Accuracy&Evasion

BKxNL - Archosaur wrote: »

Ok I know accuracy and evasion are related, but not exactly how. I know if your accuracy is lower then the opponents evasion, then you are less likely to hit. But does anyone know how much higher you have to be to get hit less then half of the time? Would my evasion have to be more then twice as high? If i had 5000 evasion and the attacker had 3000 accuracy, would they miss or hit more? Anyone? Appreciate any response b:victory

I'm serious when I say this, you should post this in the Archer subforum. They're renowned for having some of the best mathematicians of PWI.b:chuckle

I remember when I first started everyone thought that sins should be pure evasion because the idea was they weren't tanks and they should try to avoid being hit if you want to live......




















Oh, how things have changed. -.-'

ZeaKuro - Raging Tide wrote: »

I remember when I first started everyone thought that sins should be pure evasion because the idea was they weren't tanks and they should try to avoid being hit if you want to live......




Oh, how things have changed. -.-'

I hear you there, 'I can tank, i have aps'
next moment, oh look, a cleric tank -.-'..... fecking annoying in 59, 3 times a day (horay for alts)

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

This is quite an exaggeration. Everyone who didn't start out right at the TB expansion knew that evasion meant jack and **** to magic defence. From the get-go citrines were the main shards, which still stands today, the only difference is endgame people mainly go back and forth between survivability (vit stones/hp/JOSD) to attacks (DOT).

I used the HP shards when I started as well, but a lot of the guides I read early on praised full evasion as the end game build to shoot for.

ZeaKuro - Raging Tide wrote: »

I used the HP shards when I started as well, but a lot of the guides I read early on praised full evasion as the end game build to shoot for.

last year i vsed a full evasion sharded sin, he thought he was pro because of it. lets just say it didn't end well for him

StabbyCakes - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I heard a rumor about a sin that sharded all high evasion. Rumor was you couldn't hit him. Like... everyone missed. Even archers. Idk about the legitimate-ness of the claim but this guy looks like he'd be pretty hard to hit.

Someone with that much money would pick better shards. -.-' If you can +12 daggers you can +2 def or +10 vit shard.

KrittyCat wrote: »

It's a fine build... as long as you intend to only attack physical players/mobs. The only problem with evasion (as has been noted by JanusZeal) is that magic is unable to miss. You could have the evasion capped out, and still the magic would hit you. So while evasion would mean that few physical attack players could connect often, as soon as a wizard or psychic hits you - *SPLAT* - dead fishy.

this was the problem with the full evasion sin i versed. he thought he was god of pvp, in his mind melee users wont touch him and he could and i quote "just stealth, spark and 1 shot robes". Didn't work so well for him against my psychic but did earn me a place on his kos

KrittyCat wrote: »

It's a fine build... as long as you intend to only attack physical players/mobs. The only problem with evasion (as has been noted by JanusZeal) is that magic is unable to miss. You could have the evasion capped out, and still the magic would hit you. So while evasion would mean that few physical attack players could connect often, as soon as a wizard or psychic hits you - *SPLAT* - dead fishy.

Or a full evasion build would run into a Barb, and the Barb would just spam Flesh Ream, which won't miss, and voila, you bleed to death.

LilNai - Harshlands wrote: »

lolfleshream.

Also Tidal Protection / Focused Mind would happily bounce around the magic issue.

~That said, id never go full evasion, due to thaforementioned Magic Classes. However if I get bored I might +10 an Ashura neck and my Rank Belt for PvP. Youd be surprised how pathetic other Assassins Accuracy really is. Ive had my *** saved 100s of times by a missed headhunt popping them out of stealth (Ive also missed at the worst of times Q__Q. Stupid veno was channelling Nova and I missed and got oneshot. )

I have a pair of Misty Forest Rings on my Sin. If I start missing, even twice in a row, I switch one out for the FCC gold ring. If I keep missing more than twice in a row again, I switch the other one out for Misty.

I prefer the FCC/Legendary rings I have, higher refines, more +pdef from them. Misty refuses to refine past +2 for me using anything other than mirages. >_>

Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »

b:angry

*patpat*

The chance to dodge or land a hit is inversely proportional to the chance that failing to dodge/land that hit will get you killed.

There's alot of flaws in this build the main one obviously already being stated that magic never misses.

More so from what I know sins and barbs both have several skills that do not miss. Sins have at least one I can think of Rising Dragon Strike. Barbs have flesh ream, mighty swing, ancestral fury, and demon barbs have stomp of the beast king.

Main point however is that magic does not miss. (a fundamental flaw in this game)

Yeah... I was making an assassin purely for the purposes of experimenting with an evasion build, just to see if it would be workable. Then I ran the numbers. They're pretty dismal.

Even with the best possible evasion build I could come up with (in roughly 15 minutes and going no higher than Amber Gem shards, so there may be better evasion builds), I only got a slightly better than 1 in 3 chance at evading my own clone (9515 evasion = ~34.91% chance to evade a level 105 with 4224 accuracy). This is based on the "Evasion / Accuracy" equation in the wiki.

You can't even get anywhere near 50% evasion, let alone 90%.

Needless to say, I've given up on that assassin.

Sangodoc wrote: »

Yeah... I was making an assassin purely for the purposes of experimenting with an evasion build, just to see if it would be workable. Then I ran the numbers. They're pretty dismal.

Even with the best possible evasion build I could come up with (in roughly 15 minutes and going no higher than Amber Gem shards, so there may be better evasion builds), I only got a slightly better than 1 in 3 chance at evading my own clone (9515 evasion = ~34.91% chance to evade a level 105 with 4224 accuracy). This is based on the "Evasion / Accuracy" equation in the wiki.

You can't even get anywhere near 50% evasion, let alone 90%.

Needless to say, I've given up on that assassin.

You should try out the TT90 gold magic rings in your evasion build heh.

There are actually 5 problems with the evasion build:

1) Evasion formula degrades in effectiveness at higher levels (against equal accuracy).

2) It's very easy to get lots of accuracy. Most high level phys rings come with +50% accuracy. Barbs have a skill that gives like +300% accuracy. BMs get more accuracy per dex than any other class.

3) There is a lack of end game evasion gear. Cube necks only come as phys and mag. Same with warsong belt and jungle belt. The R9 belt gives 700 pdef, 700 mres, but no 700 evasion. There are no rings that can refine for evasion (only neck and belt). The best evasion gear in the game is the TT90 gold magic ring.. wtf?

4) There is only one evasion buff so no evasion buffs are able to stack. Compare to the 3 different buffs for pdef. Archer evasion buff maxes out at 40% while pdef and mres buffs are much stronger.

5) Half the classes ignore evasion. The other half have a handful of skills that will never miss.



The good things for an evasion build:

1) There are 24 slots you can shard for evasion but only 2 slots you can shard for accuracy.

2) Makes it harder for phys classes to stun lock if their stuns are missing.