GXs or Pan Gu's ( Again )

Fuzzy never had a problem tanking with gx and personally the panda always preferd them to the Pan-Gu.

Zerk vs. Sheild of Chi is an interesting choice to think about but a barb shouldn't ever worry that they will "kill themselves" because of the zerk add. By the time you are ready to use th gx your hp pool should have increased such so that you will notice no real difference relative to what you see when your calamities proc.

The damage reduction from the Pan-Gu can help when tanking or even in pvp, but is it really worth it when you could be dealing more damage? Fuzzy doesn't think so. When tanking an instance, you have a cleric with you anyway so shouldnt need damage reduction, and for pvp there are so many apoth's you can use to your advantage that again, being able to zerk tends to be more profitable. (Dropping entire squads with a nice ToP + zerk amra combo is always good feeling for any barb.)

The price of the two axes is similar these days if you plan to chip the 2 ADS needed for the GX, considerably less if you farm em from AE.

All things considered, the panda is a bigger fan of gx than pan-gu. b:thanks

I went with the Pan Gu's giant axe myself. I have 2 reasons.

1: Even if you look in the PWI database there is no such weapon as "GX" What you are talking about doesn't exist. I know of Calloused Lionheart Hatchets though.

2: I don't need a weapon that can kill me. I've actually seen people die due to using those axes.

Also, zerk? I do not see such an effect on the weapon in question. The skill I see is "Sacrificial Strike" Are you sure you are on the right forums?

FuzzyWuzz wrote: »

Fuzzy never had a problem tanking with gx and personally the panda always preferd them to the Pan-Gu.

Zerk vs. Sheild of Chi is an interesting choice to think about but a barb shouldn't ever worry that they will "kill themselves" because of the zerk add. By the time you are ready to use th gx your hp pool should have increased such so that you will notice no real difference relative to what you see when your calamities proc.

The damage reduction from the Pan-Gu can help when tanking or even in pvp, but is it really worth it when you could be dealing more damage? Fuzzy doesn't think so. When tanking an instance, you have a cleric with you anyway so shouldnt need damage reduction, and for pvp there are so many apoth's you can use to your advantage that again, being able to zerk tends to be more profitable. (Dropping entire squads with a nice ToP + zerk amra combo is always good feeling for any barb.)

The price of the two axes is similar these days if you plan to chip the 2 ADS needed for the GX, considerably less if you farm em from AE.

All things considered, the panda is a bigger fan of gx than pan-gu. b:thanks

And this barb thinks exactly the opposite. b:laugh

I loved my PGGA and used it from lvl85 until TT99 gold. As a barb I never really worried about dealing dmg in squad until about lvl95...and at that point everyone around me was demon fist this...high refine bow that and hercs and BMs did most of the tanking anyways.

When solo though, I loved the chi-shield proc. With that proc and sunder I rarely ever had to pot.

Malego - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I went with the Pan Gu's giant axe myself. I have 2 reasons.

1: Even if you look in the PWI database there is no such weapon as "GX" What you are talking about doesn't exist. I know of Calloused Lionheart Hatchets though.

2: I don't need a weapon that can kill me. I've actually seen people die due to using those axes.

Also, zerk? I do not see such an effect on the weapon in question. The skill I see is "Sacrificial Strike" Are you sure you are on the right forums?

It wasn't always called Sac Strike, it used to be called Bezerk. GX is the term the axes used to be called as well, so before you decide to act like an *** maybe you should actually do some research. b:bye

Fuzzy should't double post, but anyway...

Mi_Ki - Sanctuary wrote: »

Would using GXs as a sage barb still be effective not only PvE but PvP, or would going demon be better if I were to PvP in the future with them??

DON'T make your sage/demon choice based on a weapon! There are many much better weapons out there than either the gx or pan-gu. By the time you reach 100 there are a ton of other weapons to consider. The Ashura, the drakehunt, the unicorn tragedy, the wheel of warfog, the (b:spit) r8, Djins Waltz, the Monarch etc etc etc... the list goes on. However choosing sage/demon based on using the gx's is a decision you will regret. Trust the panda on that one.

I would pick Calloused Lionheart Hatchets over PGGA (Gx comes from the Malaysian PWI slang term for them, btw). Never have been impressed with PGGA. Their shield has a 10% chance of proccing and doesn't normally proc when you need it because you need to be attacking for it to proc.

Think of it this way: While you are doing a pull you aren't attacking so no chi shield. You stop (start getting hit), beastial, invoke, roar (stilll haven't attacked) and then start your attacks. Not sure how the proc works but it may not go off for several attacks and usually you only get one attack anyways before the mobs are all dead.

You are pulling a cata in TW: How often can you stop and attack for a chi shield?

If you are tanking a boss you'll be spamming attacks, but you'll also have a cleric probably spamming IH on you anyways and a barb should be able to easily survive most bosses 85+ with a cleric there to heal without needing a chi shield.

On the other hand, if you lose aggro tanking that boss you get no heals because you are no longer the tank. Gx can help you keep aggro and keep you getting healed.

Not to mention, doubling the damage of an aoe on 20+ mobs is well worth 5% your hp. Something those 20 mobs would have eaten up anyways. Things die quicker, you take less damage and survive better.

Both axes give vit +14-15, PGGA gives vhp + 205 so PGGA has that going for it.

For PvP you'll want the zerk of Gxs. You can tank attacks all day but it's really difficult to kill your opponent without decent dd and eventually you'll die.

TT90 gold (GX or calloused lionhearts) is a great weapon to have. On one of my toons i did not use PGGA at all. Instead, i went the gatherstorm path... didn't really affect my staying-alive ability...

As far as keeping aggro with gxs is concerned, think the jury's out on that one. Barbs don't keep aggro by dealing damage. But having said that, with gxs u can add to the dmg and play a better role in squad... a well timed zerk (sacrificial strike) crit arma once in awhile never hurts (since u'll have a cleric healing u anyway)

Now, GXs cost more than PGGA and the way things are right now, its not hard to get from 90 to 100 and after 100 GXs lose their shine while you can always resell your PGGA. So economically, PGGA is a definite choice..

EDIT: standard refines for PGGA I guess.. +4 or +5. PGGA aren't meant for dealing damage Meanwhile GXs are great for refines... think I saw one with +11...

I'm actually aware of the terms you used. I've been here since PWI started and played PW-MY before that. (just look at who my main is for proof of that) I just like to harass people who don't use proper/current PWI terms. :P

I have never seen the benefit of an attack that cuts my hp to do more damage. I want to use less pots, not more. Sometimes things happen to the cleric when you are tanking and that shield of chi may save your life while the sacrificial strike may take it.

I honestly feel that GX's are a waste of money. I didn't really like my PGGA, but it got me from 85-100. In a squad, the difference between GX's and pan gu's doesn't really matter. You'll do more dmg with GX's, you'll take less damage with PGGA. The extra damage you do will be minimal, and the reduction in damage will be minimal. The extra damage from GX's won't matter when your team mates can probably do 10x your damage per hit. The only time the GX's shine is in pvp, where the zerk would be very useful. However, these days getting from 90 to 100 will only take a couple days, and wasting 20+ mil just for a couple days seems like a waste to me. You can use a PGGA to get from 85-100, sell it, and get a better weapon.

Hmmm i never had a GX or PGGA as i went the gatherstorm way..... 85-100 took me around 3 months ( i liked to do some quests ). at level 99 i invested in the TT99 axes and never looked back. I really dislike zerk hits due to the 5% hp loss and like what was said if you are in an aoe squad mobs will die so fast ur lucky if u get 1 hit in ( invoke roar bestial... still no attack ) so yeah it all comes down to your playstyle and happy hunting.

Regards
PaYwil