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Susamajii - Lost City wrote: »

No1 likes my thread

The thread wasn't even three hours old. O.o

The build looks fine. It's a nice marriage of HA and R9. Personally, I wouldn't put channel stones into R9, especially if you're going the HA/AA route, but that's your call. If you really want the extra -channel, I'd go to 103 or really play the stats game to drop the CoA ring in favor of the R8 ring, which you'll have anyway. It has the channel, more hp, and the extra crit compensates the slight loss in dex.

As for whether you should do it...only you can answer that. Do you intend to use your veno enough to justify the expense? Do you plan on using your veno for pk or just farming? You really don't need R9 for PvE, so if that's the intended use, it's a waste of funds.

Susamajii - Lost City wrote: »

Who farms on veno anymore? XD No It's purely for PvP and I thought about going to 103 to drop the coa ring as well and get the g15 public quest ring. I like the 8k pdef and 9.4k mdef unbuffed though XD

Some of us still do things the old school way on occasion. :P

But anyway, part of the reason why I suggested the R8 ring is because it benefits both Fox Form and Mage Form in addition to the channel and the higher crit. Your defense will go down some, but really it'll go down regardless of which ring you go to (comparing R8 and both magic/might G15s). If you're really that concerned about the magic defense, you can always grab another piece of arcane gear and swap it in and out as necessary.

Susamajii - Lost City wrote: »

Why would you choose the rank 8 ring over the Cloud Stir? I'm not following.

R8 has:
Phys & Mag attack +125
Channeling -6%
HP +180
Crit +4%

Cloud Stir has:
Mag attack +114
Channeling -6%
Crit +3%
Attack Level +2

I pick the R8 because:
- You have to get it anyway since you're getting R9.
- It adds a decent amount of HP.

Initially, I thought the R8 did more damage, but that was before I remembered about the Attack Level +2 on the G15. I don't have the time nor the desire to do the math on the two, but looking at them again, the attack level probably evens out with the extra crit and the extra attack on the R8. Although that's probably dependent upon your exact gear/attack levels and your opponent's gear/defense levels. It seems the G15 would have the advantage on the Magic Attack side and the R8 on the Physical Attack.

Personally, I like rings that have both Magic Attack and Physical Attack on them, but these are few and far between. Part of that is because I'm already switching in and out different ornaments/weapons and sometimes even armor depending on what I'm doing. I'm also constantly going back and forth from Fox Form. Trying to switch rings before dropping in to Fox and after coming out of Fox is sometimes a hassle.

I actually did farm the physical version PQ3 ring. I already had Lunar magic rings and wanted to have something that was as good or better for Fox Form. But the time and effort it took to farm the ring didn't really feel justified. (This was before the crystals were in packs, btw.) If you already have two very good rings, I don't see the point in farming something that isn't noticeably better.

You can't really go wrong with either, IMO. R8 is just my preference.

Susamajii - Lost City wrote: »

Meh true, but I would choose the G15 one simply because it can be refined and the rank 8 cannot.

True, but nearly every gear decision is a trade off. If you are going simply by refines, you could argue for two G15s and not G15+R9.

I didn't touch on this in the last post, but part of the beauty of the HA-AA build is that if/when you need the extra magic defense, you can still wear a full arcane set. So if the situation arises where you need the m.def, you can simply swap to the R8 chest, for example.

Granted, you would have to spend a fair bit to make it worth the trade. So it's really where you want to allocate your funds.

I'm not recommending to use the R8 top. Just pointing out that there are other options to increasing defense than just the rings.

Wow, someone still interested on venos -sheds tear-

He's got the pair of ornaments for the set-bonus. The posted setup has both channel and interval.

Which is... yeah, I'm not gonna talk about plausibility - you're talking +12 and other near-impossibilities anyway. Maybe channel and interval together is a good combo, I'll never have the coin to waste to test it.

SNuppzH - Harshlands wrote: »

>_> u can afford r9+12 everything..but on privat severb:chuckle

When u play privat server u will understad why use channling top over r9 o.o can not tell it, u must foind it out.

ofc this is pwi..so will not need that info tho well gl w geting ur stuff

I'm not getting that OP gear, it's what I see most arcane classes using.

You are going to play a private server with that build? Aren't most pservers all about instant cast? So non instant cast and crappy defences? You will get 4 shot by most EAs with equivalent gear.

Venomancer's physical attacks aren't that bad with a good weapon. Even for me, with a semi-pure magic build and a rank 8 pataka +7 I can do crits of 13-14k damage. I haven't checked my average DPS though. But I rely on critical rate a lot ( 17% ) and I often spam demon Fox Wallop,too.

Interval would help to attack faster (especially if one is using a pataka that lowers attack rate).

PvE, of course, as I don't PvP. I don't know about the PvP damage I'd deal.

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

PvE, of course, as I don't PvP. I don't know about the PvP damage I'd deal.

And we are speaking about PvP only here, aren't we?

Who farms on veno anymore? XD No It's purely for PvP

BM unbuffed with phys marrow on... nevermind its about phys attack <.<

would love to see how much you would hit a r9 player using physical skills xd something tells me you will hardly scratch him. and also want to see a decent player who wouldn't kite a HA veno if he is about to die of her attack.

Marengo - Lost City wrote: »

And we are speaking about PvP only here, aren't we?

I was giving the example that even as an arcane Venomancer you can still deal a considerable amount of damage which means a HA Venomancer would deal even more which consequently means decent damage in PvP (against arcanes mostly) as well but when it comes to rank 9 people, it doesn't matter, your damage will be low anyway unless you're a rank 9 yourself. And mostly referring to patakas or magic swords here (most suitable weapons for meleee on Venomancers)

This is what I was trying to say but nevermind that.

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

This is what I was trying to say but nevermind that.[/COLOR]

I understood but you really overestimate fox form skills. We are speaking about r9 veno. This means she is about to PvP with equal players - r9 too. And no, she can't do considerable damage on such opponents. And even if she somehows accidentally does, it's a matter of a second to step aside. And r9 is not needed to kill afk ppl or noobs.

negativereaction wrote: »

no joke susa, go as much str as you can and try partial r9 fox veno.

no joke LOL