Server average player got worst?

Paigrande - Harshlands
Paigrande - Harshlands Posts: 777 Arc User
edited August 2011 in Dawnglory (EU)
Hi

Im disappointed with this server lately. It seems like the new players coming in are bad and some of the players that have been playing for ages havent go any better. One year ago I thought the server would change and alot of old players by now would be better at TW and pvp, I was wrong.

With the addition of sins, alot of this players decided to roll sins, cash shop hard to become very op and all of that to avoid improving. I rarely see players coordinating attacks this days, in the past you would often hear ppl in squads or vents saying something like "player xxx debuffed, dragon in 5, got 2 sparks, etc" but it seems like alot of players now only focus on ganking. For most players now, team work is attacking the same target, which is not right, attacking the same target is usually called gank. Ofcourse for team work you need that sometimes, but thats not everything, you need more.

Some guilds in TW dont improve no matter how much TW they do... what do we call ppl that cant learn or even try to learn from their mistakes?

Maybe that is because alot of old players that knew basics of team work and playing their class right quit, but when you are in a world of ****, wiping your *** for 2 seconds makes you stand out more and look good. But you will still be shi.tty along with all others around you, but you wont even notice it until you see someone that is really clean.

Thats the state of harshlands, alot of shi.tty players with sins and op gears thinking they are good when most ppl around them are shi.tty too.

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  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Obviously your average player got worse. I expect nothing else of an environment where you can get to endgame in a month without learning the class and get top gears without having to work in game for them. That, combined with everyone rolling a Sin, a class that's so OP that it just breeds failure, and you have the PW today.

    P.S. I love it when a Sin kills my BM then starts talking trash. I just go "Umm who are you again? You are 100+ with +12 zerk dags (and G12 earth shard ofc) but I've never seen you out of SZ before?
  • VenomousEmo - Harshlands
    VenomousEmo - Harshlands Posts: 860 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    It kinda surprises me tbh how many new players don't even know the basics. I've met so many veno's in FC (lol really? How can people not know what to do in FC) that either didn't bramble or didn't know what bramble was, no idea what it ment by "chi pls", never amp'd the boss cuz they didn't know what amp was or didn't have it, and my favorite;
    Me- "Where's your pet?"
    Them- "I don't have one."
    Not like I'm the master of venos, but come on lol. I still learn new shet even after 2+ years of playing a veno, but those are just the basics and I still see people not even doing those. Even long time venos that still believe they are a major DD in TW just cuz they have r9, and will launch themselves into a group to 'one shot' people? Venos =/= Major DD. Plus there are still BMs our there that use phy marrow in TW or fist fully buffed cata barbs with bramble, clerics that DD more than healing in TW, and sins thinking they are pro by triple spark and IGing.
    Then TW wise, it's always the same thing. 3-4 factions will have good TWs for a while because all are on equal levels, while the servers strongest faction gets crystal rushes and the fault is theirs. Then the "ohhh you guiz should disband" excuse comes up, even after they've done that. So when the same factions either sit on the map for weeks earning income while doing nothing, while others are actually having good TWs, the strongest faction, who no one wants to attack, will get the blame.
    It's a constant cycle, and nothing will change. New players will come, adding onto the server lag even more, and Catalyst will be QQ'd at weekly for being too OP, and how we should split even more. Guess we'll just need to split our active 50 into 2 so it'd be fair for the server, right?

    Sigh.
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  • Crescendia - Harshlands
    Crescendia - Harshlands Posts: 805 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    this is why I joined kylin on my alt. at least I die in those TWs b:laugh
    Originally Posted by Curses - Harshlands

    Sidenote: hilarious name for a boat: "Yeah Buoy".

    b:laughb:laugh
  • VonTerror - Lost City
    VonTerror - Lost City Posts: 224 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    And what exactly is surprising? New players speed up to 100 without playing open world and learning there class in all situations. PvP for them is standing at west and getting one shot, instead of fighting for spots throughout the lvl grind from 1-100 and learning what to use in which situation. You don't call 4 guildies to work together and take people out at butterflies anymore, you call your r9 sin at silver pool to beat someone there. Team mechanics in dungeons are all but lost, get a few sins or high lvls or whatnot and bang you finished your dungeon, instead of how to tank/dd without stealing aggro, heal the right person, when to bb, debuffs etc. You now buy gear instead of earn it. How can you possibly be surprised that the new players are not good.
    b:bye
  • Burnout - Harshlands
    Burnout - Harshlands Posts: 2,585 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Actually, new players are bad b/c they're just kids in high school dicking around looking for a free game to play. They might log in every few days to mess around, then go back to playing other games.

    Also, poorer people tend to play free games more often than pay-to-play games, and the poor also tend to have lower IQ than the rich. Thus lower average skill.

    It's the truth b:victory
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  • VonTerror - Lost City
    VonTerror - Lost City Posts: 224 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    And i am not saying you guys are surprised, i just meant it is expected. Also there are not that many new players to begin with
    b:bye
  • Tryagain - Harshlands
    Tryagain - Harshlands Posts: 716 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    what I don't understand is how people new to this game find the game fun. How can it possibly be fun to go afk in FC for 2 weeks straight and come back to being level 101?

    Sure it's nice after you've leveled multiple characters the real way, and are sick of it. But the first time? Play the damn game.
  • VonTerror - Lost City
    VonTerror - Lost City Posts: 224 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    With who? I'd quit if i had to do 1-100 alone. If i took one of my alts and went to play in the swamp, i could go a week without even seeing another toon. That is no fun. It's powerlevel or leave now
    b:bye
  • Ligeia - Harshlands
    Ligeia - Harshlands Posts: 1,144 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    I don't understand why they don't just close FC. As it is, you can level from 1-100 on a dozen or so sets of hyper stones (less if you have high level friends who will power level you). Remove hypers from token rewards and close FC and they'll make tons of money every time someone hits 100. Maybe people will even rediscover zhen parties and the game will be less dead, so it'd be a win for PWE and the players.
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  • Jamesford - Harshlands
    Jamesford - Harshlands Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Ligeia - Harshlands wrote: »
    I don't understand why they don't just close FC. As it is, you can level from 1-100 on a dozen or so sets of hyper stones (less if you have high level friends who will power level you). Remove hypers from token rewards and close FC and they'll make tons of money every time someone hits 100. Maybe people will even rediscover zhen parties and the game will be less dead, so it'd be a win for PWE and the players.

    +1 god the game would be great again
  • negativereaction
    negativereaction Posts: 238 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    this seems like a good thread to dredge up this treasure from our faction forums again:

    http://i52.tinypic.com/b8l9uo.png (takes some time to load)

    while the players who've been here for a week and fit this description are good for a laugh, perhaps most amusing of all are the players who fit this description without realizing it, and genuinely don't remember a PWI before BH, FC, or Nirvana - at least a couple of whom have already posted in this thread.
  • Dralighte - Harshlands
    Dralighte - Harshlands Posts: 1,540 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    you forgot to include catshops
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  • negativereaction
    negativereaction Posts: 238 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Dralighte - Harshlands wrote: »
    you forgot to include catshops

    catshops are included in the west arch "hotspot" for buying endgame shards, unless you mean the new r9 player should be catshop merchanting. i don't think most of them know where to find the button to set one up.
  • Dralighte - Harshlands
    Dralighte - Harshlands Posts: 1,540 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    negativereaction wrote: »
    catshops are included in the west arch "hotspot" for buying endgame shards, unless you mean the new r9 player should be catshop merchanting. i don't think most of them know where to find the button to set one up.

    Mhmm, you have right o:
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  • Vorbane - Harshlands
    Vorbane - Harshlands Posts: 125 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    negativereaction wrote: »
    this seems like a good thread to dredge up this treasure from our faction forums again:

    http://i52.tinypic.com/b8l9uo.png (takes some time to load)

    while the players who've been here for a week and fit this description are good for a laugh, perhaps most amusing of all are the players who fit this description without realizing it, and genuinely don't remember a PWI before BH, FC, or Nirvana - at least a couple of whom have already posted in this thread.

    I lol'd then died a little inside because it was in the same template of a map Image/Icon posted when HL started to depict the best grinding spots and where hotspots would be b:cry
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  • negativereaction
    negativereaction Posts: 238 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Vorbane - Harshlands wrote: »
    I lol'd then died a little inside because it was in the same template of a map Image/Icon posted when HL started to depict the best grinding spots and where hotspots would be b:cry

    hey now, it's a big map, newly christened r9s are bound to get lost without it.
  • Crescendia - Harshlands
    Crescendia - Harshlands Posts: 805 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    negativereaction wrote: »
    this seems like a good thread to dredge up this treasure from our faction forums again:

    http://i52.tinypic.com/b8l9uo.png (takes some time to load)

    while the players who've been here for a week and fit this description are good for a laugh, perhaps most amusing of all are the players who fit this description without realizing it, and genuinely don't remember a PWI before BH, FC, or Nirvana - at least a couple of whom have already posted in this thread.

    lol! that's pretty funny xD
    Originally Posted by Curses - Harshlands

    Sidenote: hilarious name for a boat: "Yeah Buoy".

    b:laughb:laugh
  • negativereaction
    negativereaction Posts: 238 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Crescendia - Harshlands wrote: »
    lol! that's pretty funny xD

    it was my own creation with the exception of adding spots for Oracle IIs and Nirvana - i got the ideas for those on vent to make it a nice round 10 steps. personally i think those could be omitted, new r9s don't have time for reading extraneous steps b:surrender
  • tfi3f
    tfi3f Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    VenomousEmo - Harshlands wrote: »
    It kinda surprises me tbh how many new players don't even know the basics. I've met so many veno's in FC (lol really? How can people not know what to do in FC) that either didn't bramble or didn't know what bramble was, no idea what it ment by "chi pls", never amp'd the boss cuz they didn't know what amp was or didn't have it, and my favorite;
    Me- "Where's your pet?"
    Them- "I don't have one."
    Not like I'm the master of venos, but come on lol. I still learn new shet even after 2+ years of playing a veno, but those are just the basics and I still see people not even doing those. Even long time venos that still believe they are a major DD in TW just cuz they have r9, and will launch themselves into a group to 'one shot' people? Venos =/= Major DD.

    I dunno how credible this is, cos if a veno really is that fail, I'd be embarrassed, frankly.
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  • Martin - Harshlands
    Martin - Harshlands Posts: 207 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Vorbane - Harshlands wrote: »
    I lol'd then died a little inside because it was in the same template of a map Image/Icon posted when HL started to depict the best grinding spots and where hotspots would be b:cry

    I miss you flying green dinosaurs (forget their name), wolves, spiders, bats,butterflies,fish's, mermaids, and that zhen spot near sanctuary, o lets not forget world quest!

    All of the above probably sounds like gibberish to most, but for those who know what I am talking about, the reason I miss those is not spending countless hours **** my mp charm. It was all the random pvp that was created by these. There were hotspots for pvp but most of the time it could happen just about anywhere.

    I enjoyed your rank9 guide, I gotta admit I was very very tempted to get rank9. But when I see posts like this, I laugh and forget about this game and only remember the "good old days"

    Thanks b:victory
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  • negativereaction
    negativereaction Posts: 238 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    you're welcome.
  • Starr - Harshlands
    Starr - Harshlands Posts: 331 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    i think the reason so many players are so awful is that they never learned how to play. when you level your character without Frost, BH, Hypers, and w/e else people are using atm, you learn what to do to survive. when it took an actual party to complete things, you learned how to work as a team and know your class.

    now i think you can level to 100 in less than a week? you can spend some irl money and get the stuff server starters had to actually work for. great for them but they lost out on the part of running 5000 HH's that teaches you how to play.

    idk that is just imo. i only pick up nv keys and dont seem to be affected by the horribleness of some newer players. b:victory
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  • _Severn_ - Harshlands
    _Severn_ - Harshlands Posts: 20 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    dont forget all the people that lvled to fast and do not lvl there skills, clerics with lvl 1 rez, barbs with lvl 1 flesh ream etc. A lot of the new players the rush lvl, just go for the pk skills, why make a barb and learn to tank, when i can buy fc head and power level to 100.

    and there the people that get babied and have lvl 100s run all there bhs, for them, and when they finally reach lvl 100 themselfs doing it the semi old way, they have no idea how to function in a squad, far to many times i went into a fc with a newbie that didnt know what the hell they were doing, cleric not purifying on the bubble boss, bms not DG'n, and once a damn barb though alpha male was the same as invoke, and my favorite, people that doent realise that there there skills they using are AoE's and are killing their parties and then blame the seeker thats afk auto attacking for aoe'n
  • Yogaxpto - Dreamweaver
    Yogaxpto - Dreamweaver Posts: 273 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    negativereaction wrote: »
    this seems like a good thread to dredge up this treasure from our faction forums again:

    http://i52.tinypic.com/b8l9uo.png (takes some time to load)

    while the players who've been here for a week and fit this description are good for a laugh, perhaps most amusing of all are the players who fit this description without realizing it, and genuinely don't remember a PWI before BH, FC, or Nirvana - at least a couple of whom have already posted in this thread.
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  • Paigrande - Harshlands
    Paigrande - Harshlands Posts: 777 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Yes, considering how easy it became to get to the end game and how the amount of the "necessary" pvp decreased radically, its expected that players wont be as good. But what surprises me is not exactly how bad some of the new ones are, but its how some of the old ones (by old I also mean players that have been playing this game for 6 months), cant learn with their mistakes and get better not just at playing their classes but mainly at playing in groups and TW.

    Its not like this game is so hard, this is actually a very simple game to play and all you need most of the times is common sense. Ofcourse some players like to mess around too much and dont really care about dying here and there as long as they are having fun, but I see alot of players that act like they are actually good just cuz of gear advantage or cuz they play sins, this message was mostly directed to them.

    This message was also directed to some TW guilds that cannot improve no matter how many TWs they do. Leading TW can actually be a very simple task too, the strategies and decisions you have to make in order to give a decent fight arent complicated either, especially when the TW battlefield is always the same...
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  • faildom
    faildom Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    http://fake-gaming.net/

    about 2 more weeks till fpw reopens, real pvp happens here, i invite all of you to show ur skills here :)
  • Burnout - Harshlands
    Burnout - Harshlands Posts: 2,585 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    This is kind of a stupid topic, tbh. There is no skill in this game, period. It's just self-bias thinking somehow you're better than someone else even though you're both pressing the same 2-3 buttons.

    It's kinda like all the "moderately" attractive women who lament on their blogs (that has like 2 followers) about how there's no good men anymore and no one see's what a beautiful and unique flower she is and how men are slowly getting worse.

    I'm the exception, though. I'm the only person who's noticeably more knowledgeable/better than anyone else on these forums, so read this post carefully and think over what I have just said, then keep thinking, then have a massive world-changing epiphany once you understand what I just posted.


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  • negativereaction
    negativereaction Posts: 238 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Starr - Harshlands wrote: »
    they lost out on the part of running 5000 HH's that teaches you how to play.

    see now, those 5000 HH's were back when the game was skewed the other direction. pwi has never had a tremendous balance... it shifted pretty quickly from a protracted grindfest into a cash-for-instant-levels setup, skipping the golden balance in between.

    not that this is necessarily good or bad, i still enjoy playing it. but as much as the pwi of several years ago promoted more teamwork and class awareness, it had its share of problems too.
  • Embustero - Harshlands
    Embustero - Harshlands Posts: 58 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    I remember when everyone used to QQ about nix bleed and how OP it was.
  • negativereaction
    negativereaction Posts: 238 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Embustero - Harshlands wrote: »
    I remember when everyone used to QQ about nix bleed and how OP it was.

    yeah, back when tw consisted of trying to see how many of your opponents' 40 level 90+ nixes you could tank with your endgame hh90 +2 / g7 shards, while getting purged every other second.

    not knocking those days, they were fun.

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