How Much Would a 95/100 Clean Zeal Cost

DarkShadowz$ - Sanctuary
DarkShadowz$ - Sanctuary Posts: 45 Arc User
edited August 2011 in General Discussion
title Says It All got Lucky and I Decided To Sell This Miracle Genie
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  • MageMERC - Harshlands
    MageMERC - Harshlands Posts: 1,600 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    I put 300+ but I dont know - let us know later what you sold it for.......
  • DarkShadowz$ - Sanctuary
    DarkShadowz$ - Sanctuary Posts: 45 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    will do im currently getting offers and the highest so far is 150 mill and i thought that was a bit low but Im not Sure Therefore Im Asking
  • Aeyisha - Lost City
    Aeyisha - Lost City Posts: 475 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    MageMERC - Harshlands wrote: »
    I put 300+ but I dont know - let us know later what you sold it for.......

    What he said^
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Whatever someone is willing to pay for it?
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  • Sarrafeline - Sanctuary
    Sarrafeline - Sanctuary Posts: 4,661 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Would be better if it was 99/100. There's one of those floating around Sanct, I believe. Or is it 98/100?

    Anywhoo... I'm guessing somewhere close to 100 mil. Someone will want that as a gank genie for TW.
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  • DarkShadowz$ - Sanctuary
    DarkShadowz$ - Sanctuary Posts: 45 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    so far The Highest Offer ive gotten is 150 Million However I want more b:laugh
  • Genghiskhan - Heavens Tear
    Genghiskhan - Heavens Tear Posts: 321 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    On ht, a 97/100 clean zeal went for 725 mil about 4 months ago.
  • DarkShadowz$ - Sanctuary
    DarkShadowz$ - Sanctuary Posts: 45 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    NO WAY YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING ME. if this Baby Sells For 500 Million Ill be Over The Moon
  • AlbireoTwo - Lost City
    AlbireoTwo - Lost City Posts: 2,056 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    The chance of acquiring one is probably a lot less than the chance of getting a SoT from packs, so I'de guess 300+. I'm just not sure if there is any demand for them on your server.
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  • Lythianaa - Dreamweaver
    Lythianaa - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,307 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Wow you're super lucky! I have no idea how much it's worth but good luck selling!
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  • Yaoshi - Raging Tide
    Yaoshi - Raging Tide Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    lol a member in my guild have a 97/100 he buy for 275m
  • DarkShadowz$ - Sanctuary
    DarkShadowz$ - Sanctuary Posts: 45 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    yea i guess i have a rough idea of how much to look for im pretty sure ill be selling at 250m+b:victoryb:victory
  • Zenorx - Harshlands
    Zenorx - Harshlands Posts: 443 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Someone on hl has a 100/100 o.O
  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    AlbireoTwo - Lost City wrote: »
    The chance of acquiring one is probably a lot less than the chance of getting a SoT from packs, so I'de guess 300+. I'm just not sure if there is any demand for them on your server.

    91+ is around 1 in 9.5 million.
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  • DarkShadowz$ - Sanctuary
    DarkShadowz$ - Sanctuary Posts: 45 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    you gotta be kidding me

    1 in 9.5 milion sanctuary doesnt have that many playersb:chuckleb:chuckle
  • RoidAbuse - Sanctuary
    RoidAbuse - Sanctuary Posts: 1,066 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    couple months ago someone was selling a 97/100 genie and the asking price was 300m.
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  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    DarkShadowz$ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    you gotta be kidding me

    1 in 9.5 milion sanctuary doesnt have that many playersb:chuckleb:chuckle

    Lucky Point Distribution
    Lucky Points Odds
    1 24%
    2 16%
    3 15%
    4 2%
    5 1%
    6 1%
    7 1%
    8 6%
    9 15%
    10 19%

    9/10 have to be 10 so 19% each and last one can be 1 which is 24%.

    19% * itself 9 times (we'll say 1/5 for simplicity)

    then 1 point is then * 24% at the end (we'll say 1/4 for simplicity)

    1/5 * 1/5 * 1/5 * 1/5 * 1/5 * 1/5 * 1/5 * 1/5 * 1/5 * 1/4 = 1/7,812,500 (bit off but I rounded up meaning that number should be a little bigger)
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  • DarkShadowz$ - Sanctuary
    DarkShadowz$ - Sanctuary Posts: 45 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Ure a Genius Traz if its so Rare to Get it Should Be Worth a Billion or so or am i Just 2 greedy.

    Roid i Asked On World Chat a couple Of Times and got some pretty ****ty Offers Below 150m+

    Ima keep it for myself if i dont get 200m+
  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    DarkShadowz$ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Ure a Genius Traz if its so Rare to Get it Should Be Worth a Billion or so or am i Just 2 greedy.

    Roid i Asked On World Chat a couple Of Times and got some pretty ****ty Offers Below 150m+

    Ima keep it for myself if i dont get 200m+

    Realistically the number is higher because theoretically you must remove all genies that start 1/10 since (not even I) want to go to 20 and see if I get 10 more for 11/20. You can also take into account any genies that are 21/30 (shaky one there), but 31/40 would probably be the first 1/10 that you might keep going just to see.

    They are simply worth what someone will pay for it. You can't really label a certain amount on it because there aren't enough around to really give the market an idea of what to spend for it. I can tell you that they are by far the hardest thing to get in the game (even warsoul is easier).
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  • DarkShadowz$ - Sanctuary
    DarkShadowz$ - Sanctuary Posts: 45 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Not Sure About other Servers But It Seems to Me That Sanctuary's Economy is Really Poor and Going Down The Drain Like 91+ Genies Sell For Such High Prices In Other Servers Just Like How Someone Said A 97/100 Genie Was Sold for 750 Mill On Another Server and on This Server one of The Older Ones I cant Manage To Get Offers Above 100 Million Something That Really Puzzles me.
  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    DarkShadowz$ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Not Sure About other Servers But It Seems to Me That Sanctuary's Economy is Really Poor and Going Down The Drain Like 91+ Genies Sell For Such High Prices In Other Servers Just Like How Someone Said A 97/100 Genie Was Sold for 750 Mill On Another Server and on This Server one of The Older Ones I cant Manage To Get Offers Above 100 Million Something That Really Puzzles me.

    95/100 sold for 150m on dreamweaver a month ago or so.
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  • Nniotora - Lost City
    Nniotora - Lost City Posts: 446 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    genies dropped in price with frost evey1 has now to much spirit a 92+ on lost city is like 40-50mil so 95 would maybe get you 75mil here there is really no point in saying 4weeks ago or more cuz almost at that same time frost glitch became known to all.This offc made ppl hundreds of millions spirit so its easier to spamm lv genies for higher points
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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    91+ is around 1 in 9.5 million.

    91+ is 1 in 6,521

    You probably aren't accounting properly for permutations. I made a table of this stuff a while back for people who can't deal with combinatorics:


    http://pwi-wiki.perfectworld.com/index.php/Genie_Rarity

    I bought my 93/100 for 75m a while back but 91+ should go for around 150-200m
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  • DarkShadowz$ - Sanctuary
    DarkShadowz$ - Sanctuary Posts: 45 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    i see what you mean. I guess ill try on getting 200 million of not ill aim 150 mill
  • DarkShadowz$ - Sanctuary
    DarkShadowz$ - Sanctuary Posts: 45 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    91+ is 1 in 6,521

    You probably aren't accounting properly for permutations. I made a table of this stuff a while back for people who can't deal with combinatorics:


    http://pwi-wiki.perfectworld.com/index.php/Genie_Rarity

    I bought my 93/100 for 75m a while back but 91+ should go for around 150-200m

    Astrelle If i can Remeber your genie was 91+ did u buy it or make it and if not how much would you sell yours for if you had to?
  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    91+ is 1 in 6,521

    You probably aren't accounting properly for permutations. I made a table of this stuff a while back for people who can't deal with combinatorics:


    http://pwi-wiki.perfectworld.com/index.php/Genie_Rarity

    I bought my 93/100 for 75m a while back but 91+ should go for around 150-200m

    Chart makes no sense to me.
    99/100 is 1 in 1,833,711

    1/5 times itself 9 times and it wont matter 9 lp one is because they are all times together to get the probability.... I need further explanation.
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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    DarkShadowz$ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Astrelle If i can Remeber your genie was 91+ did u buy it or make it and if not how much would you sell yours for if you had to?

    You even quoted the part where I answered your question lol <_<

    I bought mine a long time ago back when very few people would be interested in having a good genie. I would have been willing to pay 100m for it then which is worth like 200m now.

    Really 91+ isn't worth more than that since 200m worth of mirages will get you a 91+.

    Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Chart makes no sense to me. 99/100 is 1 in 1,833,711 that's 1/5 9 times and it doesn't matter where the 9 lp one is they are all times together to get it.... i need further explanation.

    Well to get 100/100 you need:
    10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 = .19^ 10 = 1 : 16.3million

    To get 99/100 is a lot more likely since you can do any of
    10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 9 = .19^9 * .15
    10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 9 10 = .19^9 * .15
    10 10 10 10 10 10 10 9 10 10 = .19^9 * .15
    10 10 10 10 10 10 9 10 10 10 = .19^9 * .15
    10 10 10 10 10 9 10 10 10 10 = .19^9 * .15
    10 10 10 10 9 10 10 10 10 10 = .19^9 * .15
    10 10 10 9 10 10 10 10 10 10 = .19^9 * .15
    10 10 9 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 = .19^9 * .15
    10 9 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 = .19^9 * .15
    9 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 = .19^9 * .15

    There are 10 different ways to do it and each specific way is .15 * .19^9 chance which in total is a 1 in 2.06m chance (this accounts for the 10 different possible ways you can get a 99/100 genie).

    The table actually shows the chance for 99+ which is the chance for 99/100 and the chance for 100/100 which works out to 1 in 1.83m
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  • DarkShadowz$ - Sanctuary
    DarkShadowz$ - Sanctuary Posts: 45 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    i see ty for the advice helped alot ;)
  • StormHydra - Sanctuary
    StormHydra - Sanctuary Posts: 2,221 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    You even quoted the part where I answered your question lol <_<

    I bought mine a long time ago back when very few people would be interested in having a good genie. I would have been willing to pay 100m for it then which is worth like 200m now.

    Really 91+ isn't worth more than that since 200m worth of mirages will get you a 91+.




    Well to get 100/100 you need:
    10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 = .19^ 10 = 1 : 16.3million

    To get 99/100 is a lot more likely since you can do any of
    10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 9 = .19^9 * .15
    10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 9 10 = .19^9 * .15
    10 10 10 10 10 10 10 9 10 10 = .19^9 * .15
    10 10 10 10 10 10 9 10 10 10 = .19^9 * .15
    10 10 10 10 10 9 10 10 10 10 = .19^9 * .15
    10 10 10 10 9 10 10 10 10 10 = .19^9 * .15
    10 10 10 9 10 10 10 10 10 10 = .19^9 * .15
    10 10 9 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 = .19^9 * .15
    10 9 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 = .19^9 * .15
    9 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 = .19^9 * .15

    There are 10 different ways to do it and each is .15 * .19^9 chance which is a 1 in 2.06m chance

    The table actually shows the chance for 99+ which is the chance for 99/100 and the chance for 100/100 which works out to 1 in 1.83m

    typical archers bringing math/s into an unrelated conversation b:surrender
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  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    You even quoted the part where I answered your question lol <_<

    I bought mine a long time ago back when very few people would be interested in having a good genie. I would have been willing to pay 100m for it then which is worth like 200m now.

    Really 91+ isn't worth more than that since 200m worth of mirages will get you a 91+.




    Well to get 100/100 you need:
    10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 = .19^ 10 = 1 : 16.3million

    To get 99/100 you can do any of
    10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 9 = .19^9 * .15
    10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 9 10 = .19^9 * .15
    10 10 10 10 10 10 10 9 10 10 = .19^9 * .15
    10 10 10 10 10 10 9 10 10 10 = .19^9 * .15
    10 10 10 10 10 9 10 10 10 10 = .19^9 * .15
    10 10 10 10 9 10 10 10 10 10 = .19^9 * .15
    10 10 10 9 10 10 10 10 10 10 = .19^9 * .15
    10 10 9 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 = .19^9 * .15
    10 9 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 = .19^9 * .15
    9 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 = .19^9 * .15

    There are 10 different ways to do it and each is .15 * .19^9 chance which is a 1 in 2.06m chance

    The table actually shows the chance for 99+ which is the chance for 99/100 and the chance for 100/100 which works out to 1 in 1.83m

    I understood the logic but I can't realistically apply it to the sample size of genies that were safe to say have been leveled to 100. If there hasn't been over a million per server my name is billy bob thornton. Which by the odds would produce 153 genies a server (just say 100 to be safe). There's no way there are 100 on my server. With all the high level players i've seen for over 3 years I'd be willing to bet there are 15 at most on dreamweaver. Which by safe odds says only 98k genies have been leveled to 100? That just doesn't logically fit into my head as fact.
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