sage or demon and why help please

Huntingforce - Archosaur
Huntingforce - Archosaur Posts: 4 Arc User
edited August 2011 in Barbarian
i`m a babarian pure tiger (tank) bild lvl 87

str 270
vit 116
dex 61
mag 3

and have al tiger form skills on 10

whats the best choice for me and please why do you think so

is it balancing the character white demon to get my hit back or sage to get more

def.

or is my thinking rong and are there more things to look at help please.
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  • IBaMBii - Heavens Tear
    IBaMBii - Heavens Tear Posts: 464 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    what do you what your end game build to be is what matters.. read the 34248449695646473 million guides about barbs.

    b:bye
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Mayared - Archosaur
    Mayared - Archosaur Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    i read the guids but i need help no non repleys what do i need is balancing good or do i need sage to survive

    what your look on it
  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    They're asking what you want to do with your barb.

    If you want to survive you can do that with any culti path, any build. A demon claw barb can have 20k pdef, 25k hp and tank anything in the game so the answer "I want to survive" isn't specific enough.

    Personally, I think if you want to tank in PvE then go demon. If you want to be a catabarb then go sage. If you want to do Delta pulls and World Bosses and don't plan on refining past +3, then go sage too. If you want a barb for farming, go demon claws.
    Seven 100+ characters leveled the hard way. Free to play. Mystic, Psychic, and Wizard left to level. b:victory
  • Dagnatic - Sanctuary
    Dagnatic - Sanctuary Posts: 207 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Ugh, honestly man
    There's a search function for a reason

    but seeming you asked, ill give you my point of view.

    Your best bet is demon, it at the most basic lvl gives you more damage in tiger form, and balances you out a bit.

    on a higher level, if you have the right gear, refine well, you can still pull a cata as a demon barb.
    AND
    then maybe once you hit 95+ or later on down the track, it allows you to get 5aps.

    Now im not saying that you cant go claws with sage, i know of a few 4.0aps barbs and they aren't too bad to say the least.

    So in my opinion Demons your best bet
  • Huntingforce - Archosaur
    Huntingforce - Archosaur Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    sorry if i was to bold on the man but this is what i was looking for poeple that are sage or demon and can tel me what it`s like to be a demon or a sage

    i think that there are more barb that didn`t now about the rifiment the cata barb or delta pulls
    and what do you mean about world bosses.

    it`s true i didn`t read that good i read two giudes at least and they didn`t go in specifics .

    they led it in the middel but it`s the most inportent questen if go come near lvl89

    that`s why i askt you can`t revers it after you shous (sorry for my english).

    that`s why i want es much as possabel info as i can.

    there is a perfect dicription of the demon skills etc in the guid for tiger form i wil trey and get it here if somone hase the same for sage it woud be great and al let me now more.

    oh what has it on white the rifining

    what`s a cata barb

    what are delta pulls
    b:surrender
  • Huntingforce - Archosaur
    Huntingforce - Archosaur Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    sorry had to paste it don`t now how to inport.
    furries if you post it i wil delete this one.


    Furries - Dreamweaver
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    12-11-2009, 09:13 PM
    Endgame

    so your approching lvl 89...

    you have maxed all ur tiger from skills and you have a big choice ahead of you.

    sage or demon...

    to view the differences you can compare the demon and sage skills here

    http://www.ecatomb.net/pwi/skillpwi.php

    Myself and most pure tiger barbs choose to go demon, becuase it will give us what we have been l acking for the past 89 lvls.. DD power. well if you choose demon. congrats. you choose the one i can help you with.

    Demon skills

    demon skills are NOT cheap. neither is ur tt90 gear. so i highly recomand eyeing out of skillbooks and gear before you hit 89.

    what skill books to choose?

    as a tiger barb you will have a bunch of skillbooks to choose from but picking them out isnt alwasy the easiest.

    skillbooks are seprated into 3 sections

    the lvl 89 books (1 mill spirit and coin to learn)
    Note: this does not include price of buying the book
    True From
    besital rage
    Flesh ream
    Alacrity of the beast
    beast kings inspriation
    Shapeshifting Intensity
    Feral regenration

    First and formost you get your True Form skillbook
    for reason unknown to me this is also one the the cheapest skillbooks out there. and on average ranges from 50-250k. If you see the book in auction house for more than that. i recommend waiting fro the price to drop
    this skillboks will computle elemiate your true from damage reduction. and will elt u do full damage in tiger form

    Beast kings inspiration is another EXTREMELY useful skillbook. however unlike True form its is not remotely cheap. And to be honest, if you ever wish to obtain this book ur pretty much stuck paying w/e the person asks for becuase they only show up for sale once or twice a month. so if u see it.. buy it

    shapeshifting intensity is another great skillbook and unless u pay close attention to the site u will miss why.
    while the book only says it gives +2% crit, it will also bring youor def boost in tiger form from 60% to 80%.

    Besital rage is your 3rd important lvl 89 skillbook
    this will change the chi gain per hit from 5 to 8 for the 15 second duration.
    it also doubles the magic damage reduction from 2k to 4k if use when under 50% health for 10 seconds
    by 89 u will likely have over 10k hp and that extra 2k magc abord will be quite noticeable
    but more importantly. the demon version will allow you to gain 3 spark in the amout of hits it previously took you to get 2 sparks.

    Flesh ream. This one im not too sure about. the skill damage over time doubles making it roughly equal to the damage per tick of lvl 10 sunder but now able to used every 2.5 seconds. and stacking that damage espically after a devour will well be a nice damage increase. and while im sure that being able to spam ream more often on bosses will increase hate im not sure exactly how much more hate it gives than lvl 10. the main problem here is lack of chi. with sunder devour and now demon spark eating up alot of chi i have found enough to really use on ream.
    Update: it seems that Demon Ream still isnt enough to hold aggro from DD's using triple Spark, and until this is changed i see no point in Getting this skill as it doesn't allow to to do more than you could with lvl 10 ream

    alacrity of beast.
    this cuts down cooldown by 1 second and increased damage. its nice but not that great of an improvement over lvl 10.

    feral regeneration
    sadly this was 1 skill sage gets all the glory for. while sage will increase ur mana regen by 10 every second. somthing extremly useful. demon just adds 10 more hp per second. at your lvl if you do end up meditation over using pots its ganna be for mana no health. while while i would was as sage this is great. but demon dont really worry about it unless u got cash with nothing to spend it on

    the lvl 92 books

    Devour
    This skill is totally awsome as well as an huge damage increase to the skill itself,
    the defense reduction is increased by 5 seconds to a total of 15. which means you need to cast it a lot less saving you a bunch of chi to keep the debuff always active.
    this is MUST get.

    Axe and Hammer Mastery
    this will increase your physical damage by 15% more to 75% from the 60% of lvl 10
    and it also gives 2% more crit. always a plus. get this when u can afford it

    Posion Fang
    this will increase your wood based damage from 30% to 50% a 20% increase. you will certainly notice this especially vs those bm who use alter marrow physical and earth based mobs


    Note: fully buffed in true form with demon axe mastery, true form and poison fang (I'm ignoring titans for the moment as its a lvl 99 book)
    a demon barb will do +125% (75+50)damage than with over a lvl 88 barb with +40% (60+30-50)

    Surf Impact
    this adds about 600 more base damage, and a 25% chance to freeze for 4 seconds.
    using this skill myself the 25% freeze certainly isn't very reliable, but i was astonished to noticed that the damage increase is Highly noticeable, while this may not be a top priority i definitely recommend it.

    Roar
    the last 92 skill i will be covering i am not 100% sure about.
    Demon roar gives u a 10 second Bramble that returns 100% of physical damage taken during that time.
    that in and of itself is awesome but this skill WILL override a veno's bramble.
    now having obtained this skill i can say a great deal more about its use. While this skill can get cumbersome with a veno in the sqaud having to recast bramble after each use of roar. its benifits far outweigh this inconvenience. The 100% reflect while it dot not work in PK mode will is extremly useful in Duel, Dragon temple, TW and other pk instances. I cannot keep track of the number of times i have been attck by a APS sin and was able to survive and kill them becuase of this skill. i have also noticed that the reflect damage is dependant on thier defense. while while it works wonders on sins, Blademasters are much more difficult. Still this skill is a much get.




    and the lvl 99 books
    Sunder
    this skill is reason enough excluding all other skill to go demon. as well have changing the heal over time to a 4k instant heal
    Demon Sunder makes Ever attack critical for 5 seconds, (including the Sunder itself)
    those 5 seconds are enough time to pull off a surf impact or an Armageddon,
    this skill also allows u to keep aggro much better when aoeing during times such as FC or Delta
    You likely wont find a seller for this skill So plan on either buying pages of fate or doing cube for a long time, 30 pages of fate for 1/4 a chance to get this skill


    Strength of Titains
    Another very important skill book, this will increase ur damage buff from 30 to 40% as well as give a 5% increase to the squad crit ratio for 1 min.
    although as a pure tiger you wont be spamming this skill for the crit buff and likely wont notice it much anyways. The extra 10% damage is Certainly noticeable even with the large range of damage that axes have
    this book costs about 9-12 mill

    Frighten
    the demon version of this skill add a 20% chance to stun the targets for 3 seconds
    While this is very nice addition, 25% is hardly reliable and the slow effect and p attack debuff are not increased in duration or percent. I definitely recommend getting this skill. but Sunder and titans are a higher priority. However this skill is also much cheaper than the previous two, costing around only 3 mill

    Armageddon:
    Truth be told. i haven't even learned lvl 1 Armageddon. so i really have no authority to make any comment on the matter


    Last edited by Furries - Dreamweaver; 06-30-2011 at 05:47 AM. Reason: updated for skills i have now tested