary to truly pick the strongest PvP team (and no offense to Spliff's team at all, as they represented our version very professionally even while having to deal with a multitude of disadvantages), not to mention having a greater familiarity with the rules and process of the Tournament, I really believe that next year will yield a different and better result.

    We would trade all the expansions in the world for proper bug/glitch fixes. While you're there for the love of god make them aware of it. Bugs with cleric skill durations, lunar not being done, warsong still cannot be complete, 1k glitch from delta, disconnecting from game while trying to enter lunar trophy mode and delta...I can go on and as from every single player I can find we would trade the next 2 expansions for you to get **** fully fixed and complete. Should I even mention your horrid fail guild base that you advertised non-stop about 40 v 40 and still don't even have that part in?

    You get the point now make them get it.
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  • DaKillanator - Raging Tide
    DaKillanator - Raging Tide Posts: 2,965 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    frankieraye wrote: »
    We'll be getting the official PWIC arena in our version very soon, so we'll be able to use that, no problem.
    Does this mean we can use the PWIC arena as a PvP arena any time? Like just as a place for people to go when they want to pk any time? Because the theater sucks. I'd rather just have an instance we can fly in that acts as a meeting place for PvP.
    frankieraye wrote: »
    but PvP events are something that we have complete control over.
    Then what's the excuse for not giving use guild base wars yet?
    frankieraye wrote: »
    And of course, most importantly, there will be no PvE in the qualification for next year, so forget the Harpy.
    Very happy to hear that
  • nickkido
    nickkido Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    We would trade all the expansions in the world for proper bug/glitch fixes. While you're there for the love of god make them aware of it. Bugs with cleric skill durations, lunar not being done, warsong still cannot be complete, 1k glitch from delta, disconnecting from game while trying to enter lunar trophy mode and delta...I can go on and as from every single player I can find we would trade the next 2 expansions for you to get **** fully fixed and complete. Should I even mention your horrid fail guild base that you advertised non-stop about 40 v 40 and still don't even have that part in?

    You get the point now make them get it.

    (don't forget about the nice pretty 3rd boss glitch in frost.)
  • Decus - Dreamweaver
    Decus - Dreamweaver Posts: 5,033 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Susamajii - Lost City wrote: »
    The g16 necklace was just a participation prize. Every person that played in the PWIC tournament gets one win or lose. Frankie thinks the g16 necklace isn't even available in game yet and they will have to patch the game ie putting it into the game.

    This vexed me. I thought the prize was a g16 cube neck (which is already in the game and has been acquired by quite a few people)? Is it something else >:o

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  • Susamajii - Lost City
    Susamajii - Lost City Posts: 902 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    This vexed me. I thought the prize was a g16 cube neck (which is already in the game and has been acquired by quite a few people)? Is it something else >:o

    b:question

    Frankie told me he wasn't sure if it was available in game yet because it's a uniform award for all given by China so it is probably from their version of the game which is ahead of ours in content. Most likely it isn't in the game yet, but it could end up being a cube neck who knows.
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  • LilNai - Harshlands
    LilNai - Harshlands Posts: 481 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Susamajii - Lost City wrote: »
    Frankie told me he wasn't sure if it was available in game yet because it's a uniform award for all given by China so it is probably from their version of the game which is ahead of ours in content. Most likely it isn't in the game yet, but it could end up being a cube neck who knows.

    Might be exactly a G16 Cube Neck, but with an insignia on it saying it was won for competing in the event, with a nodrop / trade tag. Maybe even no Account Stash. Much like those Valentines event belts did or similar.

    Which would of course make everyone kind of correct b:cute
  • Cytte - Harshlands
    Cytte - Harshlands Posts: 1,044 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Spliffany - Lost City wrote: »
    - the qualification tourny for PWI included a timed boss fight. So obviously APS classes were important there to be able to win. But in the PWIC tourny APS classes were kinda useless, they were only able to hit 2.22 aps. China's team had mostly magic classes, with their setup there would have been no chance to win the qualifier in PWI. also BMs and Sins had a hard time stun locking magic classes, as the purify addon on magic weapons gave magic classes an huge advantage. things like that should be clear right from the beginning before the team setup has to be made.
    This


    But that's on the management side, other than that GJ, way to go, and way to represent us b:victory b:thanks

    ~Well beat those silly commies next year b:chuckle ~

    b:avoid

    frankieraye wrote: »
    On the tournament: Emily, Matt, and myself spent a lot of time talking about how we can change things for the better for next year. We'll be getting the official PWIC arena in our version very soon, so we'll be able to use that, no problem. Once we get that, then all it will take will be a few logistical hurdles and some GM elbow grease. We depend on the developers for PvE content, but PvP events are something that we have complete control over.
    Hey, If you want a pvp event cordinator, ~ call me b:mischievous ~ I'm currently trying to put one together for my guild....I just wished they visited our forums more often.
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  • nickkido
    nickkido Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Susamajii - Lost City wrote: »
    Frankie told me he wasn't sure if it was available in game yet because it's a uniform award for all given by China so it is probably from their version of the game which is ahead of ours in content. Most likely it isn't in the game yet, but it could end up being a cube neck who knows.

    it's a Bruce Lee outfit.
  • bladerunnerdm
    bladerunnerdm Posts: 145 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    would be useful if everyone get's the default weapon and armor set (which disappears after leaving) in the pvp arena...
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